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The Woman Who Rides the Beast

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Zalaki, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. ONELORD.ONEFAITH.

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    Shes commited fornication with the kings of the Earth[​IMG][​IMG]Arrayed in purple and scarlet[​IMG]
     
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    Please give scripture that say anything about Rome or the catholic church as opposed to all the other false religions ?
    Hi Christina,I agree that other "false religions" play a role, too. But the RC is has been MOST influential throughout history and to this day. In the link I provided above in the first post, http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dragon.htm , there are several Bible verses which point out that Rome/Roman Church are the part of the Beast system in which the Dragon gives them their power. The "Golden Cup", the art, the coinage, the statues, etc., all contain the images and symbols of Rome and the Roman Church that are described in the book of Revelation.http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/2-Zecchini-1825-photo.jpghttp://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/leo-xii-medal.jpgAnd I also pointed out what Jesus said about "wolves in sheep's clothing". And the "secret chambers".There are other verses, too, that are very interesting:Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."Matthew 10:16 "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."Luke 10:3 "Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves."Act 20:29"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock."Why did Jesus use the "wolf" symbol? Because Rome was built on the myth of the "She-Wolf". And Jesus knew that Rome would adopt Christianity later. They covered themselves as "sheep", but underneath they are still Rome.THE EAGLE SYMBOLMatthew 24:28 "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."Luke 17:37 "And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together."-----------These are the verses that Jesus is telling his disciples about what was coming....the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple AND the persecution of the saints by Rome.How do we know this? The clue is "where the carcases are, the eagles will be gathered together."Now the "eagle" is very important. Because on the marching staffs of the Roman legions, there were eagles placed on top of them. So where there were many Roman soldiers gathered together you could also see the "eagles" gathered together on their staffs.[url="http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Signum.html]http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Signum.html[/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_(heraldry)http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/standardeagle.jpgIt was, of course, the Romans who rounded up the Christians and Jews for the slaughter or to be sent to prisons, made slaves, or the colliseums.That "Eagle" symbol was ALSO incorporated in the Roman Catholic Church as well as the Byzantine Church.http://lh6.ggpht.com/_GC8rZZ-CDkU/SHRF6xK6...ly+scan+246.jpghttp://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/photo...06/25/eagle.gifhttp://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman...atholic_europe/http://www.imperialclub.net/ordo_byzantine_eagle.htmThere's more, but for room's sake I'll leave it at this for now.Kim
     
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    Again you are trying to make mens ideas fit Gods Word no one is defending the catholic church they have many abominations so do Muslims, Jehova wittness's mormons and on and on But the point here is what does God and scripture say. God says its a Harlot religion that All Men the whole world will follow just because one religion is worse than others doesnt mean its the Harlot religion. But hey guys believe what you like but I'm telling you God never says its the catholic church he never even say its a Christian church ? He says its a Religion of the beast a Harlot religious system Ruled by Antichrist (Satan) claiming to be christ standing in the holy of holies ( where he ought not) in Jerusalem Killing the two wittness's in Jerusalem there isnt a single thing in Gods Word about catholics or Rome being this Harlot religion. I'll follow God you are free to believe men if it suits you. You havent a single verse in Gods Word that says this yet you chose to believe it Men following men be my guest.
    I agree with Christina.Matthew 13:38 - The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
     
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    KimJust one kind-of objection here,
    Dispensationalist Christians don't realize…
    Dispensationalist is a catch-all phrase for a number of theological ideas. But not all dispensational thought is wrong. It's when it is tied to the Premillennial view that it goes wrong. Scripture is divided into Administrations or dispensations, but that is a study for another time.ONELORD.ONEFAITH.
    The Popes are a dynstsy of antichrists, but as for four hidden dynasties I have never heard of such a thing.
    This is a topic for another topic also but it has to do with Daniel 7 and Zechariah 1.PS. Is everyone having a good time, I am [​IMG]
     
