The two LOVE commands vs. the DECALOGUE (Ten Commands)

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THE TWO LOVE COMMANDS VS THE DECALOGUE (TEN COMMANDS)


The argument is frequently made that the two love commands just restate the ten commands, as if they are equivalent to each.other.


This is not so.


The first obvious difference is there are no days commanded to be kept in the two love commands.


But the most glaring difference between them isn’t readily apparent, but is a huge difference indeed.


So let’s compare them.


If you keep the two love commands you keep some of the ten commands, but in reality the two love commands far exceed the ten.


The ten commands - as they pertain to our relationship with other people - are negative commands: they only limit BAD behavior, by telling us what harm we CANT do to others - yet they don’t promote ANY positive acts of good will or good behavior towards your neighbor.


And they were kept not out of love, but kept out of fear of punishment - they had the death penalty by stoning, for breaking them.


And there’s not one drop of love for your neighbor found in the Decalogue.


Whereas in comparison, the two love commands are positive commands, instead of negative.


If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won’t kill him, steal from him, or lie against him, etc, and therefore in effect keep 6 of ten.


But when you love your neighbor as yourself, you’ll go far beyond a mere six negative commands, that only tell you what harm you CAN’T do to your neighbor.


You won’t gossip about him for just one example - and there’s no command that says thou shalt not gossip about your neighbor.


In fact you won’t do ANY of the things that would do some kind of harm to your neighbor, which far exceeds a mere 6 limitations.


Jesus didn’t say, “love does none of the 6 things to harm your neighbor prohibited by the ten commands, thus love fulfills the law”.


He said instead, that love does NO HARM to your neighbor, so love fulfills the law.


Get the difference?


The two love commands go far beyond the ten commands in how well you treat your fellow man - instead of limiting any harm you’d do to your neighbor to six, if you love him you won’t do ANY HARM to him in any way, shape or form.


And the two love commands also go far beyond not doing any kind of harm to your neighbor: if you love him as yourself - besides NOT harming him - you will HELP him in every kind of way.


If you love your neighbor you’ll mow his lawn when he breaks his leg,or feed him and his wife when he’s out of work and the pantry’s empty, for just two examples.


If you’re just keeping the Decalogue, you can do things harmful to him NOT prohibited by the 6 limitations in it, and ignore any dire needs he has - yet still pat yourself on the back for keeping the Ten commands to a tee.


That’s why the two love commands are far superior to the very limited and negative ten commands, and they’re kept for a very different motive than fear of being stoned to death under the law.


Thus you really can’t equate the ten commands to the two love commands, nor claim that the two merely restate the ten - when in reality they are far different - as different as night and day.
 

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THE TWO LOVE COMMANDS VS THE DECALOGUE (TEN COMMANDS)


The argument is frequently made that the two love commands just restate the ten commands, as if they are equivalent to each.other.


This is not so.


The first obvious difference is there are no days commanded to be kept in the two love commands.


But the most glaring difference between them isn’t readily apparent, but is a huge difference indeed.


So let’s compare them.


If you keep the two love commands you keep some of the ten commands, but in reality the two love commands far exceed the ten.


The ten commands - as they pertain to our relationship with other people - are negative commands: they only limit BAD behavior, by telling us what harm we CANT do to others - yet they don’t promote ANY positive acts of good will or good behavior towards your neighbor.


And they were kept not out of love, but kept out of fear of punishment - they had the death penalty by stoning, for breaking them.


And there’s not one drop of love for your neighbor found in the Decalogue.


Whereas in comparison, the two love commands are positive commands, instead of negative.


If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won’t kill him, steal from him, or lie against him, etc, and therefore in effect keep 6 of ten.


But when you love your neighbor as yourself, you’ll go far beyond a mere six negative commands, that only tell you what harm you CAN’T do to your neighbor.


You won’t gossip about him for just one example - and there’s no command that says thou shalt not gossip about your neighbor.


In fact you won’t do ANY of the things that would do some kind of harm to your neighbor, which far exceeds a mere 6 limitations.


Jesus didn’t say, “love does none of the 6 things to harm your neighbor prohibited by the ten commands, thus love fulfills the law”.


He said instead, that love does NO HARM to your neighbor, so love fulfills the law.


Get the difference?


The two love commands go far beyond the ten commands in how well you treat your fellow man - instead of limiting any harm you’d do to your neighbor to six, if you love him you won’t do ANY HARM to him in any way, shape or form.


And the two love commands also go far beyond not doing any kind of harm to your neighbor: if you love him as yourself - besides NOT harming him - you will HELP him in every kind of way.


