The progression of wickedness and detsruction begins with the people,being wicked they elect wicked leaders,being wicked leaders they engage in and support wickedness...every ailment America has and has had can be laid at the feet of a people past and present,every wicked thing we now have had a beginning,a person and an idea who got support all along the way,a vote,applause...support of some kind.The Constitution was written for an informed and educated people,not a bunch of slugs watching television or worse....to hear the average America talk like its all (insert object of blame here) is a testement to the ignorance and complete detachment from reality in favor of fantasy that plagues America today.
The United States of Evil
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Choir Loft
I've heard that argument before and I'm sick of hearing it.
You are saying that if everybody else does it, it's ok if we do it. That USA is no better or worse than any other nation. Really???
America was born in democracy. Despite what scoffers may say, modern democracy was born of the protestant reformation's principle that the Bible is self-interpreting. No man needs a certified priest to tell him what the Good Book says. In the same spirit, no man needs a church priest to intercede on his behalf before the throne of Heaven. If these things are true, then it is also true that the average man is able to decide the destiny of his community and country. From that principle, formed from Christian values, was democracy born and America settled. The liberty that comes down from God was our foundation as a civilization.
How far we have strayed from the love of liberty, the practice of true democracy, the awareness of truth in government, the basic moral principles of nature, and the love of God? The true wealth of America wasn't measured in dollars and cents, but in the honest hard work of its people and its understanding that God, not the Federal government and the financial cartel, was the source of liberty and greatness. America has fallen from a great height and is no longer the fine civilization it once was. Our very constitution, once a model for government everywhere, is ignored universally as well as in the halls of Washington, DC. It is a relic along with our vaunted goodness.
Everybody else does it?
No decent parent would allow his or her child to get away with a bogus excuse for disobedience like that. Will God wink at our national crimes because America uses the same excuse? We have fallen from grace and have shaken our collective fist in the face of God. God forgives individuals, but He is not quite so generous with empires. Not for nothing is He called the Lord of Lords!
If God does not judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.(*)
There is today a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon between secular America and those who hold the precepts of Christ dear to their hearts. It is a part of the mystery of sin that those who know not God should be more aware of the power of His promises and judgments than those who are called by His name. The Romans and Hebrews who crucified Our Lord believed the promise of His resurrection seriously enough to place guards and a sealed door upon His tomb. The wicked were working at the same time that those who loved Jesus wandered in confusion and despair. It is no less true today.
We hear of the separation of church and state, but no one is more aware of the need of it than those who hate God. They despise the very thought of justice from heaven. Those of us who love Christ are barely aware of the chasm, try to hide their minds in disbelief of the changes in society or simply deny it. The fact is that there is a great separation between God's children and secular American society and the canyon is growing wider every day.
May God have mercy upon those who are called by His Name in these days of judgment. Jesus has always been our escape from sin, I pray He also hides us from the wrath which has only just begun to rain down upon us.
but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
(*) The phrase was originally used in a missionary's letter to America from his post in the city of Shanghai, China in the early twentieth century. Substitute 'Shanghai' for 'America' and the phrase is an exact quote. The city was a fetid swamp of every vice known to man and the letter expressed frustration at the almost complete lack of morality and honesty. In 1937, the Imperial Japanese Army attacked the town and completely destroyed it. God does not apologize to anybody. The phrase has been mistakenly attributable by some sources to Billy Graham or to his late wife's family during their tenure in China.
You left out the scripture. Sick of hearing it won't stop it from coming and overtaking you like the fires of sodom.
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Sick of hearing that USA is equal in its wickedness to every other nation.....
Start with counting 50 million dead babies. What other nation equals the carnage? Even Hitlers Germany only killed 6 million Jews.
Continue with international American hegemony and the enslavement of millions to the dictates of the Euro-American financial cartel.
Go on to list the number of wars, atrocities and violations of human rights during those campaigns.
How many of these were just? After 1945, none of them.
Continue with the account of the destruction of God's gift of liberty at home. After October 26, 2001 the United States ceased to be a republic. The trend has continued and the general population today is PROUD of the new fascist police state we've built. A recent NBC poll revealed that the TSA, whose members enjoy fondling small children and hassling aged airport passengers, is MORE POPULAR than congress. Blackwater, a mercenary death squad organized to terrorize the citizens of Iraq, has been sighted within the borders of the United States - with guns locked and loaded.
