They don't just want acceptance...they want to rule the world.

[justbyfaith]

Believe it or not, @Nancy, I do care about and love the homosexual; and I also believe that they can be redeemed (1 Corinthians 6:11 is clear on that).

I didn't know that that was a part of you. But I do not judge you for having those inclinations as long as you don't act on them. I do believe that the Lord is able to even change your "orientation" back to that which is natural for all created beings; even if you consider that such a thing might be a miracle. I believe that sex is designed for procreation; the pleasure that is derived from it is only a side-benefit for those who operate within the confines of God's construct of marriage between a man and woman. I don't think that if you have an "orientation" that is not according to God's natural design, that sex within God's order of natural design will be any less pleasurable. God created it to produce pleasure. I believe that people forsake God's natural design because the alternative that they turn to in their eye produces more pleasure. There is a pleasure that comes from unrighteousness for many, 2 Thessalonians 2:12, Hebrews 11:25. The question is whether we deign the reproach of Christ a greater reward than the pleasures of sin for a season.

 

[JohnPaul]

Where have I said, ever that homosexuality is OKAY??? Read into whatever you want, I'm done here. This forum has brought me more strife and division as of late. You think you have it all down pat and actually think you know all about a gay person. You know nothing and I will love them whether you do or not. I NEVER gave a pass to anyone gay, NOT even myself so. There, since I still do NOT have any sexual attraction to men, yet remain celibate as I believe God told me that His grace IS sufficient, so do many others! But, there is STILL hatred and disgust for the person. Judge away.

Wow Nancy I didn’t know, please pray to God, homosexuality is a sin, please sister grasp your inner most self, God made man and women to procreate.

 

[Giuliano]

Just slightly more than 4,800 people. I dunno, I suspect there might have been a fair representation there somewhere..…. since there was probably not a single sexual deviation that was not in evidence.

But you saw only people who had mental problems, right? What about the gay people how never went for therapy of any kind?

 

[Giuliano]

Wow Nancy I didn’t know, please pray to God, homosexuality is a sin, please sister grasp your inner most self, God made man and women to procreate.

Was God disappointed that Jesus didn't marry and have kids?

 

[Willie T]

But you saw only people who had mental problems, right? What about the gay people how never went for therapy of any kind?

No, I hardly ever saw anyone who was in therapy. Maybe two or three a year.

 

[Helen]

It may be immodest and even prideful to say this, but I will hold my decades of face-to-face experience in this field up against anyone's here. And I will tell you, right out, that early and initial sexual experiences very greatly and deeply influence the future development of almost any person. So, "Yes" molestation at an early age (whether overtly malevolent or "unaware" grooming [seduction] ) has a great deal to do with a person leaning toward homosexual desires and behavior in later life.

Agree....seen it true and proven in the extended family....

 

[Giuliano]

No, I hardly ever saw anyone who was in therapy. Maybe two or three a year.

What kind of people did you see? What factors determined that?

 

[Helen]

The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination:

• Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
• Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
• Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
• Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
• Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
• Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
• A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
• (Pro. 6:16-17)
• A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
• Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
• A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
• Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
• A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
• A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
• Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
• A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
• Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
• The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
• The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
• The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
• Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
• Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
• Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
• Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
• Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
• Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
• Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
• Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) See GayPrejudice.com
• Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
• Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
• Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
• Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
• Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See GayPrejudice.com
• Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
• Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
• Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
• Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
• Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
• Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
• Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
• Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
• Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
• Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
• Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
• Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
• Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
• Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)

It is abundantly clear from scripture that ALL SIN is considered an abomination by God. While one can debate degrees of seriousness and punishment for sin, it is clear that, according to the Bible, ALL sin is an abomination!

And just these few out of the list , are right up there WITH homosexuality ...which we are so quick to condemn in others , yet these "harmless" sin below are right there on the list too...

Guilty or one...guilty of all, O ye who chose to live under the law. Try these for size.

A proud look

A sower of discord

Oppression of others,

Hardness of heart

 

[Helen]

Whatever sins you commit that are an abomination, as you have defined them. So, you seem to be saying that it is okay to commit an abomination before God.

Oh come on bro..get real...you are so often arrogant and self-righteous...
If Grace was not there as your cover...you would be on God's same list!

It doesn't matter how "good and correct " you believe that you are....
You are NOT holy.
The only holiness you have is the holiness of Christ...you have NONE!!

The way that you post to other it sounds like 'others' just don't get it..neither do they measure up...but you do!!

News flash ,.... you don't!!!

 

[justbyfaith]

So you are saying that you don't think that the following scriptures apply to me...

Heb 3:1, Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Psa 86:2, Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

 

[Helen]

So you are saying that you don't think that the following scriptures apply to me...

Heb 3:1, Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Psa 86:2, Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

You don't address who you are talking to...that would be helpful here.

 

[justbyfaith]

You don't address who you are talking to...that would be helpful here.

You.

