The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago
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Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Are you sure about that? According to my Bible, the blood of Abel and all who were slain are inside of the harlot.
And what do you mean spilled? That is not where the story ends. The blood was drunk by someone. Who drank the blood?
All means all. I take it you don't believe your Bible? You must not if you don't believe the verse is literal.
In who was the blood found? Have you done proper exegesis on this? Mystery Babylon drank the blood. But how and when did she do it?
If Mystery Babylon drank the blood of all who were slain, then obviously her history goes all the way back to the first person who was ever slain. Do you know who that was? Do you know who drank their blood? Did you bother to look?
Well @David in NJ and everyone else reading this? What do you have to say now? Obviously Jerusalem did not drink the blood of Abel.
IT WAS EARTH WHO DRANK THE BLOOD. Your theology has been debunked.
But of course since none of you believe your Bibles, this will fall on deaf ears. Therefore, in case someone with critical thinking skills reads this in the future, here is an added bonus verse:
Does the verse above say Jerusalem? Nope. Who drank the blood? Who has the blood inside of her? HER SLAIN? Hello? Anyone?
EARTH!
How many times do I have to show you folks the verses? Again, the heart of the EARTH is where the blood is. <- Please wake up and put the Word of God in your brains!
One more try...
- New Earth is Sarah
- This Earth is Hagar/Mystery Babylon
The city is where the blood goes. Get it? Life is in the blood? The city is the 'heart of the earth' where babies are made:
You people need to put ALL of the Bible together, not just cherry pick a verse and call it a day. Learn how to do proper exegesis.
Again, the city is where the blood goes after Mystery Babylon drinks it. Some dude named Jesus said so. Ever heard of him?
From whom did the first shedding of blood come from?
Righteous Abel
Yeah, Earth, i.e., Mystery Babylon, drank his blood. All of you on this forum have failed, and time is running out. No Revival for you.
Class dismissed.
Davy
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I strongly... disagree; the soul is a distinct part of our created makeup, the modern Psychology name for it would be our 'Id', our person, the individual. And it is... made up of substance, just not a flesh substance.
And in Matthew 10:28 like I referenced, Jesus told us to NOT FEAR those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul, but to fear Him (The Father) Who can destroy both body (spirit body) and soul in the future "lake of fire" (hell = geena there). That reveals our soul and spirit are attached together and are of Spirit.
Our "spirit" is about our spiritual body we also have attached right now to our flesh via the "silver cord" of Ecclesiastes 12:5-7. Thus we have TWO bodies while alive on earth, one is our flesh body, and the other is our spirit body that dwells inside our flesh, yet is not flesh, but is of Spirit, a different dimension.
While alive in the flesh here on earth, our spirit with soul is attached to our flesh body by the "silver cord", an invisible cord that apparently is some substance of that other dimension of the heavenly. At flesh death that silver cord is severed, thus loosing our spirit body with soul. And our soul (person) is manifested then in the heavenly dimension with that spirit body.
Whether here on earth in this earthly dimension, or in the heavenly dimension, our SOUL must have a VEHICLE to manifest with. On earth it is with a flesh vehicle. In the heavenly it is with a spirit body vehicle.
There is a big... difference about those two types of vehicles also. The spirit body of the heavenly dimension CAN manifest here on earth WITHOUT the need of a flesh vehicle. That is how Christ appeared to the Old Testament saints before He was born through woman's womb, and it is also how angels appear on earth without the need of flesh.
And like Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15...
1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV
quietthinker
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I think these views are a fantasy; an incorrect understanding of words and their purpose. It's like the word 'death'. This word is deliberately distorted to mean a transition to an afterlife of some sort.....while the fantasy goes on.
Davy
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Well, if you hold to the old Jew's tradition of Genesis 2:7 about the idea of what a "living soul" is, which is apparent their old fleshy tradition is what you hold to, then of course you'd never agree to what The New Testament actually teaches about the soul. And The New Testament Scriptures are what my explanation was going by, except for Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 which is Old Testament.
But here's another Bible witness of what I have shown, in The Old Testament...
1 Kings 17:17-22
17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.
18 And she said unto Elijah, "What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son?"
19 And he said unto her, "Give me thy son." And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
20 And he cried unto the LORD, and said, "O LORD my God, hast Thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?"
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, "O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again."
22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
KJV
That right there is revealing that the literal 'soul'... of the child LEFT and RETURNED back into his flesh body.
The Jew's tradition of a "living soul" that you are following instead says the 'soul' does not exist at all by itself, but is only a CONDITION of the breath existing with the flesh body.
And in Matthew 10:28, Jesus showed those who can kill the flesh, cannot kill the 'soul'. That also means soul existence WITHOUT flesh, and agrees with the above 1 Kings 17 Scripture.
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quietthinker
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Davy, you can do your dance this way or that way, it doesn't change the fact that the idea of man's immortality has come from the heathen playbook.
Davy
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Who's dancing? I only showed you what The Scriptures teach. It's up to you to either receive what is written or reject it, so don't TRY to put your SCRIPTURE REJECTIONS on me.