The United States has degenerated into a lawless society of murderers and thieves. Do you suppose divine judgment will fall as heavily upon the fifty states as it will upon a nation that has not done so?
"The US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today."
- Rev. Martin Luther King (1966)
"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."
- Rev. Martin Luther King
but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
Problem is your actually talking about a small group of people that have gained power in America that have caused those atrocities who align with the Devil himself. And they plan to do much worse things against the people in our near future. So it sounds like you side with that small group that are against the majority of the peoples in America, trying to point the finger at the majority of American peoples instead of that small group of false leaders who are behind the one world government strategy.
One must also consider that the larger group allowed the smaller group to gain power,the larger group often referred to as the "good" people...one must also consider what percentage of the larger group actually agreed with the smaller group and just let them do the dirty work....humanity is truely amazing at times.....consider this common scenario....evil people are evil for doing evil things yet good people are good despite having done nothing to prevent the evil that was done....amazing but not suprising since people always want to think well of themselves no matter what role they play in anything.
Wickedness is wickedness, sin is sin. The wages are still the same. This is what happens to all of them.
[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]saiah 34[/background]
[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it. [/background]
[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter. [/background]
[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.[/background]
The larger group could not prevent their plans no matter how much we tried, for our Heavenly Father has ordained these events of the last days to happen, and He well warned His servants about it, and even told us how to prepare for it and act throughout it.
The fact that more in the larger group are only 'now'... starting to wake up to what's really been going on further proves this. I've been outspoken about the coming one world government movement since the late 1970's, not caring how others saw me, and the globalist movement is actually a lot older than I am, and can be found in public documents going all the way back to the later 1800's in America. So what's everyone else's excuse?
It's been written in God's Word all along too. But now, globalism is in its final phase today, so it is no longer preventable. That's why today's globalists are openly declaring their plans today, because they know it's too later to stop it now. They are fully out of the closet today. If one only listens to their controlled media outlets that one will remain in deception about it. Heeding God's Word about it will lead one away from listening to the globalist controlled media and their false prophets that have crept into many Churches today.
But even then, coming out of deception is not going to prevent it from happening. The order of the day is to 'prepare' per our Heavenly Father's Word of Truth.
The whole world is evil... There is no excuse that can justify any country's evil acts as a whole...
The people who have sat on their hands and given into the idea that there is nothing they can do about their leaders are just as much to blame as if their leaders...
A large group of people have stopped paying attention to the government anymore, because they have given into hopelessness in regards to it, and in doing so they have given more power to our adversaries, that would corrupt us.
Even many good Christians, who have shouted against the mainstream issues that the media has placed before us are to blame, because even they have decided that on election day there is no reason to go to the polls, because their leaders will do as they please... And many who do go to the polls only look at the issues they heard about on the news...
When they see our government doing things they believe are immoral, they would just complain about it, but do nothing else... What does the complaining accomplish? Does it make them feel like they are separate from the nation? Does letting everyone know that you don't like what you see count as action?
You know what... It isn't just the USA that is evil.... All of the world powers turn blind eyes to some activities they should stand against. All of the world powers hush problems that they don't want to deal with... All of the world powers make money their idol... All of the world powers are guilty....
... But most of the worlds individuals are complacent about it... I see complacency as a true evil... and instead of complaining and accusing, I think it would be better if everyone would start thinking about what they could do to combat it... and then do it.
The people who have sat on their hands and given into the idea that there is nothing they can do about their leaders are just as much to blame as if their leaders...
A large group of people have stopped paying attention to the government anymore, because they have given into hopelessness in regards to it, and in doing so they have given more power to our adversaries, that would corrupt us.
Even many good Christians, who have shouted against the mainstream issues that the media has placed before us are to blame, because even they have decided that on election day there is no reason to go to the polls, because their leaders will do as they please... And many who do go to the polls only look at the issues they heard about on the news...
When they see our government doing things they believe are immoral, they would just complain about it, but do nothing else... What does the complaining accomplish? Does it make them feel like they are separate from the nation? Does letting everyone know that you don't like what you see count as action?