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    Hi Christina,I agree that other "false religions" play a role, too. But the RC is has been MOST influential throughout history and to this day. In the link I provided above in the first post, http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dragon.htm , there are several Bible verses which point out that Rome/Roman Church are the part of the Beast system in which the Dragon gives them their power. The "Golden Cup", the art, the coinage, the statues, etc., all contain the images and symbols of Rome and the Roman Church that are described in the book of Revelation.http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/2-Zecchini-1825-photo.jpghttp://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/leo-xii-medal.jpgAnd I also pointed out what Jesus said about "wolves in sheep's clothing". And the "secret chambers".There are other verses, too, that are very interesting:Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."Matthew 10:16 "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."Luke 10:3 "Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves."Act 20:29"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock."Why did Jesus use the "wolf" symbol? Because Rome was built on the myth of the "She-Wolf". And Jesus knew that Rome would adopt Christianity later. They covered themselves as "sheep", but underneath they are still Rome.THE EAGLE SYMBOLMatthew 24:28 "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."Luke 17:37 "And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together."-----------These are the verses that Jesus is telling his disciples about what was coming....the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple AND the persecution of the saints by Rome.How do we know this? The clue is "where the carcases are, the eagles will be gathered together."Now the "eagle" is very important. Because on the marching staffs of the Roman legions, there were eagles placed on top of them. So where there were many Roman soldiers gathered together you could also see the "eagles" gathered together on their staffs.[url="http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Signum.html]http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Signum.html[/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_(heraldry)http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/standardeagle.jpgIt was, of course, the Romans who rounded up the Christians and Jews for the slaughter or to be sent to prisons, made slaves, or the colliseums.That "Eagle" symbol was ALSO incorporated in the Roman Catholic Church as well as the Byzantine Church.http://lh6.ggpht.com/_GC8rZZ-CDkU/SHRF6xK6...ly+scan+246.jpghttp://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/photo...06/25/eagle.gifhttp://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman...atholic_europe/http://www.imperialclub.net/ordo_byzantine_eagle.htmThere's more, but for room's sake I'll leave it at this for now.Kim
    Again all mens words nothing of Gods men trying to make their own speculations, Ideas, symbols fit Gods Word where is the scripture God interpts his own symbolism his own Word you are taking things and deciding they are Gods symbolism, Gods words by whos authority? God never tells anyone to do that. Like I said if thats your conclusion fine but God never says it never implies it. And in fact says differntly but many will continue to deny his Words and scriptures for mens ideas but do not try to convince me men are right and God is wrongIts men following Men And there a famine in the land not for bread but for the true Word of God
     
  6. ONELORD.ONEFAITH.

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    Again you are trying to make mens ideas fit Gods Word no one is defending the catholic church they have many abominations so do Muslims, Jehova wittness's mormons and on and on But the point here is what does God and scripture say. God says its a Harlot religion that All Men the whole world will follow just because one religion is worse than others doesnt mean its the Harlot religion. But hey guys believe what you like but I'm telling you God never says its the catholic church he never even say its a Christian church ? He says its a Religion of the beast a Harlot religious system Ruled by Antichrist (Satan) claiming to be christ standing in the holy of holies ( where he ought not) in Jerusalem Killing the two wittness's in Jerusalem there isnt a single thing in Gods Word about catholics or Rome being this Harlot religion. I'll follow God you are free to believe men if it suits you. You havent a single verse in Gods Word that says this yet you chose to believe it Men following men be my guest.
    You are getting confused, yes the anti-christ will bring in a new world order so to speak. one world religion,etc. And he will be worshipped and everyone will be deceived, except those that are not written in the book of life. But it doesnt rule out that the woman spoken of here is the Roman Catholic Church, its not symbolic of every false religion. This is speaking about one individual organization. What you are speaking about is the same doctrinal lie that has been told to Catholics about the identity of the harlot system. Catholics themselves are deceived by thinking that they are worshipping the true church and that their "mother church" is ok with God. You say there isnt a single word that doesnt say that God hasnt spoken about this harlot system, but it does. I've have tried showing scripture, pictures, videos, and links to books and articles. Whoever will receive it, will receive, those that dont, wont.
     