David in NJ
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Nice post but the Holy Scriptures will CLEAR this all UP
Getting some shut eye now and work tomorrow = maybe tomorrow night i can respond
SHALOM my Brother in Christ and Good Night
quietthinker
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You have overlayed heathen concepts onto the scripture and because you do not want to acknowledge that fact you say I am rejecting scripture.
Your position is like a counterfeiter insisting their counterfeit productions are the genuine article.
David in NJ
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i just noticed this and you gave me a good lol
Class will resume tomorrow when i get back, so for now, keep reading and praying for understanding in the Holy Scriptures.
Just like i do.......
quietthinker
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It very well is...and you can be certain, these concepts absorbed and justified will render you defenceless in the day of trial.
Indeed, the day of trial will take on a face unrecognised.
quietthinker
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All of us will at some stage face or will face temptations tailored to our reality at different times and circumstances. If one is aligned with error, the ability to even recognise the temptation let alone resist it will be at a distinct disadvantage.
Jesus' story of the sheep and the goats illustrates this. The goats were totally oblivious that the way they related to 'the least of these' was even a temptation or out of order. In their reality they thought they were suitable subjects for the Kingdom. They had ingested doctrines, teachings and views which informed their responses/ behaviour/ relationships.
Davy
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Where did I ever... claim that flesh man is immortal?
You need to STOP TRYING TO PUT YOUR STUPID WORDS in other people's mouths.
Look at quietthinker's words above, NO EVIDENCE AT ALL TO BACK UP HIS PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST ME. His doing that is a mark of a CHARLATAN, A DECEIVER, A LIAR.
Davy
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YES BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS...
Those on false JEWISH TRADITIONS about God's creation of Adam per Genesis 2:7 is one of the origins of the false 'Dead in the Ground' theory. How?
The Jew's (and many Christian brethren deceived by them) believe that the 'soul' is a CONDITION that results from the 'breath' inhabiting the flesh body. In other words, they do NOT... believe the 'soul' is entity, like a person, but only like a 'force' that animates the flesh body. They believe it is actually part of the material body, and can only live if the flesh body is alive.
That means they believe the 'soul' is part of material flesh, and dies along with our flesh body. And that is how they interpret Paul with the idea of 'Soul Sleep'. It means the 'soul' is dead with the material flesh, per their twisted view.
Yet when Lord Jesus in Matthew 10:28 said for us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, but NOT our 'soul', by that Jesus showed that our 'soul' part is entity, i.e., our person, and it does NOT die when our flesh body dies. The latter part of that verse Jesus told us Who we should fear, that being The Father Who can destroy both body (spiritual body) and... soul in geena (put for the future "lake of fire").
Thus quietthinker is angry because I punched so many HOLES in the false Jewish tradition that he holds called 'Soul Sleep'.
Ain't NONE of our loved ones in Christ literally asleep in the casket in the grave. The asleep metaphor is just a euphemism, a nice way to say those in Christ have died, because those in Christ never actually die, like Jesus said, but shall not come into condemnation, but pass from death to life (John 5:24).
Those on false JEWISH TRADITIONS about God's creation of Adam per Genesis 2:7 is one of the origins of the false 'Dead in the Ground' theory. How?
The Jew's (and many Christian brethren deceived by them) believe that the 'soul' is a CONDITION that results from the 'breath' inhabiting the flesh body. In other words, they do NOT... believe the 'soul' is entity, like a person, but only like a 'force' that animates the flesh body. They believe it is actually part of the material body, and can only live if the flesh body is alive.
That means they believe the 'soul' is part of material flesh, and dies along with our flesh body. And that is how they interpret Paul with the idea of 'Soul Sleep'. It means the 'soul' is dead with the material flesh, per their twisted view.
Yet when Lord Jesus in Matthew 10:28 said for us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, but NOT our 'soul', by that Jesus showed that our 'soul' part is entity, i.e., our person, and it does NOT die when our flesh body dies. The latter part of that verse Jesus told us Who we should fear, that being The Father Who can destroy both body (spiritual body) and... soul in geena (put for the future "lake of fire").
Thus quietthinker is angry because I punched so many HOLES in the false Jewish tradition that he holds called 'Soul Sleep'.
Ain't NONE of our loved ones in Christ literally asleep in the casket in the grave. The asleep metaphor is just a euphemism, a nice way to say those in Christ have died, because those in Christ never actually die, like Jesus said, but shall not come into condemnation, but pass from death to life (John 5:24).
Davy
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Right. The actual HEATHEN CONCEPT about the Soul is what the Orthodox Jew's believe with wrongly assigning the Soul as being a part of one's flesh body. So when the flesh dies, the soul dies along with it, that is a PAGAN HEATHEN concept, and is NOT written in God's Word.
David in NJ
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#1 - Jerusalem ABOVE is not in the lowest parts of the earth.
#2 - Revelation is CLEAR = Jerusalem on earth is the location of spiritual Sodom and Egypt
#3 - The earth that contains the blood of the saints is worldwide and is under the sway of
Mystery Babylon which now covers the earth.
#4 - Therefore the Capital City of the earth is modern day Jerusalem/Israel.
#5 - This is where the Final Deception takes place that will bring about the Wrath of God
and will cover all who are in agreement(MoB) with Her = Matthew ch24 & 2 Thess ch2
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