The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

[Douggg]

You by Ezekiel 39 have not proved me incorrect. But have disregarded a key to all truth--of the keys to the kingdom.

Then explain what the feast on the dead bodies is in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Compare it to Revelation 19:17-18.

 

[Davidpt]

Perhaps in the SDA mindset. Are you SDA ?

My guess would be, more likely JW rather than SDA.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Then explain what the feast on the dead bodies is in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Compare it to Revelation 19:17-18.

oh my ,,,,we are going to need to get more birds

 

[ScottA]

Then explain what the feast on the dead bodies is in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Compare it to Revelation 19:17-18.

They speak of the same: The end of the flesh.

 

[Douggg]

They speak of the same: The end of the flesh.

The deaths of who ? Armies of the kings of the earth who will gather to make war on Jesus, right ?

Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

 

[ScottA]

The deaths of who ? Armies of the kings of the earth who will gather to make war on Jesus, right ?

Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Jesus's mantle covers all of time--yes fighting against Jesus, but from beginning to end including all of time. This is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, after which these things were [merely] revealed during the times of this world "here a little there a little". Wherein all flesh is devoured, returning to the dust and with the elements of this world, destroyed, and the spirit to God who gave it.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus's mantle covers all of time--yes fighting against Jesus, but from beginning to end including all of time.

No, Scott, the feast on the dead bodies in Ezekiel 39:17-20 and Revelation 19:17-18 is specifically speaking about the armies gathered at Armageddon in Revelation 16:14-16 at the end of the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

Your thinking that the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 has been fulfilled is incorrect.

 

[ScottA]

No, Scott, the feast on the dead bodies in Ezekiel 39:17-20 and Revelation 19:17-18 is specifically speaking about the armies gathered at Armageddon in Revelation 16:14-16 at the end of the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

Your thinking that the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 has been fulfilled is incorrect.

I have not been telling you what I "think." This is not a discussion. I was correcting you. Under authority.

 

[quietthinker]

The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago​

....or are they past, present, continuous ?

 

[Douggg]

I have not been telling you what I "think." This is not a discussion. I was correcting you. Under authority.

Scott, you are not addressing Ezekiel 39. You are not correcting me by ignoring what it says about the feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 being the Armageddon feast to take place at Jesus's return at the end of 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9.

All of the 15 time of the end time frames given in the bible fit within that 7 years, as shown on my chart below.

 

[soberxp]

No, the end of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 is the day that Jesus returns. We don't the specific year, month, day at this time.

When the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant right after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39, then it will be 7 years later that Jesus will return.

The Antichrist will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle specified by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, by making a big speech to the nation of Israel from the temple mount.




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No, The end time indicated here is the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ, not the second coming.

Messiah cut off on the cross,
The second coming not about something cut off.

And Ezekiel was all about Israel, which had nothing to do with the Gentiles, so it could not have been about the Second Coming.

 

[Davy]

Since so many believe that the Two Witnesses are still future, I will share another viewpoint that actually fits Scripture.

A good verse to begin with is Revelation 12:1:



The woman represents the carrier of the 'seed of the woman' that began in the Garden of Eden. In the context of Revelation 12:1, the woman carrying the seed at that particular moment in time was Sarah, who gives birth to Isaac. Similarly, the 'manchild' represents the carrier of Abraham's seed on the father's side.

Years pass and now the seed of the woman, through genealogy of the Israelites, flees into the wilderness of the Exodus. For 1260 years, the seed is nourished until Jesus is born. The Tabernacle in the Wilderness begins the 1260 years:



The 'place prepared' is the body of Jesus, i.e., the Tabernacle:



Again, the Israelites took care of their Messiah, baby Jesus, for 1260 years. At the same time, the Two Witnesses begin to testify. From Moses to John the Baptist, the Two Witnesses testify for 1260 years until the birth of Jesus:



All of the verses match up perfectly.

Here is a basic timeline:

• Woman on moon flees to the wilderness, i.e., the Exodus.
• Moses builds the Tabernacle in the Wilderness on day/year 1.
• The Seed of the Woman on moon is nourished for 1260 days/years until Jesus is born.
• At the same time, the Two Witnesses testify from Moses to John the Baptist for1260 days/years.
• Jesus is born on day/year 1260.
• Jesus begins ministry on day/year 1290, thirty years later.
• On day/year 1290, the Two Witnesses are killed. This would be the beginning of week 70.
• 3-1/2 days/years later, in the middle of the week, the Crucifixion takes place (Messiah is cut off).
• The Two Witnesses are raised. A great earthquake occurs.
• On day/year 1335, 45 years later, Jerusalem is destroyed.

And there you have it. The Two Witnesses already did their thing thousands of years ago.

PS: To those of you who believe you are one of the Two Witnesses, I am sorry to tell you... it aint you kid.

The above interpretation isn't really worth the electronic ink it is printed on.

