The "watch rapture view"

[TribulationSigns]

Yes, it is. You are clueless.

No it does not. You are spiritually clueless.

LOL! You turn angels in heaven into the Old Testament congregation on earth.

I never said that. False accusation. God never created angels in literal heaven to being with. You have been brainwashed by Sunday School. The kingdom of Heaven is congregation and its messengers (angels) are God's covenant people.

You are unbelievable! Always twisting scripture to fit your false beliefs. You have no shame.

Say someone who do not like to hear the Truth.

The third heaven is where God dwells and it talks about Satan accusing believers before God.

Sigh… the Third Heaven would never, ever, EVER allow a liar or accuser in! Before the Cross, Satan — a spirit who accused the children of God’s congregation (the Kingdom of Heaven) — had influence over the fallen congregation. But once he was cast out, Christ rebuilt it, forming what we now know as the New Testament congregation, where Satan is bound and cannot accuse God’s people.

It’s clear you’ve been conditioned by Sunday School to believe that Satan was literally in heaven, boldly accusing God’s children in His Holy face.

That occurred in the third heaven up until Satan was cast out from there permanently because of there being no place for him there any longer. He no longer had anything to accuse believers of because their sins were washed away by the blood of Christ.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No...let's see what God actually says about a Serpent in heaven, as compared with what you just said.

Revelation 12:7-9

• "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
• And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
• And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Do you see how you have contradicted God's word of a Serpent being in heaven? He says that old "Serpent" that is called the Devil and Satan, a liar from the beginning was there? We have man's word and we have God's word. According to God, the old Serpent was in heaven fighting God's messengers. So if (and that's a big if) you believe this to be God's actual holy physical heaven (your so-called third heaven) and not a symbolic representation of the kingdom of heaven on earth, then the serpent was quite obviously there and causing trouble against God. Therefore, by all common idiom, you have created a contradiction in declaring that the serpent wasn't there. Which is why the Scriptures say:

Romans 3:4

• "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

Let us not suppose that man's word, no matter how he thinks it true, can stand against God's Word. What you are claiming is a informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction (called proof by assertion). That is to say, if you believe this to be heaven where God lives--which it was made clear from your previous posts that you do. I choose to address these contradictions and find where the doctrine is wrong.

The fact that you believe Satan was a fallen angel via Revelation 12, a being that you believe was also in the Garden of Eden and was cursed by God there, who was previously a good angel that existed before the garden. Is that organized, consistent or comprehensible thought?

Genesis 3:14

• "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

Was Satan cursed twice, once when he was kicked out of heaven (presumably before this) and now again to slither as a snake? Here is your time contradiction. If this Serpent is the supernatural being Satan that you think he is, and here at the beginning of man he was cursed, then how was this cursed being on earth allowed to come back to Holy heaven as an angel of God (and yet still called a Serpent by God) that he could rebel accosting the woman in Heaven giving birth to the child Christ? You see, you have a contradiction no matter what path you take here.

But if this Serpent was not a supernatural being, but a symbolic representation of the adversarial spirit of man, then it fits consistently throughout the entire Bible. For in every unsaved person is a devil, an adversarial spirit that keeps him from reconciliation with God. It's consistent with the symbolism the entire passage of Revelation 12 (Michael, Heaven, Stars, Moon, Woman, Dragon, Serpent, Devil, etc.) and this spirit of man ruling some of the messengers (not angels) of that kingdom and causing a rebellion against God. This took place in Israel prior to the Cross. This ultimately brought desolation or ruin to that Old Testament congregation Israel. They (Jews) were the messengers of God cast down. This rebellion taking place thousands of years AFTER the Garden of Eden, and at the time Christ casts this spirit of disobedience down and bind him for 1000 years until the church of the nations/gentiles is built. This is what I consistently attempting to explain to you. You cannot contradict God's word and expect to come to His truth. Please note the woman that was in heaven fleeing into the wilderness? You remember her being a pregnant woman in heaven and now she is fleeing into the wilderness? Does that fit your "LITERAL" narrative of angels falling from literal heaven, ummm?! Surely you must see your view is totally inconsistent to say the least. Surely you can see the disharmony of such a teaching?

Revelation 12:13

• "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."