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    Yes, Tom, I understand! : )I was referring to "Evangelical, Fundamentalist, and Dispensationalist Christians". That's why I used the word "Evangelical" in my post to be more specific. The reason being is that is it this group of Christians today, which include: The Charismatics, Pentacostals, Southern Baptists, etc., who all preach the Pre-Trib or Post Trib Rapture theory. I thought I was being clear on that. And now, even some Reformed churches are preaching it.I work for a Christian book publisher which categorizes the different theologies that are preached. That's why I used the word "Evangelical" because it is this group of Christians who preach the various Rapture theories.Kim
     
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    You are getting confused, yes the anti-christ will bring in a new world order so to speak. one world religion,etc. And he will be worshipped and everyone will be deceived, except those that are not written in the book of life. But it doesnt rule out that the woman spoken of here is the Roman Catholic Church, its not symbolic of every false religion. This is speaking about one individual organization. What you are speaking about is the same doctrinal lie that has been told to Catholics about the identity of the harlot system. Catholics themselves are deceived by thinking that they are worshipping the true church and that their "mother church" is ok with God. You say there isnt a single word that doesnt say that God hasnt spoken about this harlot system, but it does. I've have tried showing scripture, pictures, videos, and links to books and articles. Whoever will receive it, will receive, those that dont, wont.
    It is you sir who are confused or you would hear God over men to repeatAgain all mens words nothing of Gods men trying to make their own speculations, Ideas, symbols fit Gods Word where is the scripture God interpts his own symbolism his own Word you are taking things and deciding they are Gods symbolism, Gods words by whos authority? God never tells anyone to do that. Like I said if thats your conclusion fine but God never says it never implies it. And in fact says differntly but many will continue to deny his Words and scriptures for mens ideas but do not try to convince me men are right and God is wrongIts men following Men And there a famine in the land not for bread but for the true Word of God __________________
     
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    Again you are trying to make mens ideas fit Gods Word no one is defending the catholic church they have many abominations so do Muslims, Jehova wittness's mormons and on and on But the point here is what does God and scripture say. God says its a Harlot religion that All Men the whole world will follow just because one religion is worse than others doesnt mean its the Harlot religion. But hey guys believe what you like but I'm telling you God never says its the catholic church he never even say its a Christian church ? He says its a Religion of the beast a Harlot religious system Ruled by Antichrist (Satan) claiming to be christ standing in the holy of holies ( where he ought not) in Jerusalem Killing the two wittness's in Jerusalem there isnt a single thing in Gods Word about catholics or Rome being this Harlot religion. I'll follow God you are free to believe men if it suits you. You havent a single verse in Gods Word that says this yet you chose to believe it Men following men be my guest.
    Dear Christina, I just don't think Satan as antichrist is going to spend a lot of time worrying about the many non-Christian religions out there, he has them all ready. I think his one world religion will be a loss organization of all religious groups similar to if including those groups in the Ecumenical Movement. He has been at work here in this world for many years, he is not just going to pop in at the last few moments and start everything from scratch. It has been started all ready. The common interpretation of Rev 12: 7-12 is in error. Those verses are included in " σημεῖον, sēmeion", of verse 1.==Slow down everyone I'm still trying to read post #21 [​IMG]
     
