I have a close friend (fellow MK survivor) who was taken to the camps as a small child. She was taken there, dressed in expensive clothes, and shown what happens to Jews. This was part of her programming. She was made to renounce her Jewishness.
Thoughts on the events of 9/11/2001
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Who is this curator and what evidence does he present to validate his claims? Was He even there at Auschwitz?
YOu also forget that the Poles also lived in denial. they could not admit that they had part of these atrocities. They did not want to die. That is why many 9of the SS guards bribed inmates to write letters saying that guard so and so was humane and treated us well. Or they were shot if they did not write.
It saddens me tremendously that people outside of conservative Islam and the neo nazi groups would even believe at all that teh extermination by Nazi Germany of the Jews may not have taken place! There is so much documentaion and empirical evidence as to make the lie laughable.
I also have heard testimony in person, at a church I used to attend, of some Holocaust survivors. I believe them.
We out for a few days...
Mr. Piper was the sole manager during the construction and years after the camp under Soviet control. It was on site most of the time. He had a contract with the the Germans as he was local, spoke Polish, his native tongue, done (supervised) forest and outdoor land and construction management work before, and also spoke German amongst other languages.
And for the letter of the very few: they were written Ron because no matter what the Germans would say after the War it would not change a thing. The victors had already determined the outcome and how 'it' all happened. It was a last ditched effort that was really a useless exercise and they knew it...kind of hopeless
The truth is not on your side here Ron. What you supply and possess and believe in is called the Victor's truth. There were never any extermination camps in Poland, as there were never any in Germany. And then when the actual truth of the latter was found out and became part of the public landscape they shut that down, abruptly and quietly. Unfortunately the truth in Poland could not come out under after May of 1945, and then who would be interested in it. The emotions and the over excitement of victory conquering the Hitler machine and the roar of Victors' politics (The West and the Soviets) and the kangaroo court at Nuremburg was all the talk of the town for the next decade or so....to seal and cap it as all true....that the lies they compiled was the historical truth.
If you really want to face the truth, I suggest you get my email and I might over time supply you with some truth. It took me over 25 years to gather and compile. You used to get a lot of it on the internet in the 90s. NOW it is ALL GONE!
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@Ronald Nolette : I'm still recovering for a sinus cold...I just had to comment more here
Anyway I could not resist the temptation to use a portion of what you believe you have in your possession, is the truth from the JVL of all places, and to perform a little tertiary observation or analysis, my current brain function permitting. Isn't the truth contagious?
Let me just pull off a short intro paragraph as it's your source for the truth...
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Crematorium I
Crematorium I operated [at Auschwitz] from August 15, 1940 until July 1943. According to calculations by the German authorities, 340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces.
The largest room in this building was designated as a morgue. It was adapted as the first provisional gas chamber in the autumn of 1941. The SS used Zyklon B to kill thousands of Jews upon arrival, as well as several groups of Soviet prisoners of war.
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First let me say that this so-called 'largest' Crematorium I, did NOT exist in 1940 as it's pictured and described. It was added and modified several times by the Soviets (Not by the Germans) to bring into a completely new building. And you would think Europeans love to keep their historical building in original form. Just want to get that out of the way first.
Now as you now know the 'Wansee Conference', the meeting minutes of the 'Final Solution' was on the 20th January of 1942. And you yourself believe you were convinced that this 'innocent' conference concerning just the emigration of the Jews was later to soon change to an evil meaning, SUDDENLY and without forensic and objective proof I might say. So when did it all change and why? And if it did, might you say, then between June - December 1942??
Anyway, your source just said that they incinerated Jews and others in 1941 when there was no operational or designed and functional Crematorium I? So this also needs to be fixed. And they also said they could incinerate 340 (I presumed 'gassed') corpses in a 24 hr period.
Let's do a little simple math/arithmetic from June 1942 - July 1943: 340 x 365 x 1 = 124,100. Now this represents an unrealistic MAX number of an impossible 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per years say one entire year, without ZERO interruption for sleeping eating, relaxing, cleaning, repairing, upgrading, and of course let's not forget the train schedule and the readiness of the 'gas' chambers.
And your same JVL source in a table, says about 1,000,000 were incinerated at the Auschwitz Birkenau camp for the entire time from June 1942 until say Jan 1945. Remember the Soviets had already overran the area by March 1945 and I do not think there was any resemblance of order with the Typhus and the starvation and now with other diseases even by December 1944.
And you know there was a plaque placed at AB originally stated 2.2 million were exterminated there. They altered the plaque in the 90s to read 1.2 million I believe, and I now read from 2008 from the JVL it is less that 1 million. All the numbers are bogus anyway. It is all lies
And now for the star of the show. It is the 'silver bullet' that killed their entire argument at AB and they know it. It is all about the science Ron. We've been hearing a lot about the science these days...people do lie if the stakes are very high and this Zionist Jewish lie is a monster and the Holocaust lie industry must be kept alive at all costs. It is part of their national fake identity. And of course this is where words like 'Anti-Semite' comes in handy to throw out for them as chaff from a plane when the truth missiles are honed in on them.
It's the Zyklon B bullet Ron. If it had a personality and could speak its mind about itself it would be discredited and silenced immediately. This area must be understood completely and many of the false claims about what happened at AB would fall instantly. It would also account for at elast 80 percent of the numbers from all camps and so-called mobile gassing units. I will not go into it though, here.
