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Vickie says:You inspired me to examine the word cloud. It brings about a better picture with the word air, which means spirit.. Thanks. Here it is.
Cloud strong's ref # 3507 nephele a diminutive of nephos 3509 Eccl. 11:4 the pillar of a cloud in the desert which accompanied supernatural appearances and events in connection with Christ, at his transfiguation, a luminous cloud.Strong's ref # 3509 A cloudy, shapeless mass covering the sky. We will be gathered to him in this luminous cloud.Vickie says:I love what you brought to my attention with the word air. I never gave too much research to rising in the "Air" to meet Christ for I know we are here on earth and never leave it as far as all I have read. Thanks for that pearl!
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Vickie says: John 14:1 In my Father's house are many rooms. House is NOT HEAVEN. Greek: oikias Strg. Ref # 3624(I) in the NT oikia is used for an actual HOUSE. (II) It came to figuratively mean family, householdIn John 14:2, which states that, "In my Father's house are many mansions, [mansions is monai, which is a resting place]In 2 Cor 5:1 the metaphorical oikia tou' skenours, "the house of this tabernacle denotes the CORRUPTIBLE BODY. After a careful study of "house" that belongs to the Father it is NOT HEAVEN. This may have reference to individual being the places that the Father dwells in, Us we are the abode of the spirit of God, the temple that the Spirit dwells in. No longer a physical building made by Human Hands. Acts 17:24-25.
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Vickie says:No where is the Rev 9:1 That is not an accurate statement. Let's be factual in this. Revelation 9:3 says: "Out of the smoke "LOCUST" came down upon the earth and were given power like scorpions to sting men, who
DO NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD ON THERE FOREHEADS. This is not Satan from out of the Abyss but just Locust let lose by God's angel. These Locust will look just like they are described and they will do just what it says: Sting men for 5 months who do not have the seal of God on them.
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vickie says:Satan has given his powers and throne and authority to the Son of Perdition for one hour, or call it 1260 days. Revelation 17:11-14,
For ONE HOUR (1260 days) The ten horns are ten kings who have not YET received a KINGDOM, this is because they are to receive Satan's Kingdom for this ONE HOUR, which the 8th King ( Son of Perdition) receives the thrones as Revelation 13:2 confirms. This is the kingdom being formed upon this earth right now and will be bringing forth the 8th King, this Son of Perdition that will make himself known to the earth's people soon. Then the fulfillment of 2 Thess. 2:3 will be fulfilled. We will have a great falling away occur. This is why the Roman empire theory does not hold water, for this kingdom belongs to Satan and is given to these 10 kings for one hour, just as Rev 17:12 says. The is why the earth will be so wicked. For those who worship the beast will be of Satan and filled with demons. We will be subjected to this demonic array of people that won't worship God and still won't repent.For their house is not filled with the Spirit of God, but with the spirit of Demons. A clear picture of why they still won't repent Revelaion 9:20 The rest of mankind that were NOT KILLED by these plagues "STILL DID NOT REPENT" of the work of their hands. "THEY DID NOT STOP WORSHIPING DEMONS." (Pretty clear isn't it?)
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Vickie says: Isaiah 27:6-9 In days to come Jacob will take ROOT, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with FRUIT, (in the millennium) Has the Lord Struck her as he struck down those who struck her? Has she been killed as those were killed who killed her? By warfare and exile you contend with her--with his fierce blast he drives her out, as on a day the east wind blows. By this, THEN WILL JACOB'S GUILT BE ATONED FOR.
THIS WILL BE THE FULL FRUITAGE OF THE REMOVAL OF HIS SINTheir guilt for their evilness and denying the Lord has to be atoned for by warfare. This is one of the reasons why warfare comes upon the Seeds of Jacob as Zechariah 14:2 proclaims will come on them in the Last Days and is now in process. I have enjoyed conversing with you in this area. We are all learning more quickly as we all have had our eyes darkened by the teachings in the churches, but our Lord is faithful and we are coming out of the shroud that has so easily enfolded the earth's people. Isa 25:7Even if we should not come to complete agreement, let us continue in love and the hope of our Christ that is coming and we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye to serve our great King who has Loved us from the beginning. amen.
Jordan says:I'm going going to go on some points here. As 1. I am going to highlight some things here. And ask you one question.1. Where do you think our Father is? Our God?QUOTE
vickie says: Well, first of all God dwells in those who are his, me and you, not in temples made by hands. Acts 17:24 and I Cor 3:16. God is omnipotent.
