Them that are left on earth after Armageddon's destruction

[robert derrick]

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

This is already one simple scripture, that proves there will be them left on earth after the armies are fully destroyed at Armageddon. These will be them the Lord will will rule over at the beginning of His earthly reign.

It is the fulfillment of prophecy of Zechariah 14, that also plainly says so:

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

We know this is not the new earth, because it is them left from among the smitten nations, that did not gather at Armageddon.

Zech 13:

And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

And so, we know this is not the day of the Lord with fire from God burning all flesh and scorching the earth.

Matthew 24:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The Lord's second coming will be as the flood in unexpected surprise and swiftness, not in destruction of all flesh, for after He is on the earth, there will be them taken away with destruction, and others left under His rule.

These are four separate prophecies that the day of the Lord's second return, will be with them left alive to rule over on earth.

And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

The natural sheep left on earth and not taken away as goats, will have opportunity to seek the Lord and walk in His steps, even as today, but without Satan to resist them, as we have now.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

There won't be anyone taking hold of Jew's skirt looking for New Jerusalem on the new earth.

 

[-Phil]

It doesn’t say earth, it says heaven.

 

[robert derrick]

It doesn’t say earth, it says heaven.

Where?

 

[-Phil]

And the armies which were in heaven

 

[Trekson]

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

This is already one simple scripture, that proves there will be them left on earth after the armies are fully destroyed at Armageddon. These will be them the Lord will will rule over at the beginning of His earthly reign.

It is the fulfillment of prophecy of Zechariah 14, that also plainly says so:

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

We know this is not the new earth, because it is them left from among the smitten nations, that did not gather at Armageddon.

Zech 13:

And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

And so, we know this is not the day of the Lord with fire from God burning all flesh and scorching the earth.

Matthew 24:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The Lord's second coming will be as the flood in unexpected surprise and swiftness, not in destruction of all flesh, for after He is on the earth, there will be them taken away with destruction, and others left under His rule.

These are four separate prophecies that the day of the Lord's second return, will be with them left alive to rule over on earth.

And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

The natural sheep left on earth and not taken away as goats, will have opportunity to seek the Lord and walk in His steps, even as today, but without Satan to resist them, as we have now.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

There won't be anyone taking hold of Jew's skirt looking for New Jerusalem on the new earth.

Much of Zech. 14 along w/ Ez. 38 are post mill, imo.

 

[robert derrick]

And the armies which were in heaven.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Good correction.

It also shows, that them alive and remaining on the earth, will not ascend into the air with the resurrected dead in Christ, to meet with the Lord alone.

But rather their mortal bodies will be changed immortal on earth, and then ascend to meet with the Lord and the resurrected dead in Christ.

The bodies of the dead in Christ rise first to them in heaven, and then they follow the Lord down from heaven, to meet with them ascending from earth.

Thanks.

They all then will follow the Lord back to earth, to destroy the armies of war against Him.

 

[robert derrick]

Much of Zech. 14 along w/ Ez. 38 are post mill, imo.

Possibly, even as Isaiah 24 speaks of the day of the cross, the day of the Lord's return, and the day of fire scorching the earth: three separate events of the day of the Lord.

However, the day of the Lord's reign on earth, is before the day of scorching, after His reign on earth ends.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Trekson]

Possibly, even as Isaiah 24 speaks of the day of the cross, the day of the Lord's return, and the day of fire scorching the earth: three separate events of the day of the Lord.

However, the day of the Lord's reign on earth, is before the day of scorching, after His reign on earth ends.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Agreed, but I don't think the cross is considered part of the DoL. Do you have a verse that says it is?

 

[Trekson]

And the armies which were in heaven.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Good correction.

It also shows, that them alive and remaining on the earth, will not ascend into the air with the resurrected dead in Christ, to meet with the Lord alone.

But rather their mortal bodies will be changed immortal on earth, and then ascend to meet with the Lord and the resurrected dead in Christ.

The bodies of the dead in Christ rise first to them in heaven, and then they follow the Lord down from heaven, to meet with them ascending from earth.

Thanks.

They all then will follow the Lord back to earth, to destroy the armies of war against Him.

With all due respect, that makes no sense.

 

[robert derrick]

Agreed, but I don't think the cross is considered part of the DoL. Do you have a verse that says it is?

His coming in the flesh and resurrection is that first day of His on earth:

Acts 2:
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come.

 

[robert derrick]

With all due respect, that makes no sense.

I try to write things as plain as possible.

The dead in Christ, before His coming, will receive their resurrected bodies in heaven.

They are the armies following Him out of heaven into the air in Rev 19.