If you love your neighbor you’ll mow his lawn when he breaks his leg,or feed him and his wife when he’s out of work and the pantry’s empty, for just two examples.


If you’re just keeping the Decalogue, you can do things harmful to him NOT prohibited by the 6 limitations in it, and ignore any dire needs he has - yet still pat yourself on the back for keeping the Ten commands to a tee.


That’s why the two love commands are far superior to the very limited and negative ten commands, and they’re kept for a very different motive than fear of being stoned to death under the law.


Thus you really can’t equate the ten commands to the two love commands, nor claim that the two merely restate the ten - when in reality they are far different - as different as night and day.
THE TWO LOVE COMMANDS VS THE DECALOGUE (TEN COMMANDS)


The argument is frequently made that the two love commands just restate the ten commands, as if they are equivalent to each.other.


This is not so.


The first obvious difference is there are no days commanded to be kept in the two love commands.


But the most glaring difference between them isn’t readily apparent, but is a huge difference indeed.


So let’s compare them.


If you keep the two love commands you keep some of the ten commands, but in reality the two love commands far exceed the ten.


The ten commands - as they pertain to our relationship with other people - are negative commands: they only limit BAD behavior, by telling us what harm we CANT do to others - yet they don’t promote ANY positive acts of good will or good behavior towards your neighbor.


And they were kept not out of love, but kept out of fear of punishment - they had the death penalty by stoning, for breaking them.


And there’s not one drop of love for your neighbor found in the Decalogue.


Whereas in comparison, the two love commands are positive commands, instead of negative.


If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won’t kill him, steal from him, or lie against him, etc, and therefore in effect keep 6 of ten.


But when you love your neighbor as yourself, you’ll go far beyond a mere six negative commands, that only tell you what harm you CAN’T do to your neighbor.


You won’t gossip about him for just one example - and there’s no command that says thou shalt not gossip about your neighbor.


In fact you won’t do ANY of the things that would do some kind of harm to your neighbor, which far exceeds a mere 6 limitations.


Jesus didn’t say, “love does none of the 6 things to harm your neighbor prohibited by the ten commands, thus love fulfills the law”.


He said instead, that love does NO HARM to your neighbor, so love fulfills the law.


Get the difference?


The two love commands go far beyond the ten commands in how well you treat your fellow man - instead of limiting any harm you’d do to your neighbor to six, if you love him you won’t do ANY HARM to him in any way, shape or form.


And the two love commands also go far beyond not doing any kind of harm to your neighbor: if you love him as yourself - besides NOT harming him - you will HELP him in every kind of way.


If you love your neighbor you’ll mow his lawn when he breaks his leg,or feed him and his wife when he’s out of work and the pantry’s empty, for just two examples.


If you’re just keeping the Decalogue, you can do things harmful to him NOT prohibited by the 6 limitations in it, and ignore any dire needs he has - yet still pat yourself on the back for keeping the Ten commands to a tee.


That’s why the two love commands are far superior to the very limited and negative ten commands, and they’re kept for a very different motive than fear of being stoned to death under the law.


Thus you really can’t equate the ten commands to the two love commands, nor claim that the two merely restate the ten - when in reality they are far different - as different as night and day.
The ten commands - as they pertain to our relationship with other people - are negative commands: they only limit BAD behavior, by telling us what harm we CANT do to others - yet they don’t promote ANY positive acts of good will or good behavior towards your neighbor.

Excellent point.

Paul sums them up as the law of a carnal commandment (Heb 7:16): that law was weak in that it could only command the flesh to obey outwardly, within power to change nor give faith inwardly. They were all concluded as ministering death and condemnation (2 Cor 3:7.9).

Scripture shows that while such law was good and holy and righteous altogether, they were not sufficient to redeem and forgive, but only condemn and judge guilty.

I would add that the greatest commandments were also in the Scriptures of the Old Covenant, but not written in stone as law. They were written as prophetic pleading from God akin to being circumcised in heart and not just in flesh:

O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! (Deut 5:29)

And so, the commandments are not new, but the means to keep them are changed, from that of stone to the heart through Jesus' cross.
 

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You don't obey the Sabbath COMMANDS! How many have you executed for working weekends? NONE! I don't think you really want to be under the Law of Moses.
We are not under a Mosaic sabbath.
We are now under the Lords day sabbath.
The word used in Hebrews4 :9 is a word that means...the keeping of a sabbath.
The 10 commandments are still in effect....but now under Christ.
Look at Hebrews 3:1-6...moses was faithful I. His house[ot] but Christ over the whole house[nt.]
 