You know what... It isn't just the USA that is evil.... All of the world powers turn blind eyes to some activities they should stand against. All of the world powers hush problems that they don't want to deal with... All of the world powers make money their idol... All of the world powers are guilty....
... But most of the worlds individuals are complacent about it... I see complacency as a true evil... and instead of complaining and accusing, I think it would be better if everyone would start thinking about what they could do to combat it... and then do it.
Like I said, God has ordained the end time world beast kingdom and He is in control. Assigning complacency to the peoples because of their not being able to go against His will is ignorance, especially since He gave us the details of what to expect.
For many these times have become like a surprise pop quiz and they are unprepared, because they haven't read their homework assignment, our Heavenly Father's Word. Some of us have read our homework assignment and have been busy for a long time issuing the warning like He said to do. But the majority have not listened and only ridiculed, calling us conspiracy freaks and what not for pointing out the takeover by a small group of Satan's workers on the earth.
This present world is not our true home, not for those who stand in Christ Jesus. So we should never think that Christ's Kingdom was ever to be established as a part of this present world order. We are here to make a difference, but not to rule over this world, for it is not given to us. It is given to Satan. This present world time was given to him, which is revealed in Luke 4 with the devil's temptation to give all kingdoms to Christ if He would bow to him. Per Rev.11, all the kingdoms of this world become Christ's only when He returns to reign.
For many these times have become like a surprise pop quiz and they are unprepared, because they haven't read their homework assignment, our Heavenly Father's Word. Some of us have read our homework assignment and have been busy for a long time issuing the warning like He said to do. But the majority have not listened and only ridiculed, calling us conspiracy freaks and what not for pointing out the takeover by a small group of Satan's workers on the earth.
This present world is not our true home, not for those who stand in Christ Jesus. So we should never think that Christ's Kingdom was ever to be established as a part of this present world order. We are here to make a difference, but not to rule over this world, for it is not given to us. It is given to Satan. This present world time was given to him, which is revealed in Luke 4 with the devil's temptation to give all kingdoms to Christ if He would bow to him. Per Rev.11, all the kingdoms of this world become Christ's only when He returns to reign.
"Conspiracy Theory" is a term used by those who undestand little about history and human nature,the term for them should reality averse,or reality resistent....they prefer the evolutionary big bang theory for what is happening in the world,no planning,no collusion...the world is just full of good people trying to get it right,one can almost hear "We are the world" in the background.. such little thought leaves more time for the consumption of entertainment and amusement i guess.
In the United States more than 50 million unborn children have been destroyed in their mother's wombs (the place where they should've been the safest.)
The United States government supported Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran (where chemical weapons were freely used on non combatants as well as upon military targets) and then toppled Saddam Husseins regime when he threatened the oil supply from the region.
The United States government supported the opium trade in Southeast asia as long as we were able to use profits from it for black op.s missions.
The United States government supported drug trade in South America as long as it financed anti-guerilla operations guided by the CIA.
The United States government supported the Shah of Iran prior to the Iranian revolution, whose Savat used terror to maintain the dictator's internal power.
The United States government supported the attempted genocide of the American Indian nations so that their land could be seized by "white settlers."
The United States government supported slavery in the United States right up to the civil war; Even those "founding fathers" like Jefferson and Washington who held large arable farmland considered it a "necessary evil" to enlarge their own private ownership and profits.
This list could go on and on, but the fact of the matter is that I love the ideals expressed in such documents as the declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. The problem is that men have a sin nature to deal with regardless of the ideals that they hold. The system of the world is corrupt, under the sway of Satan, ruler of this world, and like it or not our government is part of the world system. Our nation has used it's power to topple governments and "free" people to participate in what we believe is the best system of government and commerce. This really only amounts to giving large corporations new ways to drain economies of their resources, so that relatively few individuals can live like kings while more and more people are enslaved to employers who use them up and them cast them away when they become unproductive. I think that businesses run by Christians are sometimes far more generous to their employees and far less corrupt in their dealings within the world system, but they aren't representative of big business in general where the bottom line is maximizing profit and minimizing cost. I shouldn't complain as anyone can buy stock in a corporation, but the extremely wealthy are also expert at manipulating the markets to loot the money from small investors, or using their huge capital base to elimate smaller competitors and monopolize markets.