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    Again all mens words nothing of Gods men trying to make their own speculations, Ideas, symbols fit Gods Word where is the scripture God interpts his own symbolism his own Word you are taking things and deciding they are Gods symbolism, Gods words by whos authority? God never tells anyone to do that. Like I said if thats your conclusion fine but God never says it never implies it. And in fact says differntly but many will continue to deny his Words and scriptures for mens ideas but do not try to convince me men are right and God is wrongIts men following Men And there a famine in the land not for bread but for the true Word of God
    Christina,If I quote the Bible, how is that what "men" say? I don't understand your comment.I haven't decided anything for God. Why would I do that? For what purpose?I opened my eyes and there it was before me. I didn't need any MAN or WOMAN to tell me these things. I have eyes that can see. And I can see these symbols with my own eyes, that they are the very symbols that the Apostle John wrote about in the book of Revelation.I'm not alone. Nor am I special.I thought you understood that the Bible does indeed coincide with world history and modern events. Does it not?Or has God been "silent" these last 2000 years? I don't think so. Because God speaks to my mind and my heart everyday.One cannot understand the world today OR history unless yone has a good understanding of the Bible. Wouldn't you agree?I didn't come to this conclusion yesterday. It took many years for me to see these things.I'm only using the web links because they have the PICTURES! But I've quoted plenty of Bible verses! And I don't need MEN to tell me what they mean.All one has to do is open their eyes!These things are ALREADY happening in the world before our very eyes! Do we have our eyes opened? Or are they closed?As Jesus said, "whoever has ears to hear, let him hear. Whoever has eyes to see, let him see." Did he not?Jesus spoke in parables, did he not? What are parables? Stories using symbols to convey a hidden message? Right? The question is, do we understand the "hidden messages"? There was a time I did not. I was "blind" to these things. Kim
     
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    Yes you quoted scripture but it has nothing to do with the catholic church it is general warning to beware of these things. You have no reason to relate this to the catholic church alone to ignore everything else God tells us about the specifics of this Woman this Harlot religion and just apply the gen. warning to a certain group alone because men say so. I never said they are not a part that is included in these gen. warnings. But that isnt even the total subject we are talking about. These veres do not say nor prove the catholic church has anything to do with Antichrist Harlot religion that rules the World nor that antichrist is the Pope. All we know is that RRC is part of the many deceived churchs ....thats it. Saying it is anything more is like saying a wheel is the car ...the wheel may an intregal part but its not the vehicle..nor the driver of the vehicle
     
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    Yes, Tom, I understand! : )I was referring to "Evangelical, Fundamentalist, and Dispensationalist Christians". That's why I used the word "Evangelical" in my post to be more specific. The reason being is that is it this group of Christians today, which include: The Charismatics, Pentacostals, Southern Baptists, etc., who all preach the Pre-Trib or Post Trib Rapture theory. I thought I was being clear on that. And now, even some Reformed churches are preaching it.I work for a Christian book publisher which categorizes the different theologies that are preached. That's why I used the word "Evangelical" because it is this group of Christians who preach the various Rapture theories.Kim
    Understood [​IMG] I think in many ways the Evangelical movement is just as dangerous and deceiving in it's own way, as the RC is in it's way. The two when they are joined together will encompass the majority of "Christian" peoples.I finally got to the top of the page [​IMG]
     
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    Understood [​IMG] I think in many ways the Evangelical movement is just as dangerous and deceiving in it's own way, as the RC is in it's way. The two when they are joined together will encompass the majority of "Christian" peoples.I finally got to the top of the page [​IMG]
    Yes, and that is why I stated in earlier posts that the majority modern Christians are following the Beast and the False Prophet. The Beast being of the RC, and the False Prophet being the false prophecies of the Rapture and every thing else being preached that is contrary to scripture.And there we are caught between, but not caught up.Which is why I believe we are living in the "apostasy", or the "falling away" of the Church, and the time of darkness, where the sun, the moon, and the stars no longer give their light as Jesus preached in his Olivet Discourse of Matthew, chapter 24.I think people seem to forget sometimes that "Revelation" means "apocalypsis" which means "to reveal, or an unveiling". What happens during a revelation or an unveiling? Our eyes are opened are they not? To see things that we didn't see before?Kim
     
