The Walking Rocks

[Forsakenone]

[SIZE=medium]In Death Valley, California a mysterious phenomenon has been occurring [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]known as the Walking Rocks which has baffled scientist for almost a 100 years.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]As to the natural explanation why these stones, some weighing a 100 pounds, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]move by themselves across the desert floor, the answer still seems to be a [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]stooped in mystery.[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=medium]While nobody has actually seen the rocks move, apparently they have used time[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]lapsed photography to document the occurrence. And curiously enough, the rocks don’t[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]just move in a straight line have been recorded changing directions.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Considering the fact that this area only receives 2 inches of rain, per year total,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]and only a few days of freezing temperatures, the ‘ice rift’ theory currently[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]as the scientific explanation seems doesn’t seem to explain the reason for the [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]movement of these stones that is reported to have occurred during the other [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]362 days when ice isn't present.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]While on one hand science can't conclusively answer the question, do you think that[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] science [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]should consider on [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the other hand that the answer might be pointing to the finger of God ....[/SIZE]

Article(s): John Hopkins Nature National Geographic Text

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[Mr.Bride]

If we don't praise Him, the rocks'll cry out. Or walk.

 

[Martin W.]

I thought it was determined that wind moved them , it is a neat phenomenon .

 

[Forsakenone]

If we don't praise Him, the rocks'll cry out. Or walk.

Do you think they cried out

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Psalms 24:4-6

I thought it was determined that wind moved them , it is a neat phenomenon .

1. I do not know for a fact that this actually occurs or if it isn't some sort of hoax.
2. While I hope that the basic nature of man [male or female] is to be honest, I continue to hold to this belief yet I can't deny that some people are just lying sobs.
3. Here is what I had found recorded about the wind theory. LINK interesting video. I would ask why the disturbed surface particles which must have occurred during the movement of the stones didn't blow away in the wind.
if you notice they soil behind the stone seems undisturbed.

 

[JayP]

As an individual with a science degree the first theory I would look at would be the wind moving the sand beneath that would cause the rock to move. The individual grain work almost like tiny balls to move the seemingly immovable (the same way as heavy items can be moved on rollers)

 

[brakelite]

As an individual with a science degree the first theory I would look at would be the wind moving the sand beneath that would cause the rock to move. The individual grain work almost like tiny balls to move the seemingly immovable (the same way as heavy items can be moved on rollers)

And like a house moves under sand... -_- ..sand mover around all the time, the dunes shift and desert landscapes change constantly. It would take a heavier rock than 100lbs to stand still when everything around it and under it is moving.....On another note I also wonder if anyone has anyone bothered to look under the rocks???? Strong lizards?

 

[Forsakenone]

As an individual with a science degree the first theory I would look at would be the wind moving the sand beneath that would cause the rock to move. The individual grain work almost like tiny balls to move the seemingly immovable (the same way as heavy items can be moved on rollers)

I never considered that, but it is definitely an interesting perception. Martin W. had mentioned wind too but I am not sure if he was thinking of wind under the rock too.

While I am sure of your exact scenario, as far as I can conclude from the little information I have seen is that the movement of these rocks can be observed over time but as of yet none of the researchers have actually been able to observe or document the rocks actual movement.

Personally, I am leaning towards the principles of linear thermal expansion as the mechanism responsible for the causation of motion of these inanimate objects.

Notice in the picture below, the area in front of the rock is shaded thus lower temperature, or contraction of the playa surface while behind the rock and the side are exposed to directly thermal heating from the sun which indicates they will remain constant. And in such the rock is traveling in the direction of the surface having the lesser temperature producing the contraction, or shrinking effect which allow the weight of the rock to slide ever so slighty during the process which repeated each day. Cloud cover, wind direction, and possibly moisture content of the soil would be the factors to produce the variation in travel by the rock which all would still be relative to the thermal expansion of the soil. Ok, where do I pick up my Nobel prize at? LOL

But if I was scientist, my professional scientific explanation for the walking rocks phenomenon would be the "Finger of God"

And like a house moves under sand... -_- ..sand mover around all the time, the dunes shift and desert landscapes change constantly. It would take a heavier rock than 100lbs to stand still when everything around it and under it is moving.....On another note I also wonder if anyone has anyone bothered to look under the rocks???? Strong lizards?

LOL

 

[lforrest]

My first guess would be that high frequency earthquakes move them, much like that old electric football game with the vibrating board.