Let's face the facts. The world is corrupted by sin and it's going to take the return of Jesus Christ to establish righteous government.
The United States government supported Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran (where chemical weapons were freely used on non combatants as well as upon military targets) and then toppled Saddam Husseins regime when he threatened the oil supply from the region.
The United States government supported the opium trade in Southeast asia as long as we were able to use profits from it for black op.s missions.
The United States government supported drug trade in South America as long as it financed anti-guerilla operations guided by the CIA.
The United States government supported the Shah of Iran prior to the Iranian revolution, whose Savat used terror to maintain the dictator's internal power.
The United States government supported the attempted genocide of the American Indian nations so that their land could be seized by "white settlers."
The United States government supported slavery in the United States right up to the civil war; Even those "founding fathers" like Jefferson and Washington who held large arable farmland considered it a "necessary evil" to enlarge their own private ownership and profits.
This list could go on and on, but the fact of the matter is that I love the ideals expressed in such documents as the declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. The problem is that men have a sin nature to deal with regardless of the ideals that they hold. The system of the world is corrupt, under the sway of Satan, ruler of this world, and like it or not our government is part of the world system. Our nation has used it's power to topple governments and "free" people to participate in what we believe is the best system of government and commerce. This really only amounts to giving large corporations new ways to drain economies of their resources, so that relatively few individuals can live like kings while more and more people are enslaved to employers who use them up and them cast them away when they become unproductive. I think that businesses run by Christians are sometimes far more generous to their employees and far less corrupt in their dealings within the world system, but they aren't representative of big business in general where the bottom line is maximizing profit and minimizing cost. I shouldn't complain as anyone can buy stock in a corporation, but the extremely wealthy are also expert at manipulating the markets to loot the money from small investors, or using their huge capital base to elimate smaller competitors and monopolize markets.
Let's face the facts. The world is corrupted by sin and it's going to take the return of Jesus Christ to establish righteous government.
The real facts are, that you're actually pointing to those of the "synagogue of Satan", and not to the American people in general. I flat REFUSE to take the blame of THEIR atrocities THAT SMALL GROUP OF EVIL WORKERS of the "synagogue of Satan" have done in the U.S., and in all nations. And that goes for all ... of Christ's faithful in America and elsewhere, and even the unbelievers who are not guilty of those things but still have good works.
One of the main Messages in God's Word is about the false "workers of iniquity" which are here on earth to serve their father, the Devil. Some of his servants on earth have publically declared their abject love of wickedness (like Aleister Crowley). On the lower end of the scale are the deceived caught up in their various occult orders, not aware how they are used for devilish aims. It's the secret socities that have caused the world situation we are in today, and those societies are not established in just one or a couple of locations, but in all nations.
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The United States government is now backing and supporting the Egyptian government WHICH IS ACTIVELY CRUCIFYING CHRISTIANS in Egypt. I have started another thread elsewhere.
I appeal to everyone to contact their elected representatives to oppose ANY support of the Egyptian government until this policy is revolked.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
I appeal to everyone to contact their elected representatives to oppose ANY support of the Egyptian government until this policy is revolked.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
good post,
when you vote you are voting for the party, you are promoting what they stand for. Do you really believe the president works alone, no he submits to his political party (not the people like they are suppose to).
Your vote does not matter. Both parties are under the control of the banks, large corporations, the elite, the UN and Satan.
As Jesus warns His people in Rev. 18, He warns His children again today, get out of the evil government world systems.
Jesus: "Come away from her (Babylon, America, the UN), my people.
Do not take part in her sins,
or you will be punished with her." Rev. 18
surrender only what is do by law, but do not support its wicked ways, and when you cast that vote, you are of the world, not the Spirit.
