"THE WORDS...ARE SPIRIT" version of understanding scripture.

[Lizbeth]

One example is from one of your books that time is an illusion. god showed it is not, I trust Him over you every day.

May I suggest that you seek clarification of what he means. Does God exist in time? Does His kingdom exist in time (wherein we are supposed to walk)? It's not an easy thing to get our little heads around. I seem to have noticed that God's word sometimes is talking from an earthly point of view and other times from an heavenly point of view, and it needs to be rightly divided from which point of view a particular passage is speaking or referring to.

 

[ScottA]

I shall take your condemnations as a badge of honor. I will let my savior judge between you and me. And once again Irepeat the very first instance. If any of your "higher spiritual meanings" contradict the word of God or alters it, they are demonic.

Good, I am glad that you understand the terms of your "savior!"

Because, as seen here below in post #6, that phrase you keep accusing me of--are your words--not mine. Which you have manifest as your own pet peeve, repeatedly making false accusations as a false witness against me--but more importantly against the "higher" "spiritual" ways of God (Isaiah 55:9, John 6:63). Which is therefore, all on you.

Nice non answer. If your higher spiritual meaning contradicts another's higher spiritual meaning are you right or wrong? How does one determine, what basis do you declare someone else's "higher spiritual meaning" right or wrong?

afoolish example. You are given a higher spiritual meaning that pre marital sex is okay. Another is given a higher spiritual meaning that it is wrong. Who i s right and why?

But since the purpose of this thread was to gain understanding, here are some passages you should look at:

• Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. Colossians 3:2
• For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, 18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18
• And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2
• Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.” Ephesians 5:14

 

[ScottA]

Says you, but you have not proven yopurself to be a man of spiritual integrity that I should listen to. Yes I have accussed you and no you cannot show one lie I have printed. If you list one and say it is a lie, and I dig up your words to show I spoke truth, I will push to have you removed from this forum for false accusations
The Words are from god HImself and given to men. I take it you do not think much of Paul for He held high the Scriptures as what is needed for our growth, maturity and ability to Work Also Jesus who said His Word would not pass away. It appears you have some kinfd of disdain for the Word of God and instead just "listen to the Spirit as you would call it.

And do you hear your own self? The Word of God was inspired by the Holy Spirit but you debase it because of the frailty of men.

Then you debase the word of God inspired by the very Holy Spirit you so highly regard because men disagree.

Once again let me remind all I have told you , though you arrogantly refuse to read it with knowledge:

Any "higher spiritual meaning" that comes from me, you or any one else that contradicts or alters the Word of God as given to men by god HImself is demonic and must be resisted as wel as those who sout out thopse demonic teachings.

So God HImself told you tell me I am in WOE? You need to watch yourself. You are bordring on idolatry, making yourself your own god. God has ot nor will ever tell you the condition of my soul. And I qoute the Apostle Paul which is also true of me:

2 Timothy 1:12
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Now I have also received a higher spiritual meaning- it says to tell you to be careful you are treading on ground that will crush you.

More accusations.

 

[ScottA]

Let me ask you an honest serious question.

You claimed that you were caught up to the third heaven as Paul was. Since that event, what have you done to spread the love of Jesus. what have you done to advance His kingdom and promote the gospel that saves to people?

Yes, "serious" is exactly what this is.

I have done nothing but that which I was sent to do. None of which is mine, but His who sent me. "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says."

I will also ask you a question: If you know the scriptures--what have I actually just said to you?

 

[Ziggy]

A good question to ask regarding every word come down from heaven from the Word, showing "the words are Spirit", is:

Are the scriptures the revelation of Jesus Christ, or are they simply howto words about living in this world? In other words, even if "bread" in the scriptures sometimes seems to be just about bread--is it ever really only about bread, as if the world were not passing away and we should settle in to the ways of this world and make sure we have bread for our bellies?

I know, I know--even Jesus got hungry and ate bread! Ah, but was that the only message? Hardly!

Conditions of the heart of mankind.
Some stony, some fallen, and some on good ground.
I believe the words are spiritual, but there is also a worldly narrative.
It can be taken both ways.
Most things that are written we do see with our eyes and hear with our ears and can understand on a carnal basis.
I used to think the OT was the carnal man earthy, and the NT is the spiritual man.
But even in the OT there are traces of the NT. And vice versa.

We are told to be doers and not hearers only.

They went from house to house breaking bread.
I hear this both ways. Literally going house to house and eating bread.
And Spiritually, They went from house to house sharing the Word of the Lord.

Jhn 6:35
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Mat 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Jhn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Sometimes it's just easier to talk the talk than to actually walk the walk and become what God intended us to be.

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