Meantime, I would advice to find other sources than JVL. I've read their information many time before and they keep modifying and tweaking it, and not with new additions either. It is their old data they keep rigging.
I consider them the foxes in the hen house. They are the Victors as they are still today. Yes, it's a long journey and a tale to tell, to loop back to the main topic of your thread....the Mossad, Zionists and 9/11..and WWII they are ALL connected, indeed.
Anyway Ron., we can leave off this WWII tale if you want. I won't query you again about any aspect of the main 'roots' as I consider it is to be, of your thread.
You have been a gentleman by your patience in listening to me on your thread. Most by time I would have hot rocks thrown at me from the JVL and other incredible sources by now.
It does remind me of one such occasion, when Wikipedia got their start on-line, another Zionist sponsored organization. I came across a picture depicting a SS Officer executing someone, in prison clothes, in a pit. I 'tore' the picture apart. I found at least 3 crops and a few insertions. The picture was hacked to pieces and they presented it as truth of the genocide of the Germans. I explained to them on line within this topic page, as my edition or comment to it that they had a Panzer commander in his uniform atop of his tank, and a German wearing a tennis sweater all observing the 'killing' with a luger pistol of the SS man pointing it at angle that would never kill anyone.
Well they did not like that comment at all, and took the page down within hours. They logged my IPA and I had difficulty (banned) in getting to their site for years. I did later find out who that frail looking prisoner was, He came off a Russian/Soviet) execution squad. So the SS were everywhere, even acting as Soviet executioners...amazing!
This is what it takes to fight premeditated liars. You have to go the whole way....rant finished
Bless you and on with 9/11
APAK
Anyway I could not resist the temptation to use a portion of what you believe you have in your possession, is the truth from the JVL of all places, and to perform a little tertiary observation or analysis, my current brain function permitting. Isn't the truth contagious?
Let me just pull off a short intro paragraph as it's your source for the truth...
---------quote------------------
Crematorium I
Crematorium I operated [at Auschwitz] from August 15, 1940 until July 1943. According to calculations by the German authorities, 340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces.
The largest room in this building was designated as a morgue. It was adapted as the first provisional gas chamber in the autumn of 1941. The SS used Zyklon B to kill thousands of Jews upon arrival, as well as several groups of Soviet prisoners of war.
----------unquote----------------
First let me say that this so-called 'largest' Crematorium I, did NOT exist in 1940 as it's pictured and described. It was added and modified several times by the Soviets (Not by the Germans) to bring into a completely new building. And you would think Europeans love to keep their historical building in original form. Just want to get that out of the way first.
Now as you now know the 'Wansee Conference', the meeting minutes of the 'Final Solution' was on the 20th January of 1942. And you yourself believe you were convinced that this 'innocent' conference concerning just the emigration of the Jews was later to soon change to an evil meaning, SUDDENLY and without forensic and objective proof I might say. So when did it all change and why? And if it did, might you say, then between June - December 1942??
Anyway, your source just said that they incinerated Jews and others in 1941 when there was no operational or designed and functional Crematorium I? So this also needs to be fixed. And they also said they could incinerate 340 (I presumed 'gassed') corpses in a 24 hr period.
Let's do a little simple math/arithmetic from June 1942 - July 1943: 340 x 365 x 1 = 124,100. Now this represents an unrealistic MAX number of an impossible 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per years say one entire year, without ZERO interruption for sleeping eating, relaxing, cleaning, repairing, upgrading, and of course let's not forget the train schedule and the readiness of the 'gas' chambers.
And your same JVL source in a table, says about 1,000,000 were incinerated at the Auschwitz Birkenau camp for the entire time from June 1942 until say Jan 1945. Remember the Soviets had already overran the area by March 1945 and I do not think there was any resemblance of order with the Typhus and the starvation and now with other diseases even by December 1944.
And you know there was a plaque placed at AB originally stated 2.2 million were exterminated there. They altered the plaque in the 90s to read 1.2 million I believe, and I now read from 2008 from the JVL it is less that 1 million. All the numbers are bogus anyway. It is all lies
And now for the star of the show. It is the 'silver bullet' that killed their entire argument at AB and they know it. It is all about the science Ron. We've been hearing a lot about the science these days...people do lie if the stakes are very high and this Zionist Jewish lie is a monster and the Holocaust lie industry must be kept alive at all costs. It is part of their national fake identity. And of course this is where words like 'Anti-Semite' comes in handy to throw out for them as chaff from a plane when the truth missiles are honed in on them.
It's the Zyklon B bullet Ron. If it had a personality and could speak its mind about itself it would be discredited and silenced immediately. This area must be understood completely and many of the false claims about what happened at AB would fall instantly. It would also account for at elast 80 percent of the numbers from all camps and so-called mobile gassing units. I will not go into it though, here.
Meantime, I would advice to find other sources than JVL. I've read their information many time before and they keep modifying and tweaking it, and not with new additions either. It is their old data they keep rigging.
I consider them the foxes in the hen house. They are the Victors as they are still today. Yes, it's a long journey and a tale to tell, to loop back to the main topic of your thread....the Mossad, Zionists and 9/11..and WWII they are ALL connected, indeed.
Anyway Ron., we can leave off this WWII tale if you want. I won't query you again about any aspect of the main 'roots' as I consider it is to be, of your thread.
You have been a gentleman by your patience in listening to me on your thread. Most by time I would have hot rocks thrown at me from the JVL and other incredible sources by now.
