I don't believe you do....You would have God in the midst of His Own assembly worshiping Himself.
You remind me of Jesus speaking to the Samaritan women "you do not know what you worship".
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I don't believe you do....You would have God in the midst of His Own assembly worshiping Himself.
You remind me of Jesus speaking to the Samaritan women "you do not know what you worship".
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Johann
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Unfortunately. F2F, I will never follow you and your strange voice.
He knew what was in man - This he did because he had made all Joh_1:3, and because he was God, Joh_1:1. There can be no higher evidence than this that he was omniscient, and was therefore divine. To search the heart is the prerogative of God alone Jer_17:10; and as Jesus knew what was in “these disciples,” and as it is expressly said that he knew what was in man - that is, in “all people” - so it follows that he must be equal with God. As he knows “all,” he is acquainted with the false pretentions and professions of hypocrites. None can deceive him. He also knows the wants and desires of all his real friends. He hears their groans, he sees their sighs, he counts their tears, and in the day of need will come to their relief.
testify = bear witness. See note on Joh_1:7.
what was in man. This attribute elsewhere attributed only to Jehovah (Jer_17:10; Jer_20:12). Here this knowledge was universal ("all", Joh_2:24), and individual ("man ").
For he himself knew (autos gar eginōsken). Imperfect active, “for he himself kept on knowing” as he did from the start.
What was in man (ti ēn en tōi anthrōpōi). Indirect question with estin of the direct changed to the imperfect ēn, a rare idiom in the Koiné. This supernatural knowledge of man is a mark of deity. Some men of genius can read men better than others, but not in the sense meant here.
for he knew what was in man; which none but the spirit of a man can know; his inward thoughts, the secrets of the heart; thus Christ knew the thoughts of the Scribes and Pharisees, Mat_9:4, being a discerner of the thoughts, and intents of the heart, Heb_4:12. This Apollonius Tyaneus, the ape of Christ, ascribed to himself (o); but is what is peculiar to God; and Christ being God, knows all that is in man; that there is no good in him naturally, nothing but what comes from his Father, is imparted by himself, or implanted by his Spirit; he knows the wickedness there is in man, that his heart is deceitful and desperately wicked, and full of all manner of iniquities; he knows in what condition all the and faculties of the souls of men are; what their affections are set upon, on earthly or heavenly things; whether there is any light in their understandings, or not; whether their wills are subdued and resigned to the will of God, or not; whether their minds and consciences are defiled, or their hearts are sprinkled from an evil conscience; in short, whether the internal good work of grace is begun upon their souls, or not; and he knows the secret springs of all actions, good and bad; all which prove his true and proper deity, and show him to be a suitable Saviour of sinners, and qualify him to be the Judge of the whole earth.
And needed not any information concerning the principles and humours of all men; for he perfectly knew men, not only from their more external acts and behaviours, (as we know them), but he knew what was in them, searching the hearts, and trying the reins, which is the property of God alone, 1Ki_8:39 Psa_33:15. Here what we formerly observed is again observable, that oft times in holy writ, for the further confirmation of a proposition, to a universal affirmative is added a contrary negative. Here ariseth a question, agitated between the Lutherans and the Calvinists, Whether Christ as man knew all things, and what is in the heart of man. They affirm it, because of the personal union of the Divine and human natures in Christ. We say, that although there be such a personal union, yet the properties of each nature remain distinct; upon which account Christ denieth that he, as the Son of man, knew the day and hour of the end of the world. Besides, by the same reason that omniscience belongeth to the human nature of Christ, omnipotence, infiniteness, and omnipresence, also must; which last indeed they affirm, seeing that without it they were not able to defend their doctrine of consubstantiation, or the presence of the body and blood of Christ, wherever the sacrament of his supper is administered; but this being a matter polemical, we shall not here discourse it. Those who would be satisfied as to what is said on either side, may find enough in Gerard, Hunnius, and Farnovius, on the Lutherans’ side; and in Zanchius and others on the Calvinists’ side, Zanchius de Natura and Attributis Dei, lib. 3. cap. 2. qu. 16.
You better read carefully because Christ was both Son of man/Man and God i.e. a dual nature, before the resurrection, and after the resurrection.
On this forum the pendulum has swung too far left, influenced by Arminian/ Calvinist viewpoints.
