"THE WORDS...ARE SPIRIT" version of understanding scripture.

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, now you're just lying (again).

I have not concluded "things contradictory to the Word"--but only contradictory to your understanding of it. God knows.

As for your false witness (again and again)--this you will indeed answer for.

As for your teaching, as it is written, "by that same measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

I fear not your rebukes. YOu wrote that your "higher spiritual meanings" can differ from Scripture. If you hadn't I wouldn't tell you these are demonic.

As for my understanding, you do not quiz me to know my understanding. but as I stand with men lik Spurgeon, Chaffer, Pentecost, Saul Paulus, Billy Graham, Moody, Tozer et al, who all say Scripture is the highest and final arbiter of what is right or wrong and cannot be added to taken from without grave peril.

By your very writings you would call these men Carnal for they up[hold Scripture as the highest revelation God gave to man.

No my brother in trouble, I do not lie about you , but have spoken truth to your deception . Once again seeking these hidden "hidden higher spiritual meanings", you have joined the company of Russel, Smith, Jim JOnes, Koresh, Eddy, Popes and other cult leaders who all claimed as you to have gotten "higher spiritual meanings" from God. YOu all disagree with each other because you all disagree that Scripture is the end all for man.

So you can read it , I do not speak against getting personal applications from OT, Gospel and Acts and the history there. I spent months preaching on what we can learn from JOnah. That is not higher spiritual meaning, that is merely proving Paul that all Scripture is inspired by God.

 

[ScottA]

Yes and so aren't lies. When you get into these "higher meanings" and they veer from the written word- you are merewly being decieved like CCharles Russel, Joseph Smith and others who got "higher spiritual meanings" and called them from god!

Once again I know that we can glean many personal applications from much of the OT, gospels and acts. These are not "higher spiritual meanings" as Scott A promotes, but merely applying facts from the past to our lives.

"To our lives" in this world "is but a breath" missing the "the greater works" and the "greater things than these" as promised. You "hinder" and "quench the Spirit." There is a word for that: "Woe!"

What did you think those "greater things than these" meant--nothing "higher?"

"Fools and blind! For which is greater?"

 

[ScottA]

I fear not your rebukes.

Even your first sentence is wrong.

The rebukes are not mine.

YOu wrote that your "higher spiritual meanings" can differ from Scripture. If you hadn't I wouldn't tell you these are demonic.

Yes, and this is were you are wrong--so wrong I only need to quote the scriptures, and say nothing:

"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" (Psalm 22:1 of David).​

"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (Matthew 27:46 Jesus speaking).​

Would you like me to explain the "higher spiritual meaning?"--since you deny anything "higher?"

 

[ScottA]

As for my understanding, you do not quiz me to know my understanding. but as I stand with men lik Spurgeon, Chaffer, Pentecost, Saul Paulus, Billy Graham, Moody, Tozer et al, who all say Scripture is the highest and final arbiter of what is right or wrong and cannot be added to taken from without grave peril.

You refer to men--"et al." I have only referred to God.

 

[ScottA]

By your very writings you would call these men Carnal for they up[hold Scripture as the highest revelation God gave to man.

Do you even hear yourself?

Again--"which is greater" the words that are subject to translation and only "spiritually discerned", or the Spirit who inspired them? And which is "higher", words written on parchment rarely agreed to among men, or that which comes directly from God whom is spirit? "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:9).

And yet again, you refer to men and their teachings , while I have told you only what is from God.

 

[ScottA]

No my brother in trouble, I do not lie about you , but have spoken truth to your deception . Once again seeking these hidden "hidden higher spiritual meanings", you have joined the company of Russel, Smith, Jim JOnes, Koresh, Eddy, Popes and other cult leaders who all claimed as you to have gotten "higher spiritual meanings" from God. YOu all disagree with each other because you all disagree that Scripture is the end all for man.

So you can read it , I do not speak against getting personal applications from OT, Gospel and Acts and the history there. I spent months preaching on what we can learn from JOnah. That is not higher spiritual meaning, that is merely proving Paul that all Scripture is inspired by God.

Lying and accusing is exactly what you have done (here again), and here again with many points of godly reference, I have shown your error, and corrected you with words--not from men--but from God.

 

[MatthewG]

Take everything with a grain of salt.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Yes, and it is a shame that there are so many that latch on to what is really just their own idea of what is actually true, not following Jesus so much, but rather their own directives or something they read or heard that tickled their ears to their own liking. Yes, only presuming.