Them alive and remaining on earth are changed to immortality on earth, and rise to meet Him and them in the air.

Perhaps the bodily resurrection of the saints, is at Rev 6:11.

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Scripture does say, that the bodies of the dead in Christ, will rise first.

It becomes more of an assumption, that them changed immortal on earth is at the same time, and not after a little season of time.

And the ascent of the saints changed on earth, is seen with the two witnesses in Rev 11.

In any case, your correction about the armies that were in heaven, is a good one. Thanks.

 

[Trekson]

His coming in the flesh and resurrection is that first day of His on earth:

Acts 2:
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come.

That is part of the prophecy but that part hasn't been fulfilled yet, only the middle part was/is, Peter was just quoting the whole thing to maintain continuance.

 

[Trekson]

I try to write things as plain as possible.

The dead in Christ, before His coming, will receive their resurrected bodies in heaven.

They are the armies following Him out of heaven into the air in Rev 19.

Them alive and remaining on earth are changed to immortality on earth, and rise to meet Him and them in the air.

Perhaps the bodily resurrection of the saints, is at Rev 6:11.

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Scripture does say, that the bodies of the dead in Christ, will rise first.

It becomes more of an assumption, that them changed immortal on earth is at the same time, and not after a little season of time.

And the ascent of the saints changed on earth, is seen with the two witnesses in Rev 11.

In any case, your correction about the armies that were in heaven, is a good one. Thanks.

The difference in timing between the dead being resurrected and the living christians will be half the blink of an eye, it's the same event, and we will immediately received our new bodies before we get to heaven. Those martyrs of the 5th seal, imo, are the ones who die during the GT and more will come. It's the raptured/resurrected church that arrives in heaven at Rev. 7:9 and vs. 14 tells us where they came from. The countless numbers are not all martyrs, it just seems that the latest to die are in the front rows and are the ones visible to John.

 

[Davy]

And so, we know this is not the day of the Lord with fire from God burning all flesh and scorching the earth.

But YES IT IS "the day of the Lord" when God's consuming fire will end this present world on the day of Christ's future coming.

In Revelation 16:15 Jesus said He comes "as a thief", and then He reveals the gathering of the armies against Jerusalem with Armageddon, and then the 7th Vial of God's Wrath is poured out into the air.

In Matthew 24:42-47, the Scripture you misrepresented, Jesus gives us that 'as a thief' metaphor about the day and hour of His coming...

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

 

[-Phil]

Armageddon isn’t an actual happening, it points to the end of what seems to have happened but never actually did.

 

[robert derrick]

That is part of the prophecy but that part hasn't been fulfilled yet, only the middle part was/is, Peter was just quoting the whole thing to maintain continuance.

Those calling on the Lord to be saved is after the notable day of the Lord comes, which is after His resurrection, and also have His second coming.

It cannot be with fire down from heaven to burn all, and so fire down from heaven cannot be the day of the Lord confirmed by Peter of Joel.

(Since the hoplite has red horse hair, then it may be a Spartan.)

 

[Trekson]

Those calling on the Lord to be saved is after the notable day of the Lord comes, which is after His resurrection, and also have His second coming.

It cannot be with fire down from heaven to burn all, and so fire down from heaven cannot be the day of the Lord confirmed by Peter of Joel.

(Since the hoplite has red horse hair, then it may be a Spartan.)

There are many events associated w/ the DoL as it is over 1000 yrs. long. The fire event you speak of isn't until sometime after the end of the millennium. The DoL begins w/ the signs of the 6th seal. Acts 2:21 may actually be how the 144,000 come to be.

 

[robert derrick]

The difference in timing between the dead being resurrected and the living christians will be half the blink of an eye, it's the same event,

True.

and we will immediately received our new bodies before we get to heaven.

Them alive on earth are changed in a moment, and ascend into the air to meet with the Lord, which is the same as the two witnesses in Rev 11.

I believe the dead in Christ, that are already in the presence of the Lord at His altar in heaven, will receive their resurrected bodies, and be the armies coming with Him out of heaven, to meet with them ascending from the earth.

Since they all come with clouds, I believe that is when the sun and moon are darkened, and the inhabitants remaining on the earth are in darkness over all the earth.

Those martyrs of the 5th seal, imo, are the ones who die during the GT and more will come.

The great tribulation of the saints has been since Cain slew righteous Abel. The last days of our tribulation began with Jesus' resurrection.

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

And, behold, as thy life was much set by this day in mine eyes, so let my life be much set by in the eyes of the LORD, and let him deliver me out of all tribulation.

The greatest tribulation any saint has on earth, is the great tribulation of that day.