All these were in Physical heaven and now they are all on Physical earth? It was never a literal woman in physical heaven with the Dragon, Satan. Hello?! Surely Satan cannot persecute a Woman in literal heaven from earth. Therefore, the argument that this was physical Heaven with physical angels falling is found wanting. You are trying to make an argument about something that is well beyond arguing from a consistent harmonious Biblical perspective. God's word must be in agreement or harmony with itself or there is no truth. For example, you can't have Satan being a "being" in the Garden of Eden cursed, and also have him back in heaven thousands of years later leading an angelic rebellion where a woman in heaven he was persecuting is still persecuted by him after his fall. It just makes no sense!! He'd already rebelled in the garden if this was the being Satan. If not, then we're correct in saying this Serpent is not a fallen angel, but the adversarial spirit in man that wars against the church and its God. You can have it one way or the other, but not both. Selah.

LOL. Of course it fits. It's talking about Satan accusing believers in God's presence. That doesn't happen on the earth. I'm bored now. I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of your nonsense.

You position does NOT fit with the Word of God as I have explained above. You are still deceived by traditional teaching of the Church regarding Satan in literal heaven LOL!

 

[Douggg]

[--------------Daniel 9:27 "one week" (7 years)---------------]
[-------1260 days--------][AOD][----1260 days---------------]
[---------------------------------][--great tribulation----------][Jesus gathers]

Davy, put 42 months for the second half, not 1260 days.

[--------------Daniel 9:27 "one week" (7 years)---------------]
[-------1260 days--------][AOD][----42 months--------------]
[---------------------------------][--great tribulation----------][Jesus gathers]

 

[Douggg]

It makes sense to any unbiased person. Do you deny that the heaven in which God dwells is the third heaven? I'm sure you don't. So, where would Satan be accusing believers in God's presence?

You are not in heaven, are you ? Does God not hear your prayers ? God hears Satan's accusations no matter where Satan is.

 

[Douggg]

I believe it's a symbolic reference to the New Testament time period. Revelation 12:17 refers to the persecution of those who are in the church since the New Testament church began.

symbolic ? No, the time, times, half time is a literal time period.

 

[Davy]

Davy, put 42 months for the second half, not 1260 days.

[--------------Daniel 9:27 "one week" (7 years)---------------]
[-------1260 days--------][AOD][----42 months--------------]
[---------------------------------][--great tribulation----------][Jesus gathers]

Telling LIES again we see.

Per my post #894 I put 1260 days in the above place where you wrongly have 42 months. It is YOU... that put that 42 months there above, NOT ME, you CONFUSED WHITE WASHED WALL!

Furthermore, 42 months per the Lunar calendar is EQUAL to 1260 days of the Solar calendar, the Lunar just a few days shorter. So the 42 months reign of the "dragon" (Satan), and the time of the END when the Gentiles will tread the holy city Jerusalem 42 months, are the SAME 1260 day period of God's "two witnesses" that will appear in Jerusalem and prophesy against the beast, AS written in Revelation 11.

So go study your Bible and actually HEED IT as written, instead of coming here to push your LIES.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I never said that. False accusation.

I didn't say that you said that, you silly person. I was describing what you are doing with your ridiculous interpretation. The text is about angels in heaven and you make it about the Old Testament congregation on the earth instead.

God never created angels in literal heaven to being with.

Yes, he did. You have to be foolish to not understand such a simple concept as this.

Hebrews 2:5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying: What is man that You are mindful of him, Or the son of man that You take care of him? 7 You have made him a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor, And set him over the works of Your hands. 8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.” For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Are you going to try to claim that Jesus, in His humanity, was made a little lower than other humans? He absolutely was not! But, He was made a little lower than God's angels in the sense that He had a mortal body and experienced pain and death while God's angels cannot experience pain and death.

You have been brainwashed by Sunday School.

You have been brainwashed by your own brain. At least 90% of the things you say on here are pure nonsense. You need to ask God for wisdom so that you stop promoting unbiblical gibberish.

 

[Douggg]

Per my post #894 I put 1260 days in the above place where you wrongly have 42 months. It is YOU... that put that 42 months there above, NOT ME, you CONFUSED WHITE WASHED WALL!

Furthermore, 42 months per the Lunar calendar is EQUAL to 1260 days of the Solar calendar, the Lunar just a few days shorter. So the 42 months reign of the "dragon" (Satan), and the time of the END when the Gentiles will tread the holy city Jerusalem 42 months, are the SAME 1260 day period of God's "two witnesses" that will appear in Jerusalem and prophesy against the beast, AS written in Revelation 11.

So go study your Bible and actually HEED IT as written, instead of coming here to push your LIES.

Does Jesus not return after the 42 months of the beast's reign in Revelation 13:5 ? And cast the beast into
the lake of fire at that time?