Only God is "Seer of all things". Did you just sin? Jesus is my God. Is Michael your god?Whatever you say, Seer of all things.
Thoughting again!....oh no, is that allowed?
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Can we all agree Jesus is not, not ever could he be, Michael the Archangel?
Wouldn't that be a kind of demotion? For the messiah who as Jesus,Immanuel, was God incarnate.
Good question. If Michael is Jesus then Michael is God. But he isn't Jesus. Is Michael the JW's savior?
I thought to go directly to a JW source.
I made bold the part about Jesus.
Source: https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/
"Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael."
So JW's believe Michael is their savior!I thought to go directly to a JW source.
I made bold the part about Jesus.
Source: https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/
"Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael."
If I go by what was available at the JW site I linked earlier, wouldn't that have to be the case?
I don't recall talking to any JW who admitted Kingdom Hall is wrong about any Bible doctrine. Not even one!
I don't know any JW's personally so I have no idea.
Have you met any Christian pastors that admitted they're wrong about bible doctrine?
Or non-clergy members that do so?
I was referring to JW's on online forums. Good point. lol
But honestly I don't know of any "Christians" who twist the Bible nearly as much as Kingdom Hall. Not even close.
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Now you tell me.
Thanks. It's kind of what keep these sites active don't you think?
Different pov's about doctrine.
Sure. But it's really sad when moderators attack someone in private because they disagree.Now you tell me.
Thanks. It's kind of what keep these sites active don't you think?
Different pov's about doctrine.
Ronald David Bruno
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You may be the straw man and you know what happens if you balspheme the Holy Spirit? You get fired.
Archangel is an angel - but you can be in denial with all the rebuttals that have been given to you.
A parrot would be able to recognize Michael, he got wings too. I think you should get a pet parrot, one that says, "Jesus is not Michael, Michael has wings, Jesus did not!"
Try it one more time, be careful with the spelling. We have to get you on record to say you will not bow a knee to Jesus!
Ronald David Bruno
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Exactly, it is degrading and a dishonor to the Son. If you dishonor the Son, you dishonor the Father.
And if we were wrong, wouldn't the Holy Spirit correct some 95+ % of Chrisitans?
Ronald David Bruno
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I'm talking about the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We see throughout history how He has guided us - praise God. We are right on course ... well most of us.
Ronald David Bruno
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I don't know. Remember Jesus did not regard equality with God something to be grasped ... to this day!
and does not Rome believe they are guided by the Spirit, the holy one at that? Numbers have always been used by man as evidence of being right. What if the whole world believed the wrong, would that make it right?
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