Jesus is a Jew. The apostles are Jews. They haven’t missed the objective of scripture. The Messiah’s worldwide government (which will consist of both Jews and Gentiles) will be centered in Jerusalem and will be without end.
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Jesus is a Jew. The apostles are Jews. They haven’t missed the objective of scripture. The Messiah’s worldwide government (which will consist of both Jews and Gentiles) will be centered in Jerusalem and will be without end.
quietthinker
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I would say Jesus is human; the second Adam born in a particular geography and to a culture as a result of Abraham hearing. He might have been born into Chinese or Indian culture had their forebears listened to God's attempts to connect as did Abraham from Mesopotamia.
Culture matters little. Faith means all. The scripture tells us, 'when the time had fully come, God sent his Son......'
God waited a long time till he found an open and willing participant in Mary to begin to fulfil his long awaited promise to Adam......for all mankind.
The Messiah couldn’t have been born in any other culture. He had to be a descendant of King David and from the tribe of Judah.
quietthinker
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I stand by what I wrote. A non-Jewish Messiah is an obvious counterfeit, having not been sent by God and no ability to save.
Another member of the forum has me thinking about trinitarianism, and I don’t think about trinitarianism without thinking about the architects of trinitarianism. Consider this from one of the major figures in the formation of trinitarian dogma:
”The mind ascends to God not through the accumulation of knowledge, but through the letting go of all that it knows.” - Gregory of Nyssa
I’m not interested in discussing the Trinity in this thread. What interests me in this quote is the idea that the mind needs to let go of all that it knows. That idea, imo, opens the door to misunderstanding.
”The mind ascends to God not through the accumulation of knowledge, but through the letting go of all that it knows.” - Gregory of Nyssa
I’m not interested in discussing the Trinity in this thread. What interests me in this quote is the idea that the mind needs to let go of all that it knows. That idea, imo, opens the door to misunderstanding.
quietthinker
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I guess it depends on context.
Nobody expected Jesus to rise from the dead. None of the disciples did, none of the girls did, Nicodemus and Joseph brought a half million dollars worth of spices to embalm him; they certainly didn't....even while Jesus told them again and agin.
In other words, they had to let go of everything they knew and expected.
It depended on prophecy. And no, they did not have to let go of everything they knew and expected.
quietthinker
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This topic gets complex. Every part must align in God's plan for today and tomorrow.
Who earned the label "cryptic Jew," for a Judahite, or Judean in Jesus' era? No one did. That term stems from 16th-century English Bibles. Germans and some others stuck with "Judean" for Judea residents. Who makes up today's Jews? Why do so many pursue different, worldly aims?
When does God's Kingdom arrive? What work does Jesus do for it right now?
Stay alert to metaphors, similes, and sayings that will twist clear prophecy.
Will the meek claim a fixed physical earth? Or a spiritual realm, like Jesus described simply from the hillside - about the Kingdom of God?
Will the Kingdom launch on earth, in full view on TV, with Jesus seen by people and angels? Sharing space with flawed humans? Or wiping out the old world?
Jesus made it plain: "My kingdom is not of this world." His rule flows from heaven.
Revelation 20:4-6 pictures the beheaded faithful reigning with him now—in spirit, not later on earth.
Ephesians 1:20-22 places Christ at God's right hand, over every power today.
1 Corinthians 15:25 says he must reign until enemies lie crushed beneath him—ongoing.
Colossians 1:13 notes believers already shifted to his Kingdom—a fact now, not someday.
Revelation 20 ties up Satan in a heavenly scene. It stresses spiritual triumph, not earthly control.
The points and talks keep building...
“The promise made to Abraham and his descendants of worldwide Messianic rule, as it was not dependent on circumcision, so also was not dependent on Law, but on a righteousness that was a product of faith. If this worldwide inheritance really depended on any legal system, and if it was limited to those who were under such a system, there would be no place left for Faith or Promise.”
(International Critical Commentary on Romans, p. 109)
”Worldwide Messianic rule” is synonymous with “the kingdom of God”.
The kingdom of God preached by Jesus and the apostles is bound to the Abrahamic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant.
Without the land and the Jewish monarchy there is no kingdom of God. It’s a new world order affecting not just the disciples but the entire earth.
P.S.
It’s not just a coincidence that Matthew begins his Gospel -
“The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
He intends the mind of the reader to recall the covenants God made with David and Abraham.
(International Critical Commentary on Romans, p. 109)
”Worldwide Messianic rule” is synonymous with “the kingdom of God”.
The kingdom of God preached by Jesus and the apostles is bound to the Abrahamic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant.
Without the land and the Jewish monarchy there is no kingdom of God. It’s a new world order affecting not just the disciples but the entire earth.
P.S.
It’s not just a coincidence that Matthew begins his Gospel -
“The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
He intends the mind of the reader to recall the covenants God made with David and Abraham.
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quietthinker
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Context does not contradict Prophecy but it very often contradicts our understanding of Prophecy.
“The Church today must reclaim the biblical emphasis on the blessed hope, the longing for the return of Jesus and the establishment of His glorious future kingdom on earth.
Maranatha. Come, Lord Jesus.”
(Joel Richardson)
Maranatha. Come, Lord Jesus.”
(Joel Richardson)
quietthinker
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He’s my brother. I want to be with him and doing what he will be doing when he returns.
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