There is no spiritual gift called "the gift of tongues".

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The little flock will be changed into immortal spirit beings and go to heaven. The great crowd and resurrected ones who are not anointed will be mortal on earth.
Heya Keiw.

So there is a group, “flock” some will be changed, and some will not be changed…

How do you equate this scripture?

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

We are told that all will be changed, not a small group.
 
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You are.
Your cult has a changed bible and they changed it to deny the deity of Jesus.
Catholicism altered the bible to fit false council teachings. Every trinity translation on earth is filled with contradictions of what Jesus teaches. They as well removed Gods name by satans will and replaced it with titles-to mislead and its doing just that. The JW bible put Gods name back in support of Gods will over satans will and corrected the errors.
 
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Heya Keiw.

So there is a group, “flock” some will be changed, and some will not be changed…

How do you equate this scripture?

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

We are told that all will be changed, not a small group.
The darkness teaches all will be changed,--Rev 14:3= 144,000 are bought from the earth. = the little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed bride of Christ. These will sit on thrones-Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6
The great crowd( Rev 7:9) no man can number are the other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold, they receive this promise-Matt 5:5, Psalm 37:29

At Luke 22:29-30 at the Lords evening meal, Jesus made a special covenant to only those who will sit on thrones to partake of the emblems, the great crowd does not partake, its a major sin for them to partake. Only members of the little flock were present at the Lords evening meal.
The remaining few little flock on earth will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation. The rest have been resurrected to heaven when Jesus got his crown at Rev 6:2)

Back when Jesus was on earth he said--Some of you( little flock) will never taste death. He wasn't speaking to those personally because they all died. He was referring to the little flock alive during the tribulation.
 
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You are.
Your cult has a changed bible and they changed it to deny the deity of Jesus.
Actually in the Greek lexicons at both John 1:1 and 2Cor 4:4-= the only 2 spots in the NT where more than 1 is called God or god in the same paragraph. And to show the difference of what one was being called at both spots the true God is called-- Ton Theon-- = God--both others are called-- Theon--= god, when in the same paragraph with Ton Theon.
The trinity scholars know 100% that is fact, yet will say nothing-Why? Because those religions would all be proved false religion and they would lose billions of dollars every year free money and when 2 billion humans found out they knew and were taking their money would get sued by 2 billion humans on top of losing all of that intake for free.
 

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Catholicism altered the bible to fit false council teachings. Every trinity translation on earth is filled with contradictions of what Jesus teaches. They as well removed Gods name by satans will and replaced it with titles-to mislead and its doing just that. The JW bible put Gods name back in support of Gods will over satans will and corrected the errors.
I don’t subscribe to any denominations, we were told not to..

We are also told who is not against us is for us…

I do not like the fact JW’s believe that some will be on earth and some in heaven. That means you have set a limit on who can get into heaven.

You were told “WOE” on doing this.

Matt 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
 
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The darkness teaches all will be changed,--Rev 14:3= 144,000 are bought from the earth. = the little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed bride of Christ. These will sit on thrones-Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6
The great crowd( Rev 7:9) no man can number are the other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold, they receive this promise-Matt 5:5, Psalm 37:29

At Luke 22:29-30 at the Lords evening meal, Jesus made a special covenant to only those who will sit on thrones to partake of the emblems, the great crowd does not partake, its a major sin for them to partake. Only members of the little flock were present at the Lords evening meal.
The remaining few little flock on earth will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation. The rest have been resurrected to heaven when Jesus got his crown at Rev 6:2)

Back when Jesus was on earth he said--Some of you( little flock) will never taste death. He wasn't speaking to those personally because they all died. He was referring to the little flock alive during the tribulation.
I don’t subscribe to any denominations, we were told not to..

We are also told who is not against us is for us…

I do not like the fact JW’s believe that some will be on earth and some in heaven. That means you have set a limit on who can get into heaven.

You were told “WOE” on doing this.

Matt 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
The darkness teaches all will be changed
I do not understand this…

It was Paul who said all will be changed… Who our what is this darkness in which you speak.
 