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    It is that exact kind of thinking that scares me for those like yourself you are in danger of walking right into Antichrists trap because you refuse to heed Gods warning hear his words You make it into something it is not are willing to just think things are wrong now so when a fake arrives claiming to be Christ healing the deadly wound twisting scripture as Satan does putting a chicken in everypot holding rivials, performing miracles and only asking for your belief that he is Jesus Christ returned you will be jumping on the band wagon. For the Lord says : 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. this will be the antichrist2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Few know the truth because they follow men they are unaware of what and who is coming11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Revelation 8:11 "And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."Satan may look like Christ and offer fountains of blessings, but his fountains will give only bitterness. You think it is clean, fresh and pure water, but when you taste of that water its bitter. When you drink of it and digest it, it becomes poison to your very soul. Revelation 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.Revelation 8:13 "And I beheld, and heard an angel [eagle] flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound."In the original text the word "Angel" should read "Eagle"; for the word in the Greek reads "Aetos". Why is this ? Their is an urgency to this eagle's cry of "Woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth", by reason of the voices from the other trumpets. This is why the last trumpets are called the "woe trumpets". This is not woe to those in heaven, but woe to those who are living on this earth. It is aimed at our generation, and to you and I specifically, if you are a Christian. This woe is directed to those who are not doing their bible study, and preparring themselves for what is coming. All those who have studied the Scriptures, and used the proper tools of study, will know the true Christ from the fake.it is this delusion all the world following after the the fake instead of waiting for the true that is the real falling away today is just minor compared to what it will be. Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.Dismissing all this and much more that is written as hype, past, just some symbolic strangeness or whatever ones reason is.. is a very dangerous thing Our Father has taken time to write us about these things so we could be fore-armed /fore warned refusing to acknowledge them and understand them doesnt change anything just leaves you vunerable. Most are so sure they wont follow antichrist because they believe ....but they refuse to learn who he really is what God really says .... However be warned God says different he says the whole world will follow Antichrist... Why because few will bother to get passed mens lies to hear and see Gods Words. only a few will overcome (Many are called few are chosen)
     
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    "Anti-Christ", generally speaking, Christina, is ALREADY HERE! As the Apostle John wrote, "even now there are many anti-christs."What "warnings" have I failed to heed? Let's look at those verses in the KJV:1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW THERE ARE MANY ANTICHRISTS; WHEREBY WE KNOW IT IS THE LAST TIME."1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."1 John 4:3 "And EVERY SPIRIT that confesseth NOT that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even NOW ALREADY is it in the world".2 John 1:7 "For MANY DECEIVERS are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."There is NOT going to be ANY ONE Antichrist. There are MANY!If I or anyone else here say that anti-Christ is already here, and I don't mean THE ONE and ONLY ANTI-CHRIST, (because no one person is going to be THE Anti-Christ) and the modern church is following the Beast and False Prophet HOW on earth will I fall in to the anti-Christ trap"? My eyes are already open to see that an "anti-Christ" system is ALREADY here.Christina, what are you waiting for? A giant neon sign from God flashing off and on with a big arrow pointing, "Here he is, There he is!? It's not going to happen that way.AntiChrist(s) are already here. I don't know about you but we've BEEN in Great Tribulation for the last 2000 years.The martyrdom of the saints, great plagues and wars, earthquakes, tsunamis, more big wars, we even exploded two nuclear bombs! "The powers of heaven were shaken!"In the last 2000 years, if you add up everyone that was killed by wars alone, it comes to around 18 BILLION people!Where do I get the numbers? Right here:[url="http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm]http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm[/url]Just look at the tallies and tell me we haven't been in "great tribulation" for the last 2000 years!We are living in great darkness right now! Anti-christs are HERE! There's is nothing in the Bible that supports THE ONE and ONLY ANTI-CHRIST is coming. Nothing. The word anti-Christ(s) is only used 4 times and NONE of those times is it referring to ONE MAN in the future, who is Satan, who will proclaim to be GOD and set up his throne on earth.---------------------The Papacy is just one of many. But because it has so much influence in the world, God gave John the vision of them.I don't know what you're looking for, but it's BEEN here for hundreds of years.Jesus's Second Coming is imminent. He could come at any time now. Don't you see? "The last days would be like the days of Noah. People will be going about their daily business completely unaware of what was about to happen to them. Then the Flood came and swept them all away." The average person is "oblivious" as to what's about to happen to them.But WE were made aware of what is coming by Jesus, so that day would not take us by surprise.We were given "the signs". You're right, Our Father DID take time to warn us of these things. And those with their eyes open SEE them right NOW!You are dismissing what we say as "hype". But ALL of what we present IS supported by scripture.You must have a very nice, cushy life right now to not see that we ARE in tribulation right now.We've BEEN in the time of "Jacob's Trouble" for the last 2000 years.Kim
     