It does remind me of one such occasion, when Wikipedia got their start on-line, another Zionist sponsored organization. I came across a picture depicting a SS Officer executing someone, in prison clothes, in a pit. I 'tore' the picture apart. I found at least 3 crops and a few insertions. The picture was hacked to pieces and they presented it as truth of the genocide of the Germans. I explained to them on line within this topic page, as my edition or comment to it that they had a Panzer commander in his uniform atop of his tank, and a German wearing a tennis sweater all observing the 'killing' with a luger pistol of the SS man pointing it at angle that would never kill anyone.
Well they did not like that comment at all, and took the page down within hours. They logged my IPA and I had difficulty (banned) in getting to their site for years. I did later find out who that frail looking prisoner was, He came off a Russian/Soviet) execution squad. So the SS were everywhere, even acting as Soviet executioners...amazing!
This is what it takes to fight premeditated liars. You have to go the whole way....rant finished
Bless you and on with 9/11
APAK
During the year 2000, and over a few days, I slowly started sensing the Pass-over, subconsciously at first. Eventually I realized that it was Pass-over. Wasn't quite sure at the time why the Lord was showing me, an English-Canadian Christian this, but oh well!
Earlier this year, I slowly, sub-consciously at first, started becoming aware of the Jewish holocaust. For the first time, I felt deep grief about it. Then I discovered, for the first time, Yom Hashoah, the Jewish Remembrance Day. Until that point, I'd never heard of it.
Guess what the date was...April 8th. I felt the same grief that I feel when I think about the ten tribes being exiled. I know it's a Holy Spirit thing.
Earlier this year, I slowly, sub-consciously at first, started becoming aware of the Jewish holocaust. For the first time, I felt deep grief about it. Then I discovered, for the first time, Yom Hashoah, the Jewish Remembrance Day. Until that point, I'd never heard of it.
Guess what the date was...April 8th. I felt the same grief that I feel when I think about the ten tribes being exiled. I know it's a Holy Spirit thing.
Thoughts on the events of 9/11/2001
OP ^
Fact is...when an individual WANTS "SOMETHING", and the WAY, the "method" they are willing to USE, to Obtain what "they want"...reveals much about their "character", regardless of the "well planned attempts", To hide, cover, bury the TRUTH of what they have done.
* The Event of 9-11-2001 IMO, was a complete FARCE, with a Cover story, and pseudo "investigation" to match.
* Nothing new to "sacrifice a few"...be they archers, footsoldiers, state facilities mental patients, fetuses, snitches, witnesses, Kennedy's or office workers...to get what one wants.
* BEWARE...nothing new, men are Greedy...Everyone wants more and more....Even "controlling powers"...
* Having MOST of the world's wealth...
IS NOT ENOUGH!
* Contolling a FEW "submissives"...
IS NOT ENOUGH!
* they are on marathon of Breaking Speed to confiscate the world's wealth & control & eliminate unuseful obsticals.
OP ^
Fact is...when an individual WANTS "SOMETHING", and the WAY, the "method" they are willing to USE, to Obtain what "they want"...reveals much about their "character", regardless of the "well planned attempts", To hide, cover, bury the TRUTH of what they have done.
* The Event of 9-11-2001 IMO, was a complete FARCE, with a Cover story, and pseudo "investigation" to match.
* Nothing new to "sacrifice a few"...be they archers, footsoldiers, state facilities mental patients, fetuses, snitches, witnesses, Kennedy's or office workers...to get what one wants.
* BEWARE...nothing new, men are Greedy...Everyone wants more and more....Even "controlling powers"...
* Having MOST of the world's wealth...
IS NOT ENOUGH!
* Contolling a FEW "submissives"...
IS NOT ENOUGH!
* they are on marathon of Breaking Speed to confiscate the world's wealth & control & eliminate unuseful obsticals.
Trust God always my friend! There will always be doubters, even doubters with apparent good [remember well the only One who is good!] reasons to doubt.
God, however, when we follow Him sincerely will keep us in that which we need to be kept. Our wants or desires may initially disagree with what He knows that we need, but as we grow in Him, our wants and desires will be moving toward the wants and desires of God. This is growth... good [God is good!] growth!
A prison guard is there because he has to work.
A prisoner is there by force.
Neither one of them, if it was left up to them, would be there.
Hopefully, they can come to an understanding that if they can get along, it'll be best for both of them.
But...in a dictatorship, you'd better have a good guard, or who knows what could happen?
Still want to be a socialist? You do? The dumb ones are the first to go. How about now? Lol
A prisoner is there by force.
Neither one of them, if it was left up to them, would be there.
Hopefully, they can come to an understanding that if they can get along, it'll be best for both of them.
But...in a dictatorship, you'd better have a good guard, or who knows what could happen?
Still want to be a socialist? You do? The dumb ones are the first to go. How about now? Lol
And to take note....Guards, Soldiers, Teachers, Security personal with the KEYS and access to valuables....are the Lowest Paid in the spectrum. No temptation there!
Well Mr. Piper was lying ot you. All the concentration camps were under SS control. They were not contracted out to polish civilians.
Th eonly Piper who I could find connected with any German death camps was a Franciszek Piper who was a polish historian and researcher and who shows that over 960,000 Jewws were killed in Auschwitz. Sorry but you are buying bad documents.
Well I still await your silverstein Kissinger MOssad connection to the three towers falling.