 

[Forsakenone]

My first guess would be that high frequency earthquakes move them, much like that old electric football game with the vibrating board.

Those old electric football games were the shizzle back in the day.

Think it might be a hoax? Could be that two people using a rope pulled the rocked to its current position.

If a hoax they would have needed to first place the rock on the playa surface to begin pulling it.

If you notice the area around where the rock is sitting, the surface of the playa seems compressed from being
walked upon.

Does it appear that those variation in the color in the surface along both side might be foot prints too?

At the sport where the stone marks in the surface begin, it also seems that ground might have been walked on too.

Yet your reference to those high frequency earthquake kinda sounds like some of that new age science of
the Government's H.A.A.R.P. stuff

 

[Martin W.]

The results can be duplicated (and have been) ... occasionally the ground freezes there , then a bit of rain to thaw out the top inch or so , strong winds , and the rock can easily slide along making a groove in the mud , but under that is ice to make it slippery.

It is rare to have all those conditions in place , but when it happens the rocks and their path can remain for years so that is how we get to see it

 

[Forsakenone]

The results can be duplicated (and have been)

Can you provide the source for your claim the results have been duplicated? Not saying you are wrong but simply can you verify the statement. I THESS 5:21
If you are referring to the theory of Ralph Lorenz at John Hopkins:

"His “ice raft theory” was also borne out by an experiment that used the ingenuity of a high school science fair. SOURCE

Lorenz placed a basalt pebble in a Tupperware container with water so that the pebble projected just above the surface. He then turned the container upside down in a baking tray filled with a layer of coarse sand at its base, and put the whole thing in his home freezer. The rock’s “keel” (it’s protruding part) projected downward into the sand, which simulated the cracked surface of the playa (which scientists call “Special K” because of its resemblance to cereal flakes). A gentle push or slight puff of air caused the Tupperware container to move, just as an ice raft would under the right conditions. The pebble made a trail in the soft sand. “It was primitive but effective,” Lorenz says of the experiment."

What was the amount of force from the "gentle push" or "slight puff of air" that caused the container to move relative to the weight of the container itself?

"Lorenz’s team came to its conclusion through a combination of intuition, lab work, and observation—not that the last part was easy. Watching the rocks travel is a bit like witnessing the rusting of a hubcap. Instances of movement are rare and last for only a few seconds. Lorenz’s team placed low-resolution cameras on the cliffs (which are about 30 miles from the nearest paved road) to take pictures once per hour. For the past three winters, the researchers have weathered extreme temperatures and several flat tires to measure how often the thermometer dips below freezing, how often the playa gets rain and floods, and the strength of the winds. “The measurements seem to back up our hypothesis,” he says. “Any of the theories may be true at any one time, but ice rafting may be the best explanation for the trails we’ve been seeing." SOURCE

The fact that there are conditions which might account for the rock movement according to his theory doesn't prove it is the actual causation of the rocks movements. In his article published in the Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology in December of 2011, it contains the following statement regarding the three year study:

“We unfortunately have not observed any widespread rock movement or trail formation during our measurement campaign” SOURCE

However, the article on the results of the three year study does cite one instance of any observed or documented rock movement during that period where the icing conditions existed.

 

[Martin W.]

Can you provide the source for your claim the results have been duplicated? Not saying you are wrong but simply can you verify the statement. I THESS 5:21
If you are referring to the theory of Ralph Lorenz at John Hopkins:

You are the source

Your post #4 has it in the video link you provided

The successful experiment can be seen from 12:00 to 15:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yuP5vCIUkY

 

[Forsakenone]

14:52-15:02
I appreciate your comments. I don't have any vested interest in what causes this phenomenon, just discussing...maybe learning?

Sliding on the ice? If you listen to the geology student he figured it all out, but if you continue to listen to the commentary, how do the explain the movement during the summer months.

1. He flatted the surface prior to the adding the water. The avg. rainfall is 2 inches per year, over a number of days at different times. If you put more water than the known amount to occur on any one of those days, then the test using falsified conditions can't really be considered duplicating the conditions?.

2. The stone would be sitting on the surface prior to the icing, not on top of the ice. Put the curling thing on the floor first and then apply the ice how good it slides.

While they might appear smaller in the picture, some of these stones are reported to weight up to 700 lbs, but even still the larger of the stones used in the video ripped the soil up more so than produced with the little stone. Seems the weight of the stones would displace a greater volume of mud as it slide along the mud, like a car on a muddy road.