I agree. It was all foreseen. God is eternally wise and knows all things.

2 Timothy 4:3-4: "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

Matthew 15:9 Jesus recalled Isaiah there. "They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules."

Mark 7
6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,

“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’



Colossians 2:8: "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ."

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes and so aren't lies. When you get into these "higher meanings" and they veer from the written word- you are merewly being decieved like CCharles Russel, Joseph Smith and others who got "higher spiritual meanings" and called them from god!

Once again I know that we can glean many personal applications from much of the OT, gospels and acts. These are not "higher spiritual meanings" as Scott A promotes, but merely applying facts from the past to our lives.

Aren't we supposed to compare spiritual with spiritual? (1 Cor 2). And Col 1:9 says to be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding. God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. There is so much we don't yet know or understand. Just think of when Paul was taken up to the third heaven how he saw/heard things that were not even permissible to tell. With these in mind, I dont' see how we ought to take everything in a carnal-minded literal way.....we need the spiritual mind of Christ.

Unless there is something specific that is being said that is contrary to the word. In which case please specify what you think that is, so it can be checked out. I myself haven't seen anything up to now that sets off alarm bells. The principle of higher spiritual meanings in itself is certainly not false/contrary. Now I do not always understand what this brother is sharing, but so far I'm not discerning anything that is actually troubling or contrary, and sometimes have even come away with some good nuggets of truth. It's really not fair and just to cast aspersions/suspicion on someone unless you have an actual reason aside from mere suspicions.

 

[Lizbeth]

I think something to consider in matters of belief is,there are those who presume they believe.
And then as God tells us there are those whom he calls into his grace and enables with understanding of his word. Matthew 13

Jesus shared of this when certain ones of his followers left him.
He tells us they went out from him because they were not one with him. That's my wording. Not what is found in 1John 2:19.

There is the matter of growth too, I believe, which does require humility in order to grow and be willing to be corrected and change course when necessary. The bible says if we think we know, we do not yet know as we ought (1 Cor 8:2). That should give us pause to consider. God gives grace to the humble.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Yes and so aren't lies. When you get into these "higher meanings" and they veer from the written word- you are merewly being decieved like CCharles Russel, Joseph Smith and others who got "higher spiritual meanings" and called them from god!

Once again I know that we can glean many personal applications from much of the OT, gospels and acts. These are not "higher spiritual meanings" as Scott A promotes, but merely applying facts from the past to our lives.

That's a huge chip you have on your shoulder.

I think when you deny the work of holy spirit leading us to understanding as we hope to teach others of God's words,as you did in your post 92, you can be seen as someone who ,in insisting what you say is true,does not know what he's talking about.

 

[Gray_Joy]

There is the matter of growth too, I believe, which does require humility in order to grow and be willing to be corrected and change course when necessary. The bible says if we think we know, we do not yet know as we ought (1 Cor 8:2). That should give us pause to consider. God gives grace to the humble.

Amen.

I think if we divest ourselves of needing holy Spirit to lead us into understanding, and in his stead insist we know what God means to say in his words, we've lost our humility.

The ego is voracious. Especially if it can lead us to presume to speak contrary to God.

 

[Gray_Joy]

A gentle reminder of God's irrevocable truth for which Jesus taught and died to seal and secure as eternally absolute.

"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." John 10:28-29

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Aren't we supposed to compare spiritual with spiritual? (1 Cor 2). And Col 1:9 says to be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding. God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. There is so much we don't yet know or understand. Just think of when Paul was taken up to the third heaven how he saw/heard things that were not even permissible to tell. With these in mind, I dont' see how we ought to take everything in a carnal-minded literal way.....we need the spiritual mind of Christ.

Unless there is something specific that is being said that is contrary to the word. In which case please specify what you think that is, so it can be checked out. I myself haven't seen anything up to now that sets off alarm bells. The principle of higher spiritual meanings in itself is certainly not false/contrary. Now I do not always understand what this brother is sharing, but so far I'm not discerning anything that is actually troubling or contrary, and sometimes have even come away with some good nuggets of truth. It's really not fair and just to cast aspersions/suspicion on someone unless you have an actual reason aside from mere suspicions.

