Thoughting again!....oh no, is that allowed?

[Brakelite]

Michael is one of the heavenly host, all of whom were created by the Word,

Got a scripture to show that? Didn't I ask you to answer without making assumptions?

 

[Amazed@grace]

Would you rather I just called him antichrist according to the biblical definitions? Who are you defending, the Cultic Jehovah's witnesses, or Free Masonry and it's pagan roots?

I'm putting forth the facts. While standing in Christ and against false witness.
What are you doing?

 

[michaelvpardo]

hmmmm, I see you have a high opinion of your logic!

Do you know what mathematical logic is?

 

[NayborBear]

Because corruption, sin and evil cannot be totally eradicated until after the battle of Gog and Magog (Rev 20). Some things are indeed hard to understand. Why would God want to release Satan when he was already locked up?

I don't believe it too highly speculative at all in believing the reason for satan to be released after Christs' "millennium reign" when "Priests of God and Yeshua Messiah, shall "reign with Him a 1,000 years?"

Is that during those 1,000 years (which btw could be referred to as "an everlasting", in and of itself!....again, not too highly speculative at all), which shall BE reigned with an rod of iron? TEACHING will be the main item of this exercise! So to speak. (God's Loving Kindness which endures forever on display again)

The short season of "the satan/s" shall SERVE as a proof of how well those teachings take root and grow! (I say "grow" instead of "grew", as this has not occurred.....YET! :))

 

[michaelvpardo]

I'm putting forth the facts. While standing in Christ and against false witness.
What are you doing?

I'm putting forth truth while standing in Christ and against false witnesses. So which is it? Are you a JW or a member of the pagan organization called Free Masonry?

 

[Brakelite]

Any and all that think the angel named Michael is Jesus. Jesus is not created, but creator.

No-one is suggesting that Jesus is not the Creator. You are still to grapple with the idea that Michael isn't necessarily presented in scripture as an angel. Archangel does not of necessity mean mean on of the angels. Your president is the commander in chief of the armed forces. Does that make him a soldier?

 

[Amazed@grace]

I'm putting forth truth while standing in Christ and against false witnesses. So which is it? Are you a JW or a member of the pagan organization called Free Masonry?

You exercise your imagination to bear false witness against Mr.Russel, the JW's, and the Masons.
Feel free to continue by answering your own question as your imagination again permits. :)

 

[michaelvpardo]

I know and am close to Jehovah Witnesses, I have family members whom I love and love me in return.
As a born again Christian for 30 years and a Berian at heart, I have addressed many of the misinterpretations and have also offered corrections to no avail. But I will tell you for certain I have questioned them about the very question, "Is Jesus Lord? They answered yes. They just put the Father above Him. They do believe in a works salvation and sadly are uncertain of theirs as they try to be obedient to everything the Bible says ... loving folks ... just deprived of many things we all enjoy as Christians. They believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose on third day. Did Jesus have a stipulation in His offer for eternal life? Was it something more than faith? Many Christians believe that faith without works is dead and so work out their salvation ( though they misunderstand that it is the Lord who works through you). Sentence them to be accursed? That is up to God. It is not for us to say who will go to heaven or who will be condemned to hell. I just think that the Holy Spirit does not grow churches that teach such doctrines as the JW's or Mormons. Remember the letters to the Seven churches, only two were on track, the rest criticised and warned to repent. LORD HAVE MERCY.


Did not know that. It is a defense mechanism to deny and reject something that does not fit into your way. We are rebellious sinners.
Jews have been blinded to this day, but will be saved (Rom.11)


Angels were sometimes referred to as stars. But a meteor shower could easily be interpreted as stars falling ... or even misiles.


We will be perfected in our resurrected bodies. Sin or confusion will not get in the way of making just and wise decisions. It will probably be simple. Were they with Christ or with Satan? -? Sounds like a no brainer.

Thank you for your meteorite theory, but I'm pretty sure that God knows the difference between meteorites and the stars of heaven.
The man who sat for many days and many hours answering my questions about bible verses that seemed contradictory to my carnal mind, was a former Jehovah's witness who'd abandoned their congregation, dabbled in other bizarre religions, and finally was called out of the darkness through the gospel. He told me more than a few things that JWs hold true or practice, as well as things that they deny. I can tell you for a certainty that their doctrines have changed under the pressure of faithful Christian witnesses, just because I'm that old and had at least one friend (more of an acquaintance with a nice old Martin guitar) that gave me Watch Tower publications to read when I was still in High School and told me about some of their practices (back in the 70s.)

 

[NayborBear]

Jesus, on the other hand, was kind to those whom his tradition considered out of favor, or less than the Jew.

While he was harsh toward those of the faith who presumed themselves above others not of their tradition. Calling them vipers and of their father the devil.

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Got a scripture to show that? Didn't I ask you to answer without making assumptions?

Already posted a few, but I'm not trying to prove anything to you or anyone else. Is Michael identified as an archangel? Are the Angels also eternal or are they created beings? Is Jesus an eternal being? My boolean algebra is a little rusty but it's only a 3 variable formula with only 2 possible states for all 3 and shouldn't be hard to solve.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Yes. As mentioned, Jesus there takes issue with the
Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law.
Great verse. :)

 

[michaelvpardo]

I think I'll leave you to your faith calling that affirms in you one is to be as you prefer when defending their religion.

Jesus, on the other hand, was kind to those whom his tradition considered out of favor, or less than the Jew.

While he was harsh toward those of the faith who presumed themselves above others not of their tradition. Calling them vipers and of their father the devil.

It is impossible to spread the good news of peace and love while acting the verbally offensive dolt.

Why? Because an asshole demeanor tells listeners there is no change to be afforded by holding faith in a teaching that leads one to behave as the fallen.

edited to add "t" to he devil, i. e the devil.

When posts dissolve into babbel the Lord is working on your heart. Your immaturity is showing.

 

[michaelvpardo]

No-one is suggesting that Jesus is not the Creator. You are still to grapple with the idea that Michael isn't necessarily presented in scripture as an angel. Archangel does not of necessity mean mean on of the angels. Your president is the commander in chief of the armed forces. Does that make him a soldier?

Seriously?

 

[Amazed@grace]

When posts dissolve into babbel the Lord is working on your heart. Your immaturity is showing.

:) God bless and keep you.

 

[michaelvpardo]

You exercise your imagination to bear false witness against Mr.Russel, the JW's, and the Masons.
Feel free to continue by answering your own question as your imagination again permits. :)

And you bear false witness against a saint to protect pagans and a false gospel. See Yah, wouldn't want to be ya.

 

[michaelvpardo]

:) God bless and keep you.

Thank you, but He has, He does, and He will continue to do so. I knew Him before I was born again, so this is all gravy.

 

[Brakelite]

Already posted a few, but I'm not trying to prove anything to you or anyone else. Is Michael identified as an archangel? Are the Angels also eternal or are they created beings? Is Jesus an eternal being? My boolean algebra is a little rusty but it's only a 3 variable formula with only 2 possible states for all 3 and shouldn't be hard to solve.

Your algebra is skewed if based on an assumption that being the archangel (chief of the angels ..aka Lord of hosts) necessarily means one of the angels, as opposed to the simple meaning of archangel... The boss of angels.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Your algebra is skewed if based on an assumption that being the archangel (chief of the angels ..aka Lord of hosts) necessarily means one of the angels, as opposed to the simple meaning of archangel... The boss of angels.

Yeah, sure, whatever. I mean that makes perfect sense, awesome logic there. Have a nice life.

 

[Daniel Veler]

Elohim said, "Let us make man in our image." Father, Son, Holy Spirt.
Yeshua always called Himself, "the son of man." See books of Daniel, 1 Enoch.

that’s why Christ said you must be born again.

 

[Brakelite]

Yeah, sure, whatever. I mean that makes perfect sense, awesome logic there. Have a nice life.

Oohhh. I thought you were somewhat more intelligent than that answer seems to indicate. You said earlier that you answer questions. Okay. Here's some questions.

What does Lord of hosts mean, and how many are there?

What exactly is the work of an angel?

How many archangels are there, and what's his title suggest as his duties?

I've purposely started with the easy questions.