The symbolic "woman" of Rev.12:1 represents Israel. Those symbols of the "sun", "moon", "twelve stars" were first given back in Genesis 37 involving the dream Joseph was given about his father and mother (sun and moon), and his eleven brethren ("twelve stars" = 12 tribes of Israel). Thus that first verse of Rev.12 is easy to know it is starting off with a description about Israel.

The "man child" of Rev.12:5 that symbolic "woman" brought forth is about Lord Jesus Christ. His future birth was the main purpose for the Seed of the Woman shown back in Genesis 3:15.

Each subject and object in that Revelation 12 Chapter has a connected prophecy first given back in The Old Testament Books. And that definitely includes the idea of the FINAL symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 representing the very END of this world with the coming of the Antichrist, and with the latter half 1260 days representing the actual time of "great tribulation".

The OP is the kind of stuff that happens with those who don't actually read their Bible, but instead play Russian Roulette with it.

 

[ScottA]

Scott, you are not addressing Ezekiel 39. You are not correcting me by ignoring what it says about the feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 being the Armageddon feast to take place at Jesus's return at the end of 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9.

All of the 15 time of the end time frames given in the bible fit within that 7 years, as shown on my chart below.


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On the contrary--I did address Ezekiel 39 and Armageddon, etc., but you apparently did not receive it, or even comprehend what I said. Which is because, as you have indicated, you believe in some other doctrine than was given by God since the beginning, regarding the seven year prophecy as meaning years rather than "times" as they were first defined. God does not change, but the words--all language--even those from Daniel and John, is confused and does change...and you believed according to the confusion. If those prophecies that you now hold to from Daniel and John were not under confusion, "all truth" would not have been yet to come.

Therefore, the Spirit of Truth, comes as a spirit of correction.

So, you have a choice to make: To consider every word from God, or hold fast to that confused part which the foretold "false teachers" agree with.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scott, the issue is not the significance of the number "7". But whether or not the events of Daniel 9:27 have been fulfilled or are still future.

Persons who believe in a partial or complete fulfillment of Daniel 9:27, I ask them to explain Ezekiel 39. Which they cannot because Ezekiel 39 proves their view regarding Daniel 9:27 to be incorrect.

Where is there any reference to a covenant being confirmed in Ezekiel 39? Nowhere. There is no direct connection between Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39 as you imagine.

 

[Douggg]

Where is there any reference to a covenant being confirmed in Ezekiel 39? Nowhere. There is no direct connection between Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39 as you imagine.

Are there seven years in Daniel 9:27 ? Are there seven years in Ezekiel 39:9 ?

Is there a feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 that is the same feast as in Revelation 19:17-18 ?

 

[Douggg]

On the contrary--I did address Ezekiel 39 and Armageddon, etc.,

Then show your time line chart of Ezekiel 39.

 

[Douggg]

Which is because, as you have indicated, you believe in some other doctrine than was given by God since the beginning, regarding the seven year prophecy as meaning years rather than "times" as they were first defined.

There are three passages in the bible which the word "time(s)" is used to reflect years.

time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14.
time, times, half time - Daniel 7:25
time, times, half time - Daniel 12:7

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are there seven years in Daniel 9:27 ? Are there seven years in Ezekiel 39:9 ?

Yeah, so? Where is there any indication of the confirming of a covenant in Ezekiel 39? How is it that you relate those two verses just based on that one detail of seven years, but you can't recognize that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 describes the same event as Matthew 24:30-31 (Mark 13:26-27) despite them both referring to the second coming of Christ and believers being gathered from heaven and earth when He comes?

 

[ScottA]

Then show your time line chart of Ezekiel 39.

My answer (as "all truth") includes no timeline, because with God--matters of God--have no timeline.

If you want to continue in the confusion of times applied to matters of God, you certainly can and are welcome to do so, but you will be missing the foretold promise of being led unto all truth--which is totally spiritual and of God (as He is spirit) and not according to the times or terms of this world. Alternatively, if one prefers to remain and continue with the terms of this world, there will be no "all truth" revealed, because that means refusing to be led (unto all truth). These are the biblical terms.

Having said all that, there is nothing wrong with having a discussion about the times of this world. That is just not what I have to bring to the discussion, nor would it be edifying for me to do so against what God has appointed to me.

 

[ScottA]

There are three passages in the bible which the word "time(s)" is used to reflect years.

time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14.
time, times, half time - Daniel 7:25
time, times, half time - Daniel 12:7

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You missed a BIG one:

Gen 1:5​

And H7121➔ God H430 called ➔H7121 the light H216 Day, H3117 and the darkness H2822 he called H7121 Night. H3915 And H1961➔ the evening H6153 and H1961 the morning H1242 were ➔H1961 the H3117➔ first H259 day. ➔H3117​

Gen 4:3​

And H1961➔ in process H7093 of time H3117 ​