Jordan says: John 14:1 -
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.John 14:2 -
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.QUOTE
vickie says:We are God's HOUSE which has many rooms. We are these individual rooms. Christ has gone to prepare a place forthe household of God, that he will come back and receive us. This is where I stand on these verses, as the other verseshave convinced me. So, this may sound strange to your ears. For in God's house consist of the Israelites and Christians, which are many people, we are these rooms in the House of God.
Jordan says: John 14:3 -
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. QUOTE
vickie says: Yes, Jesus is coming to fulfill these words, his receiving us, that we will be with him in the fullness and completeness with him. To receive eternal life here on earth and to live in Jerusalem with him over us forever.
Jordan says: From my understanding... we know that in scriptures that we will not leave Earth at all... so since I know God is in Heaven... Heaven is coming down to Earth.QUOTE
Vickie says: The New heavens and new earth are the reconstruction of the old earth that has been destroyed through the earth quakes that shake the cities down and the heavens being rolled back at his coming is just another way of saying a new earth will be rebuilt never to be destroyed again. The heavens too have been destroyed as Isaiah speaks it below.Isa 24:18 last part: The floodgates of the heavens are opened, the foundations of the earth shake. Isa 24:19-22 The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is thoroughly shaken. The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind: so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. In that DAY the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the kings on the earth below. They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon: they will be shut up in prison and be punished after many days. The moon will be abashed and the sun will be ashamed.
Jason says: 2. How do you get to your idea that the star (Revelation 9:1) is not Satan?The locusts are Satan's angels in Revelation 9. As we know, Satan and his angels are not allow to kill anyone. (Revelation 9:5, 9:10) Their aim to kill them by their lies... their deception. QUOTE
vickie says: The trumpets are beginning to come forth as Rev 9:6 points out. These are from God, not Satan. The first angel sounded his trumpet and hail and fire mixed with blood comes down. A third of the earth is burned up. Then the 2nd Angel sounds his trumpet and a 1/3 of the sea turns to blood, and so on, each angel has brought this by God's command. The Locust is sent by the command of God also from the trumpet sound of the 5th angel. This is why I know it is from God and it is not SATAN.
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Vickie says: The Saints are handed over to the beast (Daniel 7:25 for times time and a half, which is 1260 days while he is in the temple.Rev 13:2 says the beast is given the throne of Satan, his power and authority he has been given for 1260 day while in the temple. The beast is a comes from the 10 kings that haven't received this kingdom yet for one hour they are allowed by God to hold the powers of Satan, administered through this beast and his false prophet for the time alloted called one hour, 1260 days or times time and a half time. It all fits into the time element they are allowed to hold it and reign. This is the kingdom coming upon the earth that makes the earth's people wicked and full of demons. This is what we will be subjected to during our allotted time till Christ comes and removes him.
Jason says: Also note what Christina said in her quote in which I'm going to quote in.Matthew 18:20 -
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.Let's say that Vickie, Christina, and I are gathered in His name... Are we not a Body of Christ? So what I'm getting at is, the Cloud means the Body. Same goes with the Sea.
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Vickie says: Matt 18:15-20 is speaking about restoring a brother, discipline and prayer, reproving another, all Christ is speaking is how the body of believers are to gather, behave, and handle matters between them. He was establishing that in these verses. The Cloud can mean many things depending on the verse it is being used in. Cloud — The Hebrew so rendered means “a covering,” because clouds cover the sky. The word is used as a symbol of the Divine presence, as indicating the splendour of that glory which it conceals (Ex. 16:10; 33:9; Num. 11:25; 12:5; Job 22:14; Ps. 18:11). A “cloud without rain” is a proverbial saying, denoting a man who does not keep his promise (Prov. 16:15; Isa. 18:4; 25:5; Jude 1:12). A cloud is the figure of that which is transitory (Job 30:15; Hos. 6:4). A bright cloud is the symbolical seat of the Divine presence (Ex.29:42, 43; 1 Kings 8:10; 2 Chr. 5:14; Ezek. 43:4), and was called the Shechinah (q.v.). Jehovah came down upon Sinai in a cloud (Ex. 19:9) You will have to explain more to me in what you are asking on this last question I kinda lost it...sorry.
In Christ's precious words Vickie