Yes we know but a fraction of all that we can know. As Paul wrote, "now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face." We won't know the rest till we see Jesus face to face unless you wish to call Paul a liar.

We already have the spiritual mind of Christ. but you misunderstand what that is. It is not to divine hidden messages in His Word. Not at all! Nor is it to receive "new revelation" from heaven as the cultists do. No a spiritual mind we are able to discern, approve, and agree with the written Word

I have never accussed Scott of writing anything contrary to the Word. All I said that started this whole diatribe going was that any "higher spiritual meaning" that contradicts or alters the teachings of the Spiritual Word of god are demonic--and they are.

As it is written, it is the Scriptures that were given to us to maske us complete, furnished unto every good work. I hear from God, I hear Him speak, I also hear our enemy speak. I learn the difference by how these still small voiced confomr to Scripture. God will never contradict His Word with new "higher spiritual meanings".

Scott has never specifically defeined what he means by that. but it is the phraseology nearly all the cults and occults use.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's a huge chip you have on your shoulder.

I think when you deny the work of holy spirit leading us to understanding as we hope to teach others of God's words,as you did in your post 92, you can be seen as someone who ,in insisting what you say is true,does not know what he's talking about.

Well as Ido not deny the Holy Spirit leading us to all understanding- your fasle accusation is misplaced. Nor do I have a chip on my shoulder.

Well I will say it again and this is the entire crux of this and the other thread this was bashed about.

If someone who has received " higher spiritual meaning"( or I could call it by the many other phrases used) and that meaning contradicts or alters the Holy Spirit Inspired Word of God. It is demonic and must be resisted and fought against at all costs. If you think that means I have a chip on my shoulder, so be it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"To our lives" in this world "is but a breath" missing the "the greater works" and the "greater things than these" as promised. You "hinder" and "quench the Spirit." There is a word for that: "Woe!"

What did you think those "greater things than these" meant--nothing "higher?"

"Fools and blind! For which is greater?"

I shall take your condemnations as a badge of honor. I will let my savior judge between you and me. And once again Irepeat the very first instance. If any of your "higher spiritual meanings" contradict the word of God or alters it, they are demonic.

One example is from one of your books that time is an illusion. god showed it is not, I trust Him over you every day.

Lying and accusing is exactly what you have done (here again), and here again with many points of godly reference, I have shown your error, and corrected you with words--not from men--but from God.

Says you, but you have not proven yopurself to be a man of spiritual integrity that I should listen to. Yes I have accussed you and no you cannot show one lie I have printed. If you list one and say it is a lie, and I dig up your words to show I spoke truth, I will push to have you removed from this forum for false accusations

Do you even hear yourself?

Again--"which is greater" the words that are subject to translation and only "spiritually discerned", or the Spirit who inspired them? And which is "higher", words written on parchment rarely agreed to among men, or that which comes directly from God whom is spirit? "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:9).

And yet again, you refer to men and their teachings , while I have told you only what is from God.

The Words are from god HImself and given to men. I take it you do not think much of Paul for He held high the Scriptures as what is needed for our growth, maturity and ability to Work Also Jesus who said His Word would not pass away. It appears you have some kinfd of disdain for the Word of God and instead just "listen to the Spirit as you would call it.

And do you hear your own self? The Word of God was inspired by the Holy Spirit but you debase it because of the frailty of men.

Then you debase the word of God inspired by the very Holy Spirit you so highly regard because men disagree.

Once again let me remind all I have told you , though you arrogantly refuse to read it with knowledge:

Any "higher spiritual meaning" that comes from me, you or any one else that contradicts or alters the Word of God as given to men by god HImself is demonic and must be resisted as wel as those who sout out thopse demonic teachings.

So God HImself told you tell me I am in WOE? You need to watch yourself. You are bordring on idolatry, making yourself your own god. God has ot nor will ever tell you the condition of my soul. And I qoute the Apostle Paul which is also true of me:

2 Timothy 1:12
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Now I have also received a higher spiritual meaning- it says to tell you to be careful you are treading on ground that will crush you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Lying and accusing is exactly what you have done (here again), and here again with many points of godly reference, I have shown your error, and corrected you with words--not from men--but from God.

Let me ask you an honest serious question.

You claimed that you were caught up to the third heaven as Paul was. Since that event, what have you done to spread the love of Jesus. what have you done to advance His kingdom and promote the gospel that saves to people?