I know my Lord God and Savior Christ Jesus and He knows me and I am not here to please man nor am I afraid of the face of man.
On this platform Christ has been reduced to a mere creature and man deified, time for true believers to man up and debunk these foreign doctrines coming from such as yourself.
If my own doctrines are not in one accord with the scriptures I am in danger of everlasting damnation and everlasting burnings, no cessation of the soul, also debunked by many on this forum.
Repent, and come back to Christ.
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Johann
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You mean according to your creeds which you have many. I have shown you what is good and the Scripture is overwhelmingly true that the Christ is not God.
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Johann
Guest
You are in error, to blind to see that, reducing our great God and Savior Jesus Christ to a mere creature and deifying yourself.
This is also true for others who hold the same heteros doctrines such as yourself
Now that you are in a corner you want to blame shift, like Adam and Eve, and point to me?
J.
Taken
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This is why most believe that Jesus is a Man/Son and not God.
OP ^
In short;
Same reason a little child would look and see Bruce Jenner and call him a woman.
Jesus APPEARED to the eyes of Earthly men, in a FASHION, LIKENESS, for eyes of Earthly men, TO SEE.
The fact is: APPEARANCE IS expressly the outside that Earthly Eyes CAN see.
The fact is: WHAT IS the expressly unseen inside of Jesus was Revealed.
Individuals have freewill, to TRUST their EYES, (and teach Jesus IS a human earthly created man of DUST)
OR KNOW Jesus IS the TRUE WORD of God, and IS the Christ Spirit POWER of God...without beginning or ending.
Huge differences in BIBLE Versions...
TRUTH...Appearance in the LIKENESS, AS A Human earthly man.
Or
FALSE...IS a Human earthly man. (And laughably explained away in a mathematical equation...100% human, 100% spiritual)
OP ^
In short;
Same reason a little child would look and see Bruce Jenner and call him a woman.
Jesus APPEARED to the eyes of Earthly men, in a FASHION, LIKENESS, for eyes of Earthly men, TO SEE.
The fact is: APPEARANCE IS expressly the outside that Earthly Eyes CAN see.
The fact is: WHAT IS the expressly unseen inside of Jesus was Revealed.
Individuals have freewill, to TRUST their EYES, (and teach Jesus IS a human earthly created man of DUST)
OR KNOW Jesus IS the TRUE WORD of God, and IS the Christ Spirit POWER of God...without beginning or ending.
Huge differences in BIBLE Versions...
TRUTH...Appearance in the LIKENESS, AS A Human earthly man.
Or
FALSE...IS a Human earthly man. (And laughably explained away in a mathematical equation...100% human, 100% spiritual)
Wow, you missed the point of that record entirely Johann. Rather than copy and paste content, keep your comments to a minimum that way people can grab onto to what you are saying rather than reading through other peoples work. Jesus understood what was in man yes, because he was given the power of insight, but more importantly because he himself was a man and therefore needed no one to testify concerning the wickedness of man. Put away your trinitarian doctrines and allow the text to speak to you in truth. Also Jesus doesn't need to be divine to search men's hearts - where do you get this stuff from? Dont you remember Jesus saying DONT CALL ME GOOD?
Boy at every turn you bring out Nicaean Doctrines.
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Johann
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I am right here, you want to correct me or are you in agreement.This is why most believe that Jesus is a Man/Son and not God.
OP ^
In short;
Same reason a little child would look and see Bruce Jenner and call him a woman.
Jesus APPEARED to the eyes of Earthly men, in a FASHION, LIKENESS, for eyes of Earthly men, TO SEE.
The fact is: APPEARANCE IS expressly the outside that Earthly Eyes CAN see.
The fact is: WHAT IS the expressly unseen inside of Jesus was Revealed.
Individuals have freewill, to TRUST their EYES, (and teach Jesus IS a human earthly created man of DUST)
OR KNOW Jesus IS the TRUE WORD of God, and IS the Christ Spirit POWER of God...without beginning or ending.
Huge differences in BIBLE Versions...
TRUTH...Appearance in the LIKENESS, AS A Human earthly man.
Or
FALSE...IS a Human earthly man. (And laughably explained away in a mathematical equation...100% human, 100% spiritual)
J.
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Johann
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Johann
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Taken
Well-Known Member
You are in ERROR.
The CHRIST, is the POWER of God.
