The Word of God

[Paul Christensen]

Branham is another nut job who was visited numerous times by an angel he claimed since his childhood. A real whack job who was guided by demons. The word of faith false teachers are deceivers.

Matthew 24:23-27
Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man


Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Revelation 13:13-14
He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who *had the wound of the sword and has come to life.

hope this helps !!!

Of course there are folk who believe that anyone who doesn't agree with them are nut jobs. It's the old attitude that you and I are only two perfect Christians in the world, and I'm not too sure about you!

 

[Paul Christensen]

satan the counterfeit who else ?

It sounds like anyone who doesn't subscribe to your personal theology is a satanic counterfeit. Sounds like popery and priestcraft to me.

 

[ChristisGod]

Of course there are folk who believe that anyone who doesn't agree with them are nut jobs. It's the old attitude that you and I are only two perfect Christians in the world, and I'm not too sure about you!

the WOF steals from its poor followers who mortgage their homes to support their pastors wealth and teach destructive heresies and blame the same one who give to them financially and blames them if they do not get healed, what a racket.

Jesus would treat them like the moneychangers in His day and whip them out of their church building and turn over their tables.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Its called the TRUTH exposing false teachers and damnable heresies.

and like wise disciple of copeland, branham and all the other WOF false teachers from the pit.

While you are having a go at whom you consider false teachers, why not include these ones?

Peter - He denied the Lord, and had a foot shaped mouth.
John - He was a bit effeminate and had the habit of leaning on people's breasts.
Simon the Zealot - He was too involved in local politics, and used his dagger to knife Roman collaborators.
James - He had too much ambition and wanted to be right up at the top in the kingdom.
Paul - He was a Pharisee, and persecuted the church, murdering and imprisoning Christian believers.
John Wesley - He didn't want to go back home to a domineering, bullying wife, so he stayed on the road preaching from town to town.
Charles Finney - Disobeyed the leadership of the Presbyterian church by departing from its Calvinistic theology.
David Brainerd - who told the head of his Bible college that the chair he sat in had more grace than he did.
General Booth - who refused to observe the Lord's Supper in his Salvation Army services.
Jonathan Edwards, who read his sermons without any expression of emotion.
Billy Graham - who freely mixed with Roman Catholics and Muslims to share the gospel with them.

None of these men would have been commissioned as pastors or elders in today's churches. They had too many personal issues and faults. So, if you want to expose the faults and failings in others, perhaps you should examine yourself as well - unless you are the shining example of spiritual perfection.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Is that why C is so hateful to me???

He thinks that female Bible teachers are satanic counterfeits.

 

[ChristisGod]

While you are having a go at whom you consider false teachers, why not include these ones?

Peter - He denied the Lord, and had a foot shaped mouth.
John - He was a bit effeminate and had the habit of leaning on people's breasts.
Simon the Zealot - He was too involved in local politics, and used his dagger to knife Roman collaborators.
James - He had too much ambition and wanted to be right up at the top in the kingdom.
Paul - He was a Pharisee, and persecuted the church, murdering and imprisoning Christian believers.
John Wesley - He didn't want to go back home to a domineering, bullying wife, so he stayed on the road preaching from town to town.
Charles Finney - Disobeyed the leadership of the Presbyterian church by departing from its Calvinistic theology.
David Brainerd - who told the head of his Bible college that the chair he sat in had more grace than he did.
General Booth - who refused to observe the Lord's Supper in his Salvation Army services.
Jonathan Edwards, who read his sermons without any expression of emotion.
Billy Graham - who freely mixed with Roman Catholics and Muslims to share the gospel with them.

None of these men would have been commissioned as pastors or elders in today's churches. They had too many personal issues and faults. So, if you want to expose the faults and failings in others, perhaps you should examine yourself as well - unless you are the shining example of spiritual perfection.

Now why on earth would I ever consider my brothers in Christ above as false teachers ?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Even if I was a pastor in real life with a congregation I would never go on a public forum and declare I'm a pastor and the participants are under my teaching and authority. Forums are for discussion, exchanging ideas, to learn from others and apologetics if that is your thing and witnessing if you get the opportunity.

Precisely.

 

[Paul Christensen]

God actually hates the sinner (Psalms 5:5-6) and is angry with him every day (Psalms 7:11).

Yes. The "sinner" in that verse describes the unconverted person who is not born again of the Spirit of God.

 

[ChristisGod]

He thinks that female Bible teachers are satanic counterfeits.

show me a female elder who ruled in the church in the N.T. ?
show me a female in the N.T. who had the gift of a teacher in the church ?
show me a female pastor in the N.T. church from scripture ?

 

[Paul Christensen]

If I do not fulfill the commission of pastor here then by all means reject my authority.

But if I am speaking sound doctrine in the authority of the Holy Ghost and on the authority of God's holy word, then accept the authority of these and heed what the Holy Spirit might want to say to you through me.

One thing I know...I cannot be identified as a false prophet because all men do not speak well of me (Luke 6:26).

example:

We on this forum are a cross-section of the body of Christ, therefore anyone who shows fruit that shows a ministry of teaching, will be approved of the majority of forum members. One of the definitions of prophecy is what we contribute in our comments on this forum. Therefore, according to Paul, when a person makes a comment, the others in the forum weigh it up to see whether it is consistent with sound Scriptural principles and shows good fruit. If it doesn't, then members have total right and freedom to say why the comment should be safely ignored.