I will just simply accept all teh historical documents from British, French Americanm and Russin sources all proving the holocaust to you are Jewish lies. All the mass graves were somehow fictitious or people just died of starvation. And to you most of the history of WW 2 concerning teh nazis and slave labor and the camps has all been doctored by zionists somehow.
Also the Nuremberg trials werwe a grand showcase farce! Dr. Mengele and H Himmler were badly misunderstood etc.etc.etc. I suppose you believe Kristallnacht never took place nor the confiscation of Jewish goods? But we can keep that for another thread.
I just want to see the empirical evidence that connects the Mossad, Silverstein and Kissinger to the three towers falling. I can at least see a possibility of soilverstein because He was the owner and had ove rinsured the buildings and was facing a mega bill for needed modifications ot the towers.
So those 6 million is a fictitious number? There were never nazi experiments? You reject the crematoriums incinerated bodies? You reject the Zyklon B showers ? As you call it the Victors truth, I suppose you accept the Losers Truth?
What about the swron testominy of tens of thousands of the incarcerated declaring the deaths at teh showers. Ininceration was never for the living. but dead bodies.
Do you really believe the mountains of evidence in documentary films ( I have hundreds of hours of WW 2 Europe documentary film) was and is just a fiction created for the masses?
So to you the Jews cannmot research accurate history then. Okay.
But let us get back to 9/11.
I know that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane. Over 300 pilots under oath have declared a plane could not have hit the pentagon for it could not fly that low at that speed and not cartwheel into the ground before it reached the pentagon. also a commercial plane could not make the degree turn that the report shows and not stall or crash.
Also one of the towers was not hit by a civilian plane. Actual video shows when brought to very very slow speed that one of the planes had no windows, was grey, had no markings on it, and that a split second before it hit the building, a flash was seen in the building.
also the count is now 3,400 hundred expert scientists have under oath said that the three towers did not fall because of the planes.
All true in what you said.
There was a C-130 that followed thru over the Pentagon right after the impact. It was the mobile aerial command center. The FBI quickly removed or local video feed tapes from convenience stores, gas stations and county traffic feed tapes over the roads surrounding the Pentagon...neve to be seen again.
Yes, I was one of earlier 3400 + scientists/engineers/mil-civ pilots that signed that oath/petition...all true.
I have many hours of video audio that shows that The Buildings, including #7, were pre-planned to 'fall' by private contractors both foreign and domestic...made home made documentaries of them...
One comment on your first statement: The powerful Zionist self-styled Jew, like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Goldman and Sachs folks, these only ensure their research of history support their official stories. They pay/paid off many people to keep their holocaust story and its industry alive. Remember it was the Rothschilds that threatened the English government and bankrolled the purchase of Palestinian lands over to their fellow Khazarian Jews of Europe well BEFORE WWII. And the Palestinian people never knew of such an agreement and what would 'hit' them.
Ron you are not researching correctly and misreading my words. And then please do not get carried away with your own speculations of what I meant. I wish you would consult me before jumping to wrong conclusions. I do know a lot more on this subject that you give me credit for. this far.
He actually was a Dr. Piper, and your source, the JVL, downplays his existence. When I used the word ''contract,' it did not mean CONTRACTED OUT as we are accustomed in seeing today. They never did business that way. It is a modern contractional term you are using here and it does not apply to then. No, the basic word contract is an agreement to perform certain tasks for payment of these performing these service. Of course eventually the camps were all controlled by the SS staff. No question about it. And Dr. Piper was did on contract at the same Camp whilst the SS ran it. I guess you do not understand the difference.
You know all the Polish camps before 1940 were Polish soldier camps/garrisons. And at Auschwitz (1) as the original camp was soon called, it became a German POW camp. And Dr. Piper was already there on site and long after all the SS were gone.
I wish I could sit down with you for a few hours plus and straighten all this out. Because every time I might say a word or a phrase that is misunderstood it takes a lot of extra time just to explain it and to continue on....this all take patience on your part as well to really understand what I bring to the table. It took me many years and you might want all the answer right now, and you cannot absorb it all. Do you really understand the material in the JVL source?
I did not want to continue on with the Camps area and Dr. Piper and the Prussian Blue chemical agent although you leave me no choice. Here a little appetizer that is from one of my sources that you will never find in any of your sources, especially JVL and Wikipedia. It is a summary report and other comments by a Polish government agency supporting scientific work done at Auschwitz - Birkenau by an American 30 years ago. It reports that none of the so-called 'gas' showers/chambers had Zyklon -B chemical agents present....you can draw your own conclusions from it.
Dr. Franciszek Piper is mentioned as the Sr. curator of 'the Museum' at this point in time.
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An Official Polish Report on the Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers'
Krakow Forensic Institute Confirms Leuchter's Findings
A recent investigation by a Polish government agency has authoritatively corroborated the findings of Fred Leuchter from his detailed 1988 on-site forensic examination of supposed German wartime extermination gas chambers. The American execution expert concluded that the "gas chambers" in the former concentration camps of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek were never used to kill people. (On Leuchter's findings and the resulting international controversy, see his detailed Report, as well as The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1989 and Winter 1990-91, and the IHR Newsletter, October 1990 and January 1991.)
Concerned at the impact of Leuchter's widely-circulated Report, the Auschwitz State Museum, a Polish government agency, commissioned the Institute of Forensic Research (Instytut Ekspertyz Sadowych) of Krakow to carry out its own investigation. The result: In a carefully worded six-page internal forensic report, the Institute's experts essentially replicated Leuchter's findings and implicitly corroborated his conclusions.