The WORD, is POWER-FULL.
The POWER of God IS Gods Glory that God Gives to no one.
Heb 4:
[12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Isa. 42:
[8] I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Heb 1:
[3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Gods POWER is Gods GLORY that He GIVES to no one.
Men RECEIVE the “REFLECTION” of Gods POWER and Gods GLORY God.
Same as a man DOES NOT BECOME the shinning SUN.
A man RECEIVES the Reflection of the POWER of shinning SUN.
Gods WORD is power.
Gods LIGHT is power.
Gods POWER is His Glory.
Discover the SOUCE, GOD, and what comes forth OUT FROM GOD, IS God...
OUT From God? His Word. His Light, His Power, His Glory...
Which God Himself CALL Jesus Christ.
YOU, come to this forum, to speak forth YOUR WORD in text.
YOU, call yourself, “face2face”.
Should we discover other names you are also called, and then say..
“Your name” ... “face2face”....IS NOT YOU?
Point being, God dictates WHAT IS HE, and by what NAME, He shall be called. (Same as you do).
God has NAMED, His WORD, that comes forth out of Gods mouth;
(Isa. 55:11)
JESUS. (A name ABOVE ALL other Names!)
God has NAMED, His POWER, that comes forth out of Gods BRIGHTNESS;
CHRIST. (Power ABOVE ALL other powers!)
Friendly warning;
Treading on dangerous ground, to challenge God.
What is IN God, IS God.
What comes forth out from God, remains IN God.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I (Jesus speaking) came out from God.
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 10:
[30] I and “MY” Father are “ONE”.
Glory to God,
Taken
42:8 I am the Lord! That is my name! I will not share my glory with anyone else, or the praise due me with idols.
You understand the context here Taken? I'm not sure you have quoted it correctly.
Taken
Well-Known Member
I did not watch the video.
I simply gave my own view of the looming question...IS Jesus A HUMAN, or IS Jesus God revealed to the eyes of men, in the LIKENESS AS A Human man?
I believe Scripture expressly teaches TRULY Jesus IS God revealed in the LIKENESS AS A human man.
(I believe MEN FALSELY teach Jesus IS a human man.)
Taken
Well-Known Member
Not missing the context.
God GIVES His glory to no one.
Men can certainly receive the reflection of His glory.
I do know the difference of Possessing Gods Glory or Receiving the Reflection of Gods Glory.
Not sure what “understanding” you are wondering about....or what “understanding” you are comparing to...?
Your “understanding”...? And what would “that” be?
So how do you feel about God giving His Son glory? 1 Peter 1:21 you realise this is not the context of Isaiah 42 which is speaking to Yahweh being a Jealous God?
You have miss-quoted.
Easy to do without looking at the context.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Context...
What DID God “give” His Son?
Something the Son “THAT was NOT the Sons”? No.
OR
Something the Son “DID NOT BRING WITH HIM when He came to Earth”? YES!
The Son, came to earth....humbled, WITHOUT HIS REPUTATION.
The Son, came to earth....in the LIKENESS as an Earthly man....
....revealed from the woman of a woman, had a mommy and daddy, was a cry baby, needed tending, fed, clothed, grew, increased in wisdom....learning from observing, participating, the same as his “mommy and daddy”....
His “daddy a builder, carpenter”.
His “mommy care taker”.
His “parents showing, teaching, observing Godly preaching, festivals, Jewish customs, times, Passover, etc.”.
WHAT “reputation” did Jesus NOT bring to Earth WITH HIM?
His “POWER”.
Was JESUS’ POWER, any less, NOT HIS, because HE CAME to earth, as a babe, without His POWER? No.
Same as IF you leave your KEYS at your daddy’s house, and go to a Park, YOUR KEYS are still YOURS. Your daddy sending “your Keys” to you, Did not make “YOUR KEYS” not yours.
Jesus CAME to Earth, without His Reputation.
Phil 2:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
God REVEALED Jesus’ Reputation. Visually. Verbally.
Heb 5:
[5] So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Matt 16:
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
AFTER Jesus ACCOMPLISHED ON Earth, what He was SENT to do....JESUS RETURNED to HEAVEN, WITH His Reputation.
John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
John 17:
[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
God didn’t GIVE His Son His Glory;
God revealed, He whom God Called His Son, IS Gods Glory.
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