The end of these last days will be the rise of the last great antichrist beast, and the resurrection of the saints at the Lord's return.

There is the tribulation and wrath of the devil and wicked men upon the righteous, which purifies the faithful, and then there is the tribulation and wrath of God upon all the wicked, that punishes them.

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile.

It's the raptured/resurrected church that arrives in heaven at Rev. 7:9 and vs. 14 tells us where they came from.

True. That is all the saints of all time since Abel, today, and during Christ's reign, that will stand before God and the Lamb.

I believe that is just prior to New Jerusalem coming down onto the new earth, and just after the final judgment of the Lamb's book of life, because there is no hint nor sense of any of the wicked being anywhere around.

The countless numbers are not all martyrs, it just seems that the latest to die are in the front rows and are the ones visible to John.

All saints are martyrs in that we must crucify our old man and life of sin. That is why all resurrected saint are said to have been beheaded for the word and testimony of God.

Since Paul plainly speaks of all the dead in Christ, and them remaining alive on earth, will have part in that first resurrection, then being beheaded must be spiritual in nature.

He is said to have been physically beheaded as a Roman, but not all Christians are bodily killed for the faith, though we ought all be willing.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Every saint in Christ Jesus must behead the old man from having rule over our life, and welcome the Headship of Jesus over His own body of flesh and bone on earth.

He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

 

[robert derrick]

But YES IT IS "the day of the Lord" when God's consuming fire will end this present world on the day of Christ's future coming.

It is the day of the Lord, but not that one of Jesus' second coming. The day of fire of God from heaven is at the end of His reign.

In Revelation 16:15 Jesus said He comes "as a thief", and then He reveals the gathering of the armies against Jerusalem with Armageddon, and then the 7th Vial of God's Wrath is poured out into the air.

All the great tribulation and wrath of God upon the earth, will be from the Lord and His saints in the air, before they come down to slaughter the armies at Armageddon without mercy.

It's the prepping barrage, such as hailstones, for His D-Day invasion to take back His own earth for Himself, to be King over His earthly kingdom.

The 7th vial is the last of God's tribulation and wrath upon the earth, and the Lord descends with His saints, and the greatest earthquake ever is the Lord standing upon Olivet and cleaving it in two, to make the valley unto Azal, and splits jerusalem into three parts.

In Matthew 24:42-47, the Scripture you misrepresented, Jesus gives us that 'as a thief' metaphor about the day and hour of His coming...

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

True. But you did not finish the Scripture.

This is about the faithful alive and remaining on earth, as well as them naming Christ, that are not watchful nor faithful, but return to sinning with the sinners of the world.

They will not be changed and ascend to meet the Lord in the air with the good faithful Christians.

There may be many of those hypocrites gathering to be slaughtered with the armies against Lord, but the rest of them will be judged as the goats they are, and executed from the earth.

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The faithful ascending to meet the Lord in the air are not appointed to tHis tribulation and wrath to now come, but the unfaithful sinners will be appointed to it, alone with the rest of the unbelievers on earth.

The fact that Zech 14 and Rev 19 plainly say there will be those left on earth, to be ruled over by Christ, after the day of His battle at Armageddon, ends any real debate about His second coming, being also the day of fire from God burning all flesh and the the earth.

The day of the Lord is the day of His first coming in the flesh, the day His second coming with power, and the day of His fire coming down to melt all the elements of the old heaven and earth.

To say the prophesied day of the Lord only pertains to His fire from heaven, is to plainly reject Peter in Acts 2, confirming it first was Jesus' days of His flesh.

 

[Davy]

It is the day of the Lord, but not that one of Jesus' second coming. The day of fire of God from heaven is at the end of His reign.

That is not written. Peter was quoting from the OT prophets about God's consuming fire happening on the "day of the Lord". God even gave analogies to His ending of this present world on that day by His fire linked to that "day of the Lord". Along with that, He showed His taking reign over all the earth at that point. One of the best prophet examples of that when Jesus returns and takes reign over all nations is in Zechariah 14.

So nah, that "day of the Lord" event does NOT happen after Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

You are confusing the destruction of the leftover unsaved nations that Satan will lead up against the "camp of the saints" after he is loosed one final time, after the Rev.20 "thousand years". That event will be a separate event of God's fire burning ONLY those nations that come up against the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city".

God's consuming fire on the "day of the Lord" that Apostle Peter is pointing to in 2 Peter 3:10, is about God burning all of MAN'S WORKS off the surface of this earth on the LAST DAY of this world. It will end the great tribulation, and is also what the "last trump" change of all those still alive on earth to the spiritual body, ushering in Christ's gathering of His faithful Church, and starting His thousand years reign over all nations.