Consistent with Leuchter's investigation, the Institute's specialists detected absolutely no traces of cyanide (or ferro-ferri-cyanide compound) in most of the plaster and brick samples taken from the alleged extermination gas chambers. Traces of cyanides were detected in eight samples, seven of which were rooms in Block 3 of Auschwitz main camp where -as the Institute's experts acknowledge - inmate clothing was disinfected by "gassing" with Zyklon.
A barely detectable trace of cyanide compound was found in the eighth remaining "positive" sample, which was sample No. 15 from the alleged homicidal "gas chamber" in Krema building II in Birkenau. Significantly, this is the only sample taken from any of the supposed extermination gas chambers that showed any trace of cyanide. The presence of an almost indetectable trace in this sample is entirely in keeping with Leuchter's conclusion that the room from which it was taken must have been deloused with Zyklon at one time or another.
In an apparent attempt at "damage control," the authors of the Institute's report sought to play down or negate the significance of their own findings by asserting that any cyanide traces would have disappeared long ago under the impact of the weather and the elements. This assertion is simply not true, as Leuchter and other specialists have pointed out:
- Precisely speaking, it is not hydrogen cyanide itself that leaves a trace, but rather the compounds that result from the interaction of hydrogen cyanide with iron and other heavy metal ions. The resulting ferro-ferri-cyanide compounds are very stable as James Roth, chief chemist of Alpha Analytical Labs in Massachusetts, testified in the 1988 "Holocaust" trial of Ernst Zündel. Even after 45 years, the compounds would not have "weathered away."
- It is not true that all of the alleged gas chambers were exposed to the elements, as the Institute's experts contend. Specifically, the entire crematory facility (Krema) I in the Auschwitz main camp, including the alleged homicidal "gas chamber" there, has been completely intact since the camp was liberated by Soviet forces in January 1945. The authors of the Krakow Institute report make no effort to explain the absence of cyanide traces in this "gas chamber." Similarly, the alleged extermination gas chamber of crematory facility (Krema) II in Birkenau is protected by the collapsed concrete ceiling, and is otherwise in its original condition.
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Auschwitz State Museum officials initiated this investigation rather obviously hoping that the Institute's report would discredit Leuchter's findings and corroborate the orthodox extermination account. And just as obviously, if the Institute's report had, in fact, discredited the American engineer's conclusions, the Auschwitz State Museum and Holocaust organizations around the world would certainly have wasted no time in giving it maximum publicity.
Although neither the Auschwitz State Museum nor the Krakow Institute has (so far) made this September 1990 report public, Revisionists were nevertheless able to obtain a copy of the original document. Professor Robert Faurisson in France and Fred Leuchter in the United States were quick to cite this "Polish Leuchter Report" as corroboration of the Revisionist view of the Auschwitz extermination story. (See the IHR Newsletter, April 1991.)
Published here for the first time in English, a translation of the Krakow Institute's report follows:
First page of the September 1990 report on the forensic investigation of the alleged extermination gas chambers of Auschwitz and Birkenau conducted by a leading Polish forensic institute in response to the Leuchter Report.
INSTITUTE OF FORENSIC RESEARCH
In the name of Prof. Dr. Jan Sehn, Krakow
Division of Forensic Toxicology
Krakow, 24 Sept. 1990
Westerplatte 9 / Code 31-033
Tel. 505-44, 592-24, 287-50
Telex 0325213 eksad
Ref. No. 720 / 90
[ rubber stamp: ]
Received at the Auschwitz State Museum,
11 Oct. 1990 / filed: I 4998
To the
State Museum in
Auschwitz-Birkenau
Re: Ref. No. I-8523/51/1860/89
The Institute of Forensic Research,
in the name of Prof. Dr. Jan Sehn, Krakow,
herewith presents this
Forensic Report,
prepared by the court-approved experts
Prof. Dr. Jan Markiewicz, Dr. Wojciech Gubala, engineer Jerzy Labedz, and Beate Trzcinska, M.S.
In response to publications and court proceedings in the West, according to which Zyklon B gas was not used to kill people in the Auschwitz concentration camp, the Auschwitz [State] Museum asked us to take samples of wall plaster from the gas chambers and analyze them for the presence of hydrogen cyanide.
On the basis of an agreement in writing and by telephone, the team of experts of the Institute of Forensic Research, consisting of Dr. Wojciech Gubala and engineer J. Labedz, arrived on 20 February 1990 at the camp and Museum in Auschwitz-Birkenau for the purpose of taking samples for investigation, in order to determine the presence of hydrocyanic acid compounds.
In accordance with agreed-upon procedure, the material samples, consisting primarily of pieces of wall plaster and brick, were taken in the presence of Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator of the Museum, from the rooms of Block 3, from crematory [building] 1 in Auschwitz [main camp], as well as from crematories [buildings] 2, 3 and 5 in Birkenau. Wall plaster samples were also removed from Block 11 in Auschwitz [main camp] in the presence of Piotr Setkiewicz, M.S., an employee of the Museum.
Altogether, 22 samples were removed, including two control samples from a distant place where contamination with HCN [hydrocyanic acid] would not be possible.
Of the 20 samples removed, ten were taken from rooms in Block 3 in Auschwitz [main camp] (from rooms 1, 2, 3 and 4) where inmate clothing was disinfected with Zyklon B. According to our information, these rooms were white- washed during the war years. In some spots, a blue or dark blue stain shows through.
