The UK, The Modern Day Sodom!

[Truman]

The Lord led me to a five-day retreat that teaches, "The Divine Plumbline," by Dr. Bruce Thompson, "Root And Fruit Of Pride," by Floyd McClung, and, "Release From The Curse," and, "Basics Of Deliverance," both by Derek Prince.
Seminar founder Howard Ellis adds from his wealth of experience.
This is just what I know, the goal here is to heal and free God's people, not promote any one ministry.
I'm sure that there are other ministries around that offer variations.
I've heard of ones with different formats, such as attending a group one night a week.
There may be on-line ministries.
This is the ministry I have dealt with. They are on Face Book and have a wealth of free videos by their founder, Howard Ellis.

 

[Grailhunter]

On reflection I am not sure you can detach countries and fighting evil from Christians being within the Kingdom and fighting. T

The whole thing is God in the big picture.

( so you conveying that The USA is the only place that is capable of fighting evil, is stating that Christians in the USA are the only ones who have that ability - or at least that is how I interpreted your words, maybe you meant something else x )

The USA has the power and the ability and in the past the will to oppose evil and support Israel. None of that is likely to happen under the Biden administration and future communist administrations in the US. They have control of the voting systems and the courts so Republican presidents will be a thing of the past.

I am not bothered about you being personal, you were questioning whether I had heard the right message, so I responded.

Well it is good to know that you got the right message...so I am going to assume---you know what that does...so you are not OSAS?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I think we have had are own share in TV’s and Movies that fit into that grouping though !!! Lol

I agree, but the scale of what comes out of the US, is huge by comparison.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

While that is currently true I was talking about the origin and steering of the media empire. Yes they have embraced European culture now which is evident from the fact that many of the stars have residences in Europe. Yes the media empire is currently steering the USA towards a sexual immoral and violently engulfed future. But I think it began in Europe with the media empire traveling to Europe and following liberal cues. I remember US visitors to France reporting that there was porn on their TV's that children could be exposed to. In fact in France, they just outlawed sex with minors, so it took them this long? (‘Children Are Off-Limits’: France on Course to Set 15 as Age of Consent).

We have never been "Europe", as the Lord made sure of this by the English Channel. England, and not Europe, was once the hub of Evangelical Christianity, which was taken from here to the ends of the earth. Indeed, the USA owes its very founding on English Puritans, who took the True Bible Faith there when they founded your country.

 

[dev553344]

I should point out that much of the media empire is currently run buy UK influence: (Rupert Murdoch: Australians sign petition calling for probe of billionaire's media empire - CNN)

The petition to parliament was launched by former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd a little over three weeks ago and closed on Wednesday. It calls for a Royal Commission — Australia's highest form of public inquiry — to "investigate threats to media diversity." It also accused media businesses of encouraging "deliberately polarizing and politically manipulated news."

Not trying to make an attack against the UK, I'm just trying to establish the facts for the OP's debatable topic. I can also list the entertainers that live in the UK Celebrities' homes in Europe.

Celebrities' homes in Europe

• Madonna. The famous pop diva Madonna collects London real estate. ...
• Guy Ritchie. Madonna's ex-husband, a famous film director Guy Ritchie owes a mansion in London which costs £6 million (€7.1 million). ...
• Stephen Fry. ...
• Lars von Trier. ...
• Sting. ...
• Orlando Bloom. ...
• Jude Law. ...
• Tina Turner.

Well certainly there is evil in the USA leading us into Sodom and Egypt style governing authority. Some might point out that we're already there, and they're probably right. I think the city that is spiritually Sodom and Egypt is already here in both the UK and USA. But that's my opinion.

 

[dev553344]

We have never been "Europe", as the Lord made sure of this by the English Channel. England, and not Europe, was once the hub of Evangelical Christianity, which was taken from here to the ends of the earth. Indeed, the USA owes its very founding on English Puritans, who took the True Bible Faith there when they founded your country.

The USA owes it's founding to English Puritans? That statement is very common and something that is false. These "English Puritans" were traitors to England and would have been put to death for crimes against England probably. They would have been denied English citizen rights, so your claim is probably mute.