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Actually in the Greek lexicons at both John 1:1 and 2Cor 4:4-= the only 2 spots in the NT where more than 1 is called God or god in the same paragraph. And to show the difference of what one was being called at both spots the true God is called-- Ton Theon-- = God--both others are called-- Theon--= god, when in the same paragraph with Ton Theon.
The trinity scholars know 100% that is fact, yet will say nothing-Why? Because those religions would all be proved false religion and they would lose billions of dollars every year free money and when 2 billion humans found out they knew and were taking their money would get sued by 2 billion humans on top of losing all of that intake for free.
pot <> kettle big time.
Watchtower changed the bible to support their erroneous mess.
Get an old copy of the watchtower "bible" (pssssst, there ain't none)
They used to quote AT Robinson who is a greek scholar to authenticate their butcher job in the gospel of John.
Mr Robinson had to threaten a lawsuit to get those watchtower heretics to remove his name from that ridiculous assertion.
That's why you don't see older watchtower bibles.
( just so you know watchtower is a corrupt institution)
 
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Now, concerning spiritual gifts:

"...There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."
— (1 Corinthians 12:4-11).

We can see from the scripture that one of these spiritual gifts is a gift called divers kinds of tongues. It is followed with another spiritual gift called interpretation of tongues. Wherefore, there is no spiritual gift which causes Christians to speak with tongues called "the gift of tongues". But, there is a gift called divers kinds of tongues which causes some Christians to speak with diversities of tongues. Which means many different kinds of tongues, not just one. Though every Christian has the gift of the Holy Ghost (for if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his), not every Christian has the gift of divers kinds of tongues; or the gift of interpretation of tongues. This is why it is written in the scripture that God:
You contradicted yourself? (highlighted)

Maybe you're just being overly technical? "Divers kinds of tongues" is a mouthful (pun intended), so of course people are going to shorten it down to just "tongues."
 
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I don’t subscribe to any denominations, we were told not to..

We are also told who is not against us is for us…

I do not like the fact JW’s believe that some will be on earth and some in heaven. That means you have set a limit on who can get into heaven.

You were told “WOE” on doing this.

Matt 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Rev 14:3 is clear-144,000 are bought from the earth.
 
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I do not understand this…

It was Paul who said all will be changed… Who our what is this darkness in which you speak.
Twisting what Paul said--Prov 2:21-22 assures that some remain on earth.= The great crowd.
 

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pot <> kettle big time.
Watchtower changed the bible to support their erroneous mess.
Get an old copy of the watchtower "bible" (pssssst, there ain't none)
They used to quote AT Robinson who is a greek scholar to authenticate their butcher job in the gospel of John.
Mr Robinson had to threaten a lawsuit to get those watchtower heretics to remove his name from that ridiculous assertion.
That's why you don't see older watchtower bibles.
( just so you know watchtower is a corrupt institution)
The NWT is correct.
 
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Twisting what Paul said--Prov 2:21-22 assures that some remain on earth.= The great crowd.
I have twisted nothing…

Here is the scripture…
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

This clearly says “all” shall be changed.

You said only some shall be changed…

Paul didn’t twist scripture, neither did I, you did!
 
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I have twisted nothing…

Here is the scripture…
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

This clearly says “all” shall be changed.

You said only some shall be changed…

Paul didn’t twist scripture, neither did I, you did!
Paul was a member of the little flock. That is who he was referring to, the little flock.
 

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That’s not the tongues of Acts, because I didn’t understand a word of what she said… I went to a Pentecostal church, for a while… and I spoke in tongues, only thing is, all I did was mimic what the other people were doing… badashadade olamakhade la shamalaladada.

That’s not speaking in tongues… But I also have much documentation from former believers on the subject..

I LEFT THE TONGUES MOVEMENT BECAUSE OF:

1. Sincere convictions regarding their doctrines, emphases, and practices.
2. An unsound biblical basis for their doctrine of the Holy Spirit.
3. An over-emphasis of one gift of the Holy Spirit.
4. An under-emphasis of other doctrines.
5. Their "experience" orientation.
6. The undermining of the personality of the Holy Spirit.
7. Spiritual pride and disunity produced by their doctrine.
8. The teaching that tongues-speaking is a sign of spirituality and even of salvation.
9. Sign-seeking instead of faith.
10. Questionable activities practised and condoned.
11. The fear of questioning the so-called activities of the Holy Spirit.
12. The view that the Corinthian church was a model church.
13. The danger of claiming extra-biblical revelation.
14. The excesses and deceptive practices condoned in divine healing campaigns.
15. The tendency to blind, unquestioning devotion to popular leaders.
16. The possibility that the Charismatic Movement will be instrumental in producing the prophesied world ecumenical church of the last days.
17. Their distortion of the true Spirit-filled life."