Five samples were also taken from the ruins of the gas chamber of crematory [building] 2 in Birkenau, as well as one sample each from the ruins of crematory [building] 5 and the wall of crematory [building] 1 in Auschwitz [main camp]. No samples were taken from the ruins of crematory [building] 4, because the 30-40 centimeter high wall structure there was reconstructed after the war.
In addition, the above-mentioned employees of the Institute of Forensic Research were given an envelope containing about 150 grams of human hair (marked PMO II-6-476), which had been obtained by a Museum employee, as well as four pieces of pulverized horse hair material ["wlosianki"] which had likewise been obtained by an employee of the Museum (marked PMO II-6-477 to 480).
Individual samples of the secured material (wall plaster, brick, hair and horse hair material) were reduced to small particles and placed in a micro-diffusion chamber. These samples were then treated with sulfuric acid and exposed to diffusion for 24 hours at room temperature in a Conway chamber. The resulting vapors and gases were absorbed in a sodium-hydroxide solution.
After this diffusion process was completed, the samples were subjected to color intensity analysis using pyridine-pyrazolone reagent, and the resulting color intensity was measured with a spectrophotometer (630 nm).
The corresponding concentration of hydrocyanic acid compound was measured against the calibration curve, which had been calibrated from an appropriately prepared sample of a known concentration.
The Results
Of the ten samples taken from the rooms of Block 3, where Zyklon B disinfection was carried out, traces of hydrocyanic acid compounds were found in seven of the samples in a concentration of nine to 147 micrograms per 100 grams of the sample material, calculated on the basis of the curve calibrated with potassium cyanide.
Concentration of Cyanide in the analyzed material:
Sample number
as per the procedure
of 20 February 1990 Concentration of Cyanide
expressed as potassium cyanide
(micrograms per 100 grams of material)
Sample No. 1 17
Sample No. 2 9
Sample No. 7 19
Sample No. 8 35
Sample No. 9 101
Sample No. 10 132
Sample No. 11 147
Sample No. 15 6
Note: No cyanide was found in any of the other samples.
Each sample that showed a positive result was then subjected to infrared spectrophotometric analysis in a Digilab company model F TS 15 B spectrophotometer. In five samples analyzed with this technique, the presence of cyanide was detected corresponding to spectral bands with frequencies of 2000 to 2200 cm. [1]
In each of the five "positive" tested plaster samples,a more or less distinct blue deposit could be detected. This kind of deposit, which is known as Prussian blue, may result from the interaction of cyanide with iron-based compounds.
Of the samples taken from crematories 1, 2, 3, and 5, only sample number 15 showed almost indetectably small traces of cyanide compounds (6 micrograms per 100 grams of wall plaster). This sample was taken from a column that stands in the middle of the gas chamber of crematory [building] 2 in Birkenau.
The analysis of the hair and hair weave produced a negative result. The result of the analysis of the two control samples was also negative.
On 18 July 1990, Dr. W. Gubala returned to the former Auschwitz concentration camp and took seven further samples from the wall plasters where the presence of hydrocyanic compounds had been detected by chemical analysis. These material samples were once again subjected to the analysis procedure described above, and once again the results were positive.
The hydrocyanic acid (HCN) that is released from the Zyklon B preparation is a liquid with a boiling point of about 27 degrees Celsius. It has an acidic character, ath therefore forms compounds with metallic salts, which are known as cyanides. The salts of alkaline metals (such as sodium and potassium) are water soluble.
Hydrocyanic acid is a very weak acid, and accordingly its salts dissolve easily in stronger acids. Even carbonic acid, which is formed as a reaction of carbon dioxide with water, will dissolve ferro-cyanide.
Stronger acids, such as sulfuric acids, easily dissolve the cyanides. The compounds of cyanide ions with heavy metals are longer lasting. This includes the already mentioned Prussian blue, although this will also slowly dissolve in an acidic environment.
Therefore, one can hardly assume that traces of cyanic compounds could still be detected in construction materials (plaster, brick) after 45 years, after being subjected to the weather and the elements (rain, acid oxides, especially sulfuric and nitrogen oxides). More reliable would be the analysis of wall plaster [samples] from closed rooms which were not subject to weather and the elements (including acid rain).
The analysis of the wall plaster taken from the rooms of Block 3 did indicate the presence of hydrocyanic acid compounds, although only in very small amounts. This result is a confirmation of the fact that in these rooms of Block 3, preparations of hydrogen cyanide such as in Zyklon B were used for disinfection.
The discovery of hydrocyanic acid compounds in samples of material which had been subject to the elements can only be accidental.
The macroscopic and microscopic examination of the hair weaves (PMO-II-6-477 to 480) showed hair in the woven material with the properties of human hair, as shown in photos 1, 2, and 3.
[Photos not reproduced here]
The Experts:
Director
Prof. Dr. Jan Markiewicz
Specialist for Technical Testing
Engineer Jerzy Labedz
Director of Toxicology
Dr. Wojciech Gubala
Senior Assistant
Beata Trzcinska, M.S.
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Although neither the Auschwitz State Museum nor the Krakow Institute has (so far) made this September 1990 report public, Revisionists were nevertheless able to obtain a copy of the original document. Professor Robert Faurisson in France and Fred Leuchter in the United States were quick to cite this "Polish Leuchter Report" as corroboration of the Revisionist view of the Auschwitz extermination story. (See the IHR Newsletter, April 1991.)