They formed a new government and country and disassociated with England. Which is evident from the war that ensued. And it's also true that the English government finally came around to a more democratic form of government which allowed the USA and England to embrace a new friendship.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

The USA owes it's founding to English Puritans? That statement is very common and something that is false. These "English Puritans" were traitors to England and would have been put to death for crimes against England probably. They would have been denied English citizen rights, so your claim is probably mute.

God dispersed the English Puritans, who left England because of persecution, and went to Europe, from where they Lord had them move to America, and the very first settlement, is JamesTown, which is the birth of the USA!. We gave the US true Christian Faith, not the false relegion of the Roman Catholic church, which was sweeping Europe. Thank the Good Lord for this!

 

[dev553344]

God dispersed the English Puritans, who left England because of persecution, and went to Europe, from where they Lord had them move to America, and the very first settlement, is JamesTown, which is the birth of the USA!. We gave the US true Christian Faith, not the false relegion of the Roman Catholic church, which was sweeping Europe. Thank the Good Lord for this!

If that's your faith, it's not mine though. So OK. Mine originated in the US of A.

 

[Rita]

The whole thing is God in the big picture.




Well it is good to know that you got the right message...so I am going to assume---you know what that does...so you are not OSAS?

Why would you make that kind of assumption, please explain further so that I know exactly what you are saying.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

If that's your faith, it's not mine though. So OK.

so you would not consider yourself a born-again, Bible-believing Evangelical Christian?

 

[dev553344]

so you would not consider yourself a born-again, Bible-believing Evangelical Christian?

No, I'm either Roman Catholic or LDS Mormon. I'm still trying to decide. I like how the Roman Catholic Church stays on topic with the bible, but I don't like it's ideas about the Eucharist. I also don't like how it doesn't allow authority to it's members. Mormon religion is more like the USA government in that we vote our church leaders into office and actively serve in the governing body. I like the Mormon belief that revelation and prophecy are still active. And Mormons have baptism, laying on of hands, an active priesthood where they are all preachers and allow their members to preach the gospel. Something I enjoyed for a time. I actually got to serve in the church.

Probably off topic, but I had a vision of heavenly Father and heavenly Mother so I think my religion must embrace this heavenly Mother concept. And I'm not sure if that heavenly mother was a sign of the Church or the virgin Mary or an actual Heavenly Mother.

So yeah I'm a little bit on either side of the fence at the moment.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

heavenly Mother

this is impossible!

 

[dev553344]

this is impossible!

Interesting you should say that and I want to stay on topic for the OP, I'll just add this:

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." ... "For with God nothing shall be impossible." Luke 1:37

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Interesting you should say that and I want to stay on topic for the OP, I'll just add this:

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." ... "For with God nothing shall be impossible." Luke 1:37

there is no Bible evidence suggesting that Mary did not die, or can be seen in heaven!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Interesting you should say that and I want to stay on topic for the OP, I'll just add this:

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." ... "For with God nothing shall be impossible." Luke 1:37

Astarte (See ASHTORETH.) (Jer 7:18; Jer 44:17-25). Wife of Baal or Moloch, "king of heaven." The male and female pair symbolized nature's generative powers, from whence prostitution was practiced in her worship. The worshippers stoutly refused to give up her worship, attributing their recent deprival of plenty to discontinuing her service, and their former plenty to her service. God makes fools' present prosperity their doom (Pro 1:32) and does good to His people in their latter end (Deu 8:16). In Jer 44:19 Maurer translated "did we form her image." Crescent-shaped cakes were offered to the moon. Beltis, the female of Bel or Baal, was the Babylonian "queen of heaven." Ishtar the Babylonian Venus (in the Sardanapalus inscriptions) was also "the mistress of heaven and earth." Babylon, Israel's instrument of sin, was in righteous retribution made Israel's punishment (Jer 2:19).

 

[dev553344]

there is no Bible evidence suggesting that Mary did not die, or can be seen in heaven!

If you need bible evidence for everything then you would love to embrace the Amish society that doesn't use latter day revelations of science and medicine, etc. We just had a debate about Christians using marijuana. Mormons have embraced revelations denying the use of tobacco for centuries. Now we know it can lead to cancer and heart disease. But yeah no cell phones, cars, airplanes, TV, computers, new age learning. Gifts of knowledge and wisdom are still active and God teaches people new things that aren't in the bible all the time.

But to steer the topic back to the OP: But yeah do an internet search for "who runs the media empire" and Rupert Murdock's name come up immediately. He is an Australian. Rupert Murdoch - Wikipedia So while you can blame the USA for the media's influence in the world today it's probably a false accusation?

 

[dev553344]

Astarte (See ASHTORETH.) (Jer 7:18; Jer 44:17-25). Wife of Baal or Moloch, "king of heaven." The male and female pair symbolized nature's generative powers, from whence prostitution was practiced in her worship. The worshippers stoutly refused to give up her worship, attributing their recent deprival of plenty to discontinuing her service, and their former plenty to her service. God makes fools' present prosperity their doom (Pro 1:32) and does good to His people in their latter end (Deu 8:16). In Jer 44:19 Maurer translated "did we form her image." Crescent-shaped cakes were offered to the moon. Beltis, the female of Bel or Baal, was the Babylonian "queen of heaven." Ishtar the Babylonian Venus (in the Sardanapalus inscriptions) was also "the mistress of heaven and earth." Babylon, Israel's instrument of sin, was in righteous retribution made Israel's punishment (Jer 2:19).

Thanks for the info. That doesn't sound like a "heavenly mother" though, it sounds like a nature god.

 

[BobVance]

I was shocked at how some weeks ago the LGBT activists practically forced the minister to change their position on the conversion therapy. Its shocking how a minority can overrule the majority and that some minorities have such more rights/freedoms while some others of us have less. At least here in NZ the NZ people in survey/poll for once actually had sense opinion/view.

The new Sodom is Jerusalem not UK. Revelation calls Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt".
According to Jewish source(s) Sodom was not so much bad for their sexual orientation but because they were "lies/lying, they were arrogant, pride, haughty, unconcerned, didn’t care about the poor/needy".
Some of these do also fit modern western countries' rich/wealthy elite and middle class like the UK & NZ eg "beggars are lazy", homeless people due to housing crisis, etc.

Its not just "homophobia" either there are other crooked "hate" laws against other things too. Its all to undermine natural/created national communities.

Although I don't agree with homosexual activism like parades I don't hate them and I understand. But homosexuality is less natural than heterosexuality in my opinion and they shouldn't have the right to go pushing it and showing it off. Natural heterosexual rights and marriage and family come first. One can't push homosexual activism without effecting heterosexual. So we should accept them and not discriminate unfairly, but it shouldn't be pushed/paraded. Christians should have the right to say it is not biblical/natural though.

This is a very difficult course to traverse, my brother in law is a practicing homosexual. Like my wife, he was raised in a Christian home. His lifestyle has devastated the family, yet we love him and want to see him come to Christ. Again, we love him, but cannot condone his lifestyle. This is a very delicate balancing act. I don’t believe you can hate or shun anyone into a relationship with Jesus, that would only drive them further away; in my opinion. Very difficult

 

[Grailhunter]

We have never been "Europe", as the Lord made sure of this by the English Channel. England, and not Europe, was once the hub of Evangelical Christianity, which was taken from here to the ends of the earth. Indeed, the USA owes its very founding on English Puritans, who took the True Bible Faith there when they founded your country.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It is my experience, and contention, that the root of all the problems we see today is the wicked, sinful, corrupt, and deceptive human heart.

This is wisdom!
And the disciples, when they asked, is it me Lord, were much different from us. We wouldn’t have asked a question. We would instead have declared who it was. Like Adam and Eve. If it’s always someone else’s fault, or the fault of some other group, that’s the opposite of self knowledge. And without the knowledge of the extreme that I am, I can’t begin to comprehend the other extreme.