 

[ChristisGod]

We on this forum are a cross-section of the body of Christ, therefore anyone who shows fruit that shows a ministry of teaching, will be approved of the majority of forum members. One of the definitions of prophecy is what we contribute in our comments on this forum. Therefore, according to Paul, when a person makes a comment, the others in the forum weigh it up to see whether it is consistent with sound Scriptural principles and shows good fruit. If it doesn't, then members have total right and freedom to say why the comment should be safely ignored.

And that is a similar principle used in churches as they recognize someone who might have the gift of teaching as they observe them in adult Sunday school classes, small group bible studies, home groups etc......

 

[justbyfaith]

We on this forum are a cross-section of the body of Christ, therefore anyone who shows fruit that shows a ministry of teaching, will be approved of the majority of forum members. One of the definitions of prophecy is what we contribute in our comments on this forum. Therefore, according to Paul, when a person makes a comment, the others in the forum weigh it up to see whether it is consistent with sound Scriptural principles and shows good fruit. If it doesn't, then members have total right and freedom to say why the comment should be safely ignored.

Of course; however I do not believe that I have been bearing any kind of bad fruit: and also if something I say is going to be ignored, there should at least be a biblical basis for ignoring it.

I have found that certain people reject things that I say even when they are backed up by holy scripture: they fail to even look at the references that I give to back up my statements and reject those statements outright because they are the natural man (see 1 Corinthians 2:14).

 

[CharismaticLady]

show me a female elder who ruled in the church in the N.T. ?
show me a female in the N.T. who had the gift of a teacher in the church ?
show me a female pastor in the N.T. church from scripture ?

Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

 

[justbyfaith]

And also, it is true of false teachers that all men speak well of them (Luke 6:26); therefore if anyone is true, they will be rejected by some as having the authority that the Lord has given them.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes. The "sinner" in that verse describes the unconverted person who is not born again of the Spirit of God.

Indeed. It is also speaking of those who sin. For they are one and the same.

 

[justbyfaith]

Even if I was a pastor in real life with a congregation I would never go on a public forum and declare I'm a pastor and the participants are under my teaching and authority. Forums are for discussion, exchanging ideas, to learn from others and apologetics if that is your thing and witnessing if you get the opportunity.

Precisely.

Paul claimed to be an apostle and his apostolic authority was also contested hotly by people in the church.

If I am doing one less than what Paul did and claiming to be a pastor, well, I can see why you would be all up in arms.

Because the things that I am preaching offend you.

You want to continue on in a lifestyle of sinning and I have been preaching that if anyone is born of God, they will not continue on in such a lifestyle.

So my preaching exposes you for what you are.

Thus the persecution and hatred.

 

[ChristisGod]

Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

If we allow Priscilla to have contributed towards the instruction of Apollos, as doubtless we may, it is certain it was only in private discourse; which being joined with a meek and humble behaviour, might be very effectual for the conversion of souls, 1 Peter 3:1,2. Thus Timothy was indebted for his knowledge in the things of God to his mother and grandmother, 2 Timothy 1:5. But otherwise it is not lawful for a woman to teach, 1 Timothy 2:11,12.poole

hope this helps !!!

 

[Paul Christensen]

the WOF steals from its poor followers who mortgage their homes to support their pastors wealth and teach destructive heresies and blame the same one who give to them financially and blames them if they do not get healed, what a racket.

Jesus would treat them like the moneychangers in His day and whip them out of their church building and turn over their tables.

Moses said that an accusation needed two or three witnesses to establish it, and then if there is punishment required, it was the responsibility of those witness to exact it on the offender. This is why when the crowd brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus, He called upon the witnesses who had not sinned to cast the first stones.

Therefore, according the Jewish Law, if you and two others have substantive evidence against a WOF preacher bullying people into mortgaging their homes to support their opulent lifestyle, then it is up to you and the other witnesses to go and punish that preacher. It is one thing to accuse certain preachers in this forum, but it is quite another to take two other witnesses and swear out affidavits in support of a private prosecution that the preacher extorted money from those who attend their church.

In actual fact, people have given money as free-will offerings to the ministries. No one has been forced into it. The majority have believed in the ministry and have freely supported it. It is like people spending loads of money at the Casino, hoping to get that great win, but everyone knows that the Casino is geared to make money and more people lose their money than actually get their big win. But no one forces the people to gamble. They do it in the hope of getting the big win that will solve all their financial problems. It is the same with Christian ministries. Perhaps some give in the vain hope, fueled by false teaching, that they will become wealthy through their seed-faith offerings, or that if they are sick or disabled, healing will come their way from the Lord; but as we know, that is just as much a gamble as going to the Casino and hoping for the big win. But one is skating on thin ice when accusing ministries of extorting money from people against their will.

 

[Paul Christensen]

show me a female elder who ruled in the church in the N.T. ?
show me a female in the N.T. who had the gift of a teacher in the church ?
show me a female pastor in the N.T. church from scripture ?

Lydia, who ran a church in her home in Philippi.
Aquila's wife Priscilla, who shared teaching to Apollos to show him the way of Christ.
Philip's daughters who prophesied - given that the definition of prophecy included preaching. So his daughters were preachers.
It is interesting that Paul fully approved of all these women and welcomed their contribution to the body of Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

There are verses that teach that if you plant a financial seed you will reap a financial reward.

And I do not say this as anyone who might benefit from such a teaching.

There is no means by which anyone might be able to give to me as the result of my teaching such a thing.