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    "Anti-Christ", generally speaking, Christina, is ALREADY HERE! As the Apostle John wrote, "even now there are many anti-christs."What "warnings" have I failed to heed? Let's look at those verses in the KJV:1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW THERE ARE MANY ANTICHRISTS; WHEREBY WE KNOW IT IS THE LAST TIME."1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."1 John 4:3 "And EVERY SPIRIT that confesseth NOT that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even NOW ALREADY is it in the world".2 John 1:7 "For MANY DECEIVERS are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."There is NOT going to be ANY ONE Antichrist. There are MANY!If I or anyone else here say that anti-Christ is already here, and I don't mean THE ONE and ONLY ANTI-CHRIST, (because no one person is going to be THE Anti-Christ) and the modern church is following the Beast and False Prophet HOW on earth will I fall in to the anti-Christ trap"? My eyes are already open to see that an "anti-Christ" system is ALREADY here.Christina, what are you waiting for? A giant neon sign from God flashing off and on with a big arrow pointing, "Here he is, There he is!? It's not going to happen that way.AntiChrist(s) are already here. I don't know about you but we've BEEN in Great Tribulation for the last 2000 years.The martyrdom of the saints, great plagues and wars, earthquakes, tsunamis, more big wars, we even exploded two nuclear bombs! "The powers of heaven were shaken!"In the last 2000 years, if you add up everyone that was killed by wars alone, it comes to around 18 BILLION people!Where do I get the numbers? Right here:[url="http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm]http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm[/url]Just look at the tallies and tell me we haven't been in "great tribulation" for the last 2000 years!We are living in great darkness right now! Anti-christs are HERE! There's is nothing in the Bible that supports THE ONE and ONLY ANTI-CHRIST is coming. Nothing. The word anti-Christ(s) is only used 4 times and NONE of those times is it referring to ONE MAN in the future, who is Satan, who will proclaim to be GOD and set up his throne on earth.---------------------The Papacy is just one of many. But because it has so much influence in the world, God gave John the vision of them.I don't know what you're looking for, but it's BEEN here for hundreds of years.Jesus's Second Coming is imminent. He could come at any time now. Don't you see? "The last days would be like the days of Noah. People will be going about their daily business completely unaware of what was about to happen to them. Then the Flood came and swept them all away." The average person is "oblivious" as to what's about to happen to them.But WE were made aware of what is coming by Jesus, so that day would not take us by surprise.We were given "the signs". You're right, Our Father DID take time to warn us of these things. And those with their eyes open SEE them right NOW!You are dismissing what we say as "hype". But ALL of what we present IS supported by scripture.You must have a very nice, cushy life right now to not see that we ARE in tribulation right now.We've BEEN in the time of "Jacob's Trouble" for the last 2000 years.Kim
    Kim, those MANY antichrist you are seeing are humans. Those anti-christs you are seeing still have time to repent to Lord Jesus Christ if they are willingly to do so. But you are missing one thing.THE, again THE and THE which is a definite article, and THE Anti-Christ is the same person who is already Judged by God to the Lake of Fire, judged to die that death first. (Isaiah 14:15, Ezekiel 28:18, John 17:12, and Revelation 20:14) And his name is SATAN, whose former name is Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12)
     