 

[Willie T]

What kind of people did you see? What factors determined that?

I worked for a psychologist who ran a court mandated Behavioral Modification Program. People who were either accused of, or convicted of any sort of sexual crime (anything from casual indecent activity, to public urination, to drunken exposure, to mutually consensual teenage copulation, to homophobic hate crimes, to Child Molestation, all the way up to rape). He used REBT, and my task (along with a half dozen others who worked for him) was to teach his clients the fundamentals of REBT, how to understand it in everyday language, and how to implement it in their lives.
If they ran afoul of the law, we usually saw them for an extended period of time. (One man convicted of having pornographic material on his computer was in our program for 12 years.) Most were people accused of Child Molestation.... and, surprisingly, about 80% of those were eventually proven innocent. (There are an enormous number of women who put their children up to saying the step-father "touched" them.) Usually nasty divorce situations.

 

[Giuliano]

I worked for a psychologist who ran a court mandated Behavioral Modification Program. People who were either accused of, or convicted of any sort of sexual crime (anything from casual indecent activity, to public urination, to drunken exposure, to mutually consensual teenage copulation, to homophobic hate crimes, to Child Molestation, all the way up to rape). He used REBT, and my task (along with a half dozen others who worked for him) was to teach his clients the fundamentals of REBT, how to understand it in everyday language, and how to implement it in their lives.
If they ran afoul of the law, we usually saw them for an extended period of time. (One man convicted of having pornographic material on his computer was in our program for 12 years.) Most were people accused of Child Molestation.... and, surprisingly, about 80% of those were eventually proven innocent. (There are an enormous number of women who put their children up to saying the step-father "touched" them.) Usually nasty divorce situations.

So you saw people who were dysfunctional enough to run into legal problems. That means there could be gay people without a history of being molested that you didn't see.

 

[Willie T]

So you saw people who were dysfunctional enough to run into legal problems. That means there could be gay people without a history of being molested that you didn't see.

Please, feel free to come up with any conclusion you feel will fit your position. You should know by now that I don't often let myself get drawn into the silly arguments concocted here. LOL

 

[Helen]

So you are saying that you don't think that the following scriptures apply to me...

Heb 3:1, Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Psa 86:2, Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Yes I am.

You are obviously not understanding what I am saying in post number 51.

YOU personally are not Holy via what you have done or how you live day to day. None of that 'makes' you holy in the eyes of God. If it did then no one in the OT would have needed the blood of bulls and goats ...

Every one of us is holy in the eyes of the Lord BECAUSE of what JESUS did.
If you...by the things you do or do not do, do not earn brownie points from God...

You posts come across as if you are righteous by your choices and actions.

But by the grace of God..you, me, and anyone else is found clean in the eyes of the Father. Through the blood of Jesus. ✟

The verses you quote above are to 'us' IN CHRIST...not we ourselves . ( which He sees as dead , and we should too)

 

[Giuliano]

Please, feel free to come up with any conclusion you feel will fit your position. You should know by now that I don't often let myself get drawn into the silly arguments concocted here. LOL

The way it looks to me, you are the person who seemed to rush in forming a conclusion.

I don't have real numbers; but I do know about how some jobs affect certain professions which deal with problematical people. It can be depressing to be a policeman if almost everyone you meet every day is involved in crime of some sort. Parole and probation officers also burn out and are apt to become highly suspicious of everyone they meet. Doctors and nurse can burn out being around sick and dying people.

All I'm saying is that while I believe you that many of the gays you saw had been molested, I would not assume that held true in society in general. I would add too that if the perpetrator is a priest or minister from a church that teaches gay sex is horrible, the child is receiving conflicting messages: On one hand, he is being victimized by the clergy; on the other, he's made to feel guilt and shame.

I've noticed a trend of sorts -- the Catholic Church seems extremely hung up on homosexuality -- and the children molested by priests often act wounded years later. Some are bitter. It also seems that some of these children are embarrassed to tell their parents about adult molesters. Something is wrong there with the parents too. I've heard of some cases where the child does tell his parents; and he's mostly calm about it, just wants them to do something to stop it. The parents go into a mental collapse as if the world ended; and that creates more stress for the child. Some children think their parents are upset with them. The more hysterical a church is over sex, the more severely it seems to affect children who were molested -- and the more cases seem to swept under the rug often for decades.

 

[Waiting on him]

Homosexuality is a mental illness and should be treated as such, they need to be treated by psychiatrists and specialist, but you can no longer do that, back in the day you could.

God created nothing more beautiful than the female, without whom we can not exist.

Sick indecent deviant behavior.

During world war 2 era it was acceptable for law officials to order chemical cast-oration. Do you see this an acceptable practice?

 

[Waiting on him]

Stop calling it a choice: Biological factors drive homosexuality

 

[Waiting on him]

Stop calling it a choice: Biological factors drive homosexuality