These are some questions I would have, you might be seeing something that I am not seeing. Anyways, I am not going to say anyone's opinion is wrong when I don't even know for a fact these stones are not a hoax, seems certain information is missing; it would help if they had a documented account of the movement so one could tell what the weather was, how much the stoned moved over how much time etc.

But none the less, Deut 32:4
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

If God is a God of truth, then if must be by the motion [life] from the finger [energy] of God [truth]
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[Martin W.]

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So are you saying God moved the rocks ?????????????????

 

[Forsakenone]

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So are you saying God moved the rocks ?????????????????

Ipso facto, all motion is the result of the finger of God.

 

[Tex]

What you just proposed is called "God of the gaps". Do not ever believe that junk. Science cannot explain something, so therefore God? That is how every pagan religion began. I can't explain lightning, so Zues. I can't explain volcaneos, so Mars must be mad. One day, scientists will find out how the rocks move, and God will have less gaps for you to fit Him into.

Instead, the correct belief is that EVERYTHING points to God! Do the rocks move? Praise be to God! Did the rocks stop? Praise be to God! Do the rocks currenly exist? Praise be to God! Does it rain two inches a year? Praise be to God!

 

[Martin W.]

There was a farmer who called the police one spring , he had damaged his seeding equipment

He was convinced that somebody was trying to sabotage his farm , there were huge rocks strewn around his field that were not there the year before.

He was even convinced it had to be more than one person because some of the rocks weighed over 300 pounds

To complicate things even more , there were chunks of paving asphalt scattered around as well.

One neighbor said the devil did it

His wife said God did it because the farmer often neglected church .

So they phoned the police to investigate .

Police determined there were no vehicle tracks in or out of the field , in other words they were not hauled in and dumped by truck or machine , even the last years crop residue had not been disturbed. Police also determined no humans had done it.

Anyone want to guess who put the rocks there ?

God? Devil? UFO? Magic? Bigfoot? Nephilim?

 

[Tex]

That is precisely the problem, Martin. If people say, "God did it" and it later turns out that a meteor hit the area, those people have made God look rather dumb.

 

[Forsakenone]

What you just proposed is called "God of the gaps". Do not ever believe that junk. Science cannot explain something, so therefore God? That is how every pagan religion began. I can't explain lightning, so Zues. I can't explain volcaneos, so Mars must be mad. One day, scientists will find out how the rocks move, and God will have less gaps for you to fit Him into.

Instead, the correct belief is that EVERYTHING points to God! Do the rocks move? Praise be to God! Did the rocks stop? Praise be to God! Do the rocks currenly exist? Praise be to God! Does it rain two inches a year? Praise be to God!

So do tell, how did the primordial atom condense to create that Big Bang as all space, matter, time and energy rapidly to form the expanse and matter of the universe in the beginning?

But if I say in the beginning the finger of God created the expanse and the earth, then they give you some rights to hurl insults? But the common evolutionist response is that the two are totally different.

Since you like quoting Neil deGrasse Tyson.-- There is no shame in not knowing. The problem is when you claim nobody else does either to fill the vacuum of your own ignorance.

14.5 billion years ago, yet energy can not be created nor destroyed so then the primordial atom must have been around a lot longer than 14.5 billion years. But science says that the know for a fact. But what was the medium in which this primordial atom existed in before the Big Bang? So the universe, which is basically what the primordial atom was, just merely in a condensed state. Not a clue how it got there but it just magically got there and just magically made the expanse and matter. Let's see expanse couldn't be substituted for the heaven nor and the earth and all the celestial bodies which formed from matter huh. Yeah, no similarities whatsoever. :lol:

Since the primordial atom contained all the space, matter, time and energy- then what pray tell caused the external force to act upon the primordial atom in order for it to condense to cause it to explode rapidly -- since the first law of motion states that a body at rest stays at rest while a body in motion stays in motion unless an external force acts upon it.

 

[Martin W.]

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ANSWER

10 miles away a highway crew had done some bridge repairs , they completed it late in the fall and it snowed before the debris could be cleaned up.

During the winter , a snow plow had pushed some of the rocks and old chunks of asphalt onto the frozen river , when spring breakup came the ice flows were carried downstream ,

There was a mini flood on the farmers field and some of the ice ended up there , rocks and all , the ice melted in a few days leaving the rocks ,

One neighbor still claimed the devil set the whole thing up

The farmers wife still insisted it was a message from God