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    Jordan, the word THE is never associated with the word "antichrist" in the Bible. I challenge you find it. I challenge you to find "THE ANTICHRIST" in those words in the Bible.Look at what the Apostle John wrote again. There is no Bible verse which states "The AntiChrist."There is none. All the verses you provide do NOT say "THE AntiChrist" is coming.I don't know how to present it any more plain than that.The coming of THE ANTICHRIST is a teaching by the SAME churches that preach the Rapture.So I don't understand why you follow this theology that the Bible itself does not support. In the Apostle John's verses, he was quite clear. Back then, the people were expecting "The Antichrist". But John set them straight, saying that there is NO ONE Antichrist coming. He also pointed out:"We know is the LAST TIMES, because antichrist is ALREADY here."John knew they were ALREADY living in the end times. We've been in the end times for the last 2000 years.It can't be more simple and plain.You won't be able to find those verses. They do not exist. Believe me, I know. I searched long and hard for them. They DO NOT exist.They only exist in the imaginations of men and women who are "futurists" expecting the coming of Satan as the antichrist.I don't know about you, but I'm expecting the Second Coming of Jesus, not the Anti-Christ.But you believe what you will. I pray that God opens your eyes.Kim
     
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    Jordan, the word THE is never associated with the word "antichrist" in the Bible. I challenge you find it. I challenge you to find "THE ANTICHRIST" in those words in the Bible.Look at what the Apostle John wrote again. There is no Bible verse which states "The AntiChrist."There is none. All the verses you provide do NOT say "THE AntiChrist" is coming.I don't know how to present it any more plain than that.The coming of THE ANTICHRIST is a teaching by the SAME churches that preach the Rapture.So I don't understand why you follow this theology that the Bible itself does not support. In the Apostle John's verses, he was quite clear. Back then, the people were expecting "The Antichrist". But John set them straight, saying that there is NO ONE Antichrist coming. He also pointed out:"We know is the LAST TIMES, because antichrist is ALREADY here."John knew they were ALREADY living in the end times. We've been in the end times for the last 2000 years.It can't be more simple and plain.You won't be able to find those verses. They do not exist. Believe me, I know. I searched long and hard for them. They DO NOT exist.They only exist in the imaginations of men and women who are "futurists" expecting the coming of Satan as the antichrist.I don't know about you, but I'm expecting the Second Coming of Jesus, not the Anti-Christ.But you believe what you will. I pray that God opens your eyes.Kim
    Can you show me that Satan is not THE Anti-Christ? Can you show me that Satan can not fake Christ's coming?I don't know about you, I'm more interested in seeing Satan (Revelation 9:1, II Thessalonians 2) over Christ anyday. (I Corinthians 15:52, I Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 11:15), but I will wait for my Husband. (Psalm 130:5)
     
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    Believe what you will Kim but a type always has an original the Bible is full of types its how God teaches the sacrificial Lamb was a type of Christ to come, for example, one must learn how God teaches, Its why he uses nature alot its a type and symbolic.Ive never said there are not types of Antichrists, but that doesn't mean there isn't ONE that is the Original. If you chose to ignore what scripture that tells you, your choice your soul is the one at stake but I will warn you..your following the exact church teaching you claim to detest. Satan as Antichrist/enemy was taught in the Church of Smyrna one of the two churches God was pleased with, it was taught by the apostles. It was the catholic church that changed all this. I choose follow what was taught before corruption by men and what the scripture saysI notice you never address the scripture I give you alway counter with general verse's that could mean anything depending on the context they are used in. These general verse's are milk verse's you are using, they are so those without deeper understanding can understand there are antichrists ect. They are not the meat of Gods Word. Gods says learn the meat. The meat has the details/ the deeper truths. 2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. This is Satan himself who will be the antichrist...claiming to be Christ 2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works These are all others who are claining to be ministers leaders ect ..types of antichrists doing the works of Satan I can only show you the scriptures only God can give one wisdom to see it.I pray you do before its to late.
     
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    Jewish ency. on Satan As the incarnation of evil Satan is the arch-enemy of the Messiah: he is Antichrist. The light which was created before the world was hidden by God beneath His throne; and to the question of Satan in regard to it God answered, "This light is kept for him who shall bring thee to shame." At his request God showed Satan the Messiah; "and when he saw him he trembled, fell upon his face, and cried: 'Verily this is the Messiah who shall hurl me and all the princes of the angels of the peoples down even unto hell'" (Pesiḳ. R. iii. 6 [ed. Friedmann, p. 161b]; further details are given in Bousset, "Der Antichrist").
     
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