While I would agree that both parties are part of the world sytem, I don't believe that this abrogates our civic responsibities. When one party campaigns on a platform that specifically is opposed to righteousness as declared by God's word and the other party makes a claim to support specific righteous legislation in direct opposition to the latter, (e.g. The legitimazation of same sex marriage, the public funding of abortion, the criminalization of religious speech, etc.) I think that we have a clear obligation to cast a vote for the sake of righteousness and a good conscience toward God. I'm not suggesting that such a party is any more righteous in its nature than another, but our vote is the only power given us in making such a choice for righteousness' sake. I don't advocate Political activism in the name of Christ, but participation in government is certainly considered a civic responsibility at least as much as paying taxes is. If you do pay taxes, then you should be concerned about how they are spent, and you should use what means are available to you in the attempt to have them used in a righteous manner. We have a vote. We have a voice. Anyone that posts here can obviously write a cogent statement, so why not write a letter or note to a senator or congressman, or even to the president? As Christians we have an obligation to share the Truth (in love) with our fellow men, our neighbors and our society. When politics is a venue for public opinion, we should be sharing our opinion as well (regardless of how we might be received and typically this would be not very well.) For those who know to do good and do not do it, that is sin. I have no authority to make laws, but I do have a vote that can influence their passage and their repeal, so shouldn't I use that vote to express my faith?
Hi Veteran,
Grace and peace to you brother.
I'm not suggesting that you own the sins of the nation (our own are more than enough to deal with.) I love the country of my birth, it's the only home that I've ever known. I served in the military out of a desire to serve the nation of my birth and don't regret it for a moment. Looking back, I'm not sure that taking the oath was the wisest thing to do, but I was only 25 at the time, unsaved and unsure about what was true or real. Now I see myself as having duel citizenship, in the world and in the kingdom of our Lord, and the King takes precedence over all allegiances.
There is a common saying that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and the scripture tells us that "there is a way that seems right to a man, but that way leads to death." Unredeemed men, even those that may at some time receive Jesus Christ as their savior, commonly do evil things believing that what they're doing is right. I assure you that during our bloody civil war there were men on both sides of the Mason/Dixon line that were thoroughly convinced that their cause was just and righteous, whatever the cause they believed in actually was. The carnal mind just doesn't work the same way as the spiritual mind, and the spiritual mind must be trained in righteousness through the study and application of God's word.
Just this afternoon, on my drive home from work, I heard a young man, a professing Christian, asking advice of a local Christian talk show host, about a difficult situation at home. Apparently he and his wife had involved themselves in the affairs of another married couple and were instrumental in seeing that other couple seperated (possibly divorced) by lending support to one or the other of that other pair, even to the point of providing "temporary lodging" to the estranged wife. Now, as if this meddling wasn't bad enough, this fellow on the phone stated openly that he'd become dissatisfied with his own wife and went so far as to tell her so, comparing her with this other woman they'd taken into their home and creating emotional attachments to another man's wife. I'm reasonably sure that this couple believed that they were somehow doing a good thing by encouraging a divorce rather than a reconciliation, and by bringing a second adult woman into their home, but I'm also reasonably sure that they remain biblically ignorant of God's will and spiritually immature (if spiritual at all.)
In my own experience I was saved while going through something similar (and certainly of a more sinful nature), yet at that time I managed to convince myself that I was doing the "right thing." The heart is deceitfully wicked. My love for the Lord is a compulsion with me and this because I know that I never deserved salvation. I feel sorry for those who believe that they deserve it and I'm also reasonably sure that such haven't actually received it. Whether or not that last statement is true, I am certain that we are born as creatures under a sentence of death, and that this sentence is only lifted when we receive Jesus Christ as our own, submitting to Him and accepting His righteousness as sufficient for our lack of it.
The founders of our nation displayed the wisdom to base our system of law and governance upon a balance between our freedoms and the requirements of a righteous God. The fact that men pervert the law to their own ends should come as no surprise to those who understand the nature of sin, or the sin nature (having been born to it.) I just believe that it remains foolish to put your trust in men, even those who profess righteousness, when Jesus Christ alone is worthy of our trust.
Good luck with that, since the "synagogue of Satan" is in control of our government.
Hey brother.
I assure you, I am not deceived by this matter. And I most definitely am not putting my trust in man.
I'm simply trying to get others to actually get into God's Word about the matter, to understand what He says about it. What He says certainly isn't about blaming His elect servants that seek Him through His Son, whether in America or anywhere else.
Don't confuse my handle here ("veteran") with this issue. It's not about some simple idea of having served in the U.S. military. Has nothing to do with that. Other's here only 'use' that to push hatred against America, just as the servants of the "synagogue of Satan" have done in the past, and are still doing now. Lies and propaganda is all they know.
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