Published here for the first time in English, a translation of the Krakow Institute's report follows:
First page of the September 1990 report on the forensic investigation of the alleged extermination gas chambers of Auschwitz and Birkenau conducted by a leading Polish forensic institute in response to the Leuchter Report.
INSTITUTE OF FORENSIC RESEARCH
In the name of Prof. Dr. Jan Sehn, Krakow
Division of Forensic Toxicology
Krakow, 24 Sept. 1990
Westerplatte 9 / Code 31-033
Tel. 505-44, 592-24, 287-50
Telex 0325213 eksad
Ref. No. 720 / 90
[ rubber stamp: ]
Received at the Auschwitz State Museum,
11 Oct. 1990 / filed: I 4998
To the
State Museum in
Auschwitz-Birkenau
Re: Ref. No. I-8523/51/1860/89
The Institute of Forensic Research,
in the name of Prof. Dr. Jan Sehn, Krakow,
herewith presents this
Forensic Report,
prepared by the court-approved experts
Prof. Dr. Jan Markiewicz, Dr. Wojciech Gubala, engineer Jerzy Labedz, and Beate Trzcinska, M.S.
In response to publications and court proceedings in the West, according to which Zyklon B gas was not used to kill people in the Auschwitz concentration camp, the Auschwitz [State] Museum asked us to take samples of wall plaster from the gas chambers and analyze them for the presence of hydrogen cyanide.
On the basis of an agreement in writing and by telephone, the team of experts of the Institute of Forensic Research, consisting of Dr. Wojciech Gubala and engineer J. Labedz, arrived on 20 February 1990 at the camp and Museum in Auschwitz-Birkenau for the purpose of taking samples for investigation, in order to determine the presence of hydrocyanic acid compounds.
In accordance with agreed-upon procedure, the material samples, consisting primarily of pieces of wall plaster and brick, were taken in the presence of Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator of the Museum, from the rooms of Block 3, from crematory [building] 1 in Auschwitz [main camp], as well as from crematories [buildings] 2, 3 and 5 in Birkenau. Wall plaster samples were also removed from Block 11 in Auschwitz [main camp] in the presence of Piotr Setkiewicz, M.S., an employee of the Museum.
Altogether, 22 samples were removed, including two control samples from a distant place where contamination with HCN [hydrocyanic acid] would not be possible.
Of the 20 samples removed, ten were taken from rooms in Block 3 in Auschwitz [main camp] (from rooms 1, 2, 3 and 4) where inmate clothing was disinfected with Zyklon B. According to our information, these rooms were white- washed during the war years. In some spots, a blue or dark blue stain shows through.
Five samples were also taken from the ruins of the gas chamber of crematory [building] 2 in Birkenau, as well as one sample each from the ruins of crematory [building] 5 and the wall of crematory [building] 1 in Auschwitz [main camp]. No samples were taken from the ruins of crematory [building] 4, because the 30-40 centimeter high wall structure there was reconstructed after the war.
In addition, the above-mentioned employees of the Institute of Forensic Research were given an envelope containing about 150 grams of human hair (marked PMO II-6-476), which had been obtained by a Museum employee, as well as four pieces of pulverized horse hair material ["wlosianki"] which had likewise been obtained by an employee of the Museum (marked PMO II-6-477 to 480).
Individual samples of the secured material (wall plaster, brick, hair and horse hair material) were reduced to small particles and placed in a micro-diffusion chamber. These samples were then treated with sulfuric acid and exposed to diffusion for 24 hours at room temperature in a Conway chamber. The resulting vapors and gases were absorbed in a sodium-hydroxide solution.
After this diffusion process was completed, the samples were subjected to color intensity analysis using pyridine-pyrazolone reagent, and the resulting color intensity was measured with a spectrophotometer (630 nm).
The corresponding concentration of hydrocyanic acid compound was measured against the calibration curve, which had been calibrated from an appropriately prepared sample of a known concentration.
The Results
Of the ten samples taken from the rooms of Block 3, where Zyklon B disinfection was carried out, traces of hydrocyanic acid compounds were found in seven of the samples in a concentration of nine to 147 micrograms per 100 grams of the sample material, calculated on the basis of the curve calibrated with potassium cyanide.
Concentration of Cyanide in the analyzed material:
Sample number
as per the procedure
of 20 February 1990 Concentration of Cyanide
expressed as potassium cyanide
(micrograms per 100 grams of material)
Sample No. 1 17
Sample No. 2 9
Sample No. 7 19
Sample No. 8 35
Sample No. 9 101
Sample No. 10 132
Sample No. 11 147
Sample No. 15 6
Note: No cyanide was found in any of the other samples.
Each sample that showed a positive result was then subjected to infrared spectrophotometric analysis in a Digilab company model F TS 15 B spectrophotometer. In five samples analyzed with this technique, the presence of cyanide was detected corresponding to spectral bands with frequencies of 2000 to 2200 cm. [1]
In each of the five "positive" tested plaster samples,a more or less distinct blue deposit could be detected. This kind of deposit, which is known as Prussian blue, may result from the interaction of cyanide with iron-based compounds.
Of the samples taken from crematories 1, 2, 3, and 5, only sample number 15 showed almost indetectably small traces of cyanide compounds (6 micrograms per 100 grams of wall plaster). This sample was taken from a column that stands in the middle of the gas chamber of crematory [building] 2 in Birkenau.
The analysis of the hair and hair weave produced a negative result. The result of the analysis of the two control samples was also negative.