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We are not under a Mosaic sabbath.
We are now under the Lords day sabbath.
The word used in Hebrews4 :9 is a word that means...the keeping of a sabbath.
The 10 commandments are still in effect....but now under Christ.
Look at Hebrews 3:1-6...moses was faithful I. His house[ot] but Christ over the whole house[nt.]
Your signature says you think nk the ten commands are still in effect under Jesus.

You might want to read 2 Corinthians 3 and see if you still hold that opinion.

Maranatha
 

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Your signature says you think nk the ten commands are still in effect under Jesus.

You might want to read 2 Corinthians 3 and see if you still hold that opinion.

Maranatha
The 10 commandments are all still in effect.
The ot.under Moses has passed.The nt.under Christ is here.
Which of the ten Commandments do you believe you can violate?
 

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We are not under a Mosaic sabbath.
We are now under the Lords day sabbath.
The word used in Hebrews4 :9 is a word that means...the keeping of a sabbath.
The 10 commandments are still in effect....but now under Christ.
Look at Hebrews 3:1-6...moses was faithful I. His house[ot] but Christ over the whole house[nt.]
Sabbath rest does not mean we are to obey Moses and kill those who work on weekends.
 

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We are not under a Mosaic sabbath.
We are now under the Lords day sabbath.
The word used in Hebrews4 :9 is a word that means...the keeping of a sabbath.
The 10 commandments are still in effect....but now under Christ.
Look at Hebrews 3:1-6...moses was faithful I. His house[ot] but Christ over the whole house[nt.]
We are now under the Lords day sabbath

You are now under your own day Sabbath.

One strict translation of a word from which we get Rest or Sabbath does not a doctrine make.

if Sabbath keeping were still law of God for His New Covenant, he would state it plainly as He did for others such as, 'Do not kill, and thou shalt not commit adultery'. (James 2:11)

God does not hide or sneak in His commandments and law, especially not by way of an obscure translation of a little known word.

And yet His openly plain word on the matter, you reject:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. (Col 2)

The magical art of clinging to false doctrine is only magical in that it is beyond common sense, and the art of it is that of a mindless impression.

Keep your Sabbath all you want. Don't preach your Sabbath on others.
 

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Your signature says you think nk the ten commands are still in effect under Jesus.

You might want to read 2 Corinthians 3 and see if you still hold that opinion.

Maranatha
They have. And they still don't care. Scripture will never get in the way of them that hold to special rules and commands of their own, by which they separate themselves from the average sheep to be really specially 'of God' in their own minds.
 

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They have. And they still don't care. Scripture will never get in the way of them that hold to special rules and commands of their own, by which they separate themselves from the average sheep to be really specially 'of God' in their own minds.

I see it as more of the same error the early church had, leading to the entire letter to the Galatians being written to make clear the church is not under the old covenant- calling the mount Sinai covenant bondage and slavery in Galatians 4:21-31.

Shalom Aleichem
 

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We are now under the Lords day sabbath

You are now under your own day Sabbath.

One strict translation of a word from which we get Rest or Sabbath does not a doctrine make.

if Sabbath keeping were still law of God for His New Covenant, he would state it plainly as He did for others such as, 'Do not kill, and thou shalt not commit adultery'. (James 2:11)

God does not hide or sneak in His commandments and law, especially not by way of an obscure translation of a little known word.

And yet His openly plain word on the matter, you reject:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. (Col 2)

The magical art of clinging to false doctrine is only magical in that it is beyond common sense, and the art of it is that of a mindless impression.

Keep your Sabbath all you want. Don't preach your Sabbath on others.
If you want to disobey God, go ahead.
The Fact is sabbatimos means the keeping of a sabbath rest.
The sabbath was made for man.
you pervert the verse from Romans speaking of new moons, and ceremonial feast days.Those parts of the ceremonial
law, have been fulfilled in Christ.
 

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Holding to a Sabbath command because of the root word being used in the New Testament, that is normally translated as 'Rest', would be the same as declaring that our gathering together as Christians is a synagogue, because James used it's root word for our assembly:

For if there come unto your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment.

There remaineth therefore a sabbatismo to the people of God.

It's not assembly but synagogue! Nor is it rest, but Sabbath!

Right. And it's not 'First day' of the week either:

Upon the Sabbatismo of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Sabbatismo is use three times in the new covenant, and one of them is to forbid judging one another according to Sabbatismo days, which would be necessary if Sabbatismo day is a command in the new covenant to keep.

And so, it is either a command to keep, and Col 2:16 contradicts it, or it is not a command to keep and Col 2:16 forbids it to be one.

Those who add to God's Word their own commandments of men will always have to contradict Scripture, or tangle it in an unrecognizable and confusing mess.