Acts 2:5-11

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5 There were some godly Jews in Jerusalem at this time. They were from every country in the world. 6 A large crowd came together because they heard the noise. They were surprised because, as the apostles were speaking, everyone heard in their own language.
7 They were all amazed at this. They did not understand how the apostles could do this. They said, “Look! These men we hear speaking are all from Galilee.[a] 8 But we hear them in our own languages. How is this possible? We are from all these different places: 9 Parthia, Media, Elam, Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, the areas of Libya near the city of Cyrene, Rome, 11 Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others have changed their religion to worship God like Jews. We are from these different countries, but we can hear these men in our own languages! We can all understand the great things they are saying about God.”

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As far as the belief in tongues I did not come to faith Pentecostal Holiness because of the tongues. But because of the wonderful lives they lived. Especially as the married couples had happy homes.

"No such thing as a divorce was known among them" -George Clark Rankin... The Story of My Life Or More Than a Half Century As I Have Lived It and Seen It Lived Written by Myself at My Own Suggestion and That of Many Others Who Have Known and Loved Me

CHAPTER III An Old-Time Election in East Tennessee, and Else

In the earlier days, long before the railroads ran through that section, East Tennessee was a country to itself. Its topography made it such. Its people were a peculiar people - rugged, honest and unique. I doubt if their kind was ever known under other circumstances. Hundreds of them were well-to-do, and now and then, in the more fertile communities, there was actual wealth. Especially was this true along the beautiful water-courses where the farm lands are unequaled, even to this good day.

Among them were people of intelligence and high ideals. No country could boast of a finer grade of men and women than lived and flourished in portions of that "Switzerland of America." Their ministers and lawyers and politicians were men of unusual talent. Some of the most eloquent men produced in the United States were born and flourished in East Tennessee.

Those evergreen hills and sun-tipped mountains, covered with a verdant forest in summer and gorgeously decorated with every variety of autumnal hue in the fall and winter; those foaming rivers and leaping cascades; the scream of the eagle by day and the weird hoot of the owl by night - all these natural environments conspired to make men hardy and their speech pictorial and romantic. As a result, there were among them men of native eloquence, veritable sons of thunder in the pulpit, before the bar, and on the hustings.

But far back from these better advantages of soil and institutions of learning, in the gorges, on the hills, along the ravines and amid the mountains, the great throbbing masses of the people were of a different type and belonged almost to another civilization. They were rugged, natural and picturesque. With exceptions, they were not people of books; they did not know the art of letters; they were simple, crude, sincere and physically brave. They enjoyed the freedom of the hills, the shadows of the rocks and the grandeur of the mountains. They were a robust set of men and women, whose dress was mostly homespun, whose muscles were tough, whose countenances were swarthy, and whose rifles were their defense. They took an interest in whatever transpired in their own localities and in the more favored sections of their more fortunate neighbors. They were social, and practiced the law of reciprocity long before Uncle Sam tried to establish it between this country and Canada.

Who among us, having lived in that garden spot of the world, can ever forget the old-fashioned house-raisings, the rough and tumble log-rollings, the frosty corn-shuckings, the road-workings and the quilting-bees?

And when the day's work was over - then the supper - after that the fiddle and the bow, and the old Virginia reel. None but a registered East Tennessean, in his memory, can do justice to experiences like those. No such things ever happened in just that way anywhere on the face of the earth except in that land of the skies.

Therefore, the man who even thinks of those East Tennesseans as sluggards and ignoramuses who got nothing out of life is wide of the mark. They had sense of the horse kind; and they were people of good though crude morals. No such thing as a divorce was known among them. It was rare that one of them ever went to jail in our section; and, if he did, he was disgraced for life. I never knew, in my boyhood, of but one man going to the penitentiary and it was a shock to the whole country.
"The survey showed that divorce varied somewhat by a person’s denominational affiliation. Catholics were substantially less likely than Protestants to get divorced (25% versus 39%, respectively). Among the largest Protestant groups, those most likely to get divorced were Pentecostals (44%) while Presbyterians had the fewest divorces (28%)."

 
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