On 18 July 1990, Dr. W. Gubala returned to the former Auschwitz concentration camp and took seven further samples from the wall plasters where the presence of hydrocyanic compounds had been detected by chemical analysis. These material samples were once again subjected to the analysis procedure described above, and once again the results were positive.
The hydrocyanic acid (HCN) that is released from the Zyklon B preparation is a liquid with a boiling point of about 27 degrees Celsius. It has an acidic character, ath therefore forms compounds with metallic salts, which are known as cyanides. The salts of alkaline metals (such as sodium and potassium) are water soluble.
Hydrocyanic acid is a very weak acid, and accordingly its salts dissolve easily in stronger acids. Even carbonic acid, which is formed as a reaction of carbon dioxide with water, will dissolve ferro-cyanide.
Stronger acids, such as sulfuric acids, easily dissolve the cyanides. The compounds of cyanide ions with heavy metals are longer lasting. This includes the already mentioned Prussian blue, although this will also slowly dissolve in an acidic environment.
Therefore, one can hardly assume that traces of cyanic compounds could still be detected in construction materials (plaster, brick) after 45 years, after being subjected to the weather and the elements (rain, acid oxides, especially sulfuric and nitrogen oxides). More reliable would be the analysis of wall plaster [samples] from closed rooms which were not subject to weather and the elements (including acid rain).
The analysis of the wall plaster taken from the rooms of Block 3 did indicate the presence of hydrocyanic acid compounds, although only in very small amounts. This result is a confirmation of the fact that in these rooms of Block 3, preparations of hydrogen cyanide such as in Zyklon B were used for disinfection.
The discovery of hydrocyanic acid compounds in samples of material which had been subject to the elements can only be accidental.
The macroscopic and microscopic examination of the hair weaves (PMO-II-6-477 to 480) showed hair in the woven material with the properties of human hair, as shown in photos 1, 2, and 3.
[Photos not reproduced here]
The Experts:
Director
Prof. Dr. Jan Markiewicz
Specialist for Technical Testing
Engineer Jerzy Labedz
Director of Toxicology
Dr. Wojciech Gubala
Senior Assistant
Beata Trzcinska, M.S.
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Dr. Markiewicz Responds
In late April, IHR Associate Editor Mark Weber wrote to Dr. Jan Markiewicz, director of the Institute of Forensic Research, to ask for a comment on his agency's September 1990 report. He was specifically asked to comment on the significance of his institute's report in light of Leuchter's 1988 investigation and report. A copy of the April IHR Newsletter, which told about the Krakow Institute's investigation and report, was mailed along with Weber's inquiry. In a letter dated June 7, 1991, Dr. Markiewicz responded:
I received your letter with enclosure on 16 April 1991. I agree with you that a commentary should necessarily be affixed to our report of 24 Sep. 1990, which is called for by the straightforwardness of information, so essential to any scientific studies. Our Institute of Forensic Research is a scientific-research establishment attached to the Ministry of Justice. Investigations of material evidences are carried out in it independently of the parties to the suit and expert opinions are expressed in civil and criminal cases for the purposes of the administration of justice.
In a letter of 17 May 1989 the then Director of the State Museum at Auschwitz, Mr. Kazimierz Smolen, asked me to make "an analysis of plaster samples from the walls of the gas chambers for the presence of hydrogen cyanide." In connection with the question posed in that letter I qualified the chances of detecting hydrogen cyanide in such samples as nearly none. As a chemist engaged in forensic chemical toxicology for 45 years, I am familiar with the properties of this volatile substance. Hence my reply. Anyway, I stated that, if only such investigation was considered to be expedient, I was ready to undertake it. As my partner in further talks and possible study I named Dr. Wojciech Gubala of the Forencis Toxicological Laboratory of our Institute. At the same time I referred to the expert appraisal made by Dr. Jan Robel in this Institute in 1945, closely connected with the problems in hand ...
Having communicated by phone with the Management of the Museum at Auschwitz, Dr. Gubala went there together with his co-worker, Mr. Jerzy Labedz on 10 Feb. 1990. Both these workers were taken round the Camp territory by the curator, Dr. Franciszek Piper, and toward the end of their visit by Mr. Piotr Sethkiewicz and they took samples of plaster in places indicated to them, in compliance with the wish expressed by the Director earlier. I was not informed then about the so-called "Leuchter's Report" or about the publications coming out at that time, and nor were my co- workers. Their investigations and results are known to you from the expertise the copy of which is in your possession. I'd like to mention that the Management of the Museum did not inform us about the copying of this expert appraisal and its propagation.
Now, in the light of letters and publications coming to us from different countries, I have arrived at the conclusion that our investigations aiming at the confirmation, if possible, of the use of cyanic preparations in the rooms that survived whole or only in the form of ruins, were rather preliminary in nature and incomplete. We are bent on widening and deepening these investigations and have already been preparing for them. It is only now when suitable materials from literature have become accessible to us that we see the purpose and sense of such studies. Naturally, we shall publish their results and make them accessible to you and your Institute.
The IHR is naturally gratified by Dr. Markiewicz's open-minded and cooperative attitude, which serves the cause of honest scholarship and historical truth.
We are pleased that the Krakow Institute will continue its investigation into this very important aspect of the Auschwitz extermination story, and we appreciate his pledge to keep us informed of the results.
In response to a couple of issues raised in this letter:
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In late April, IHR Associate Editor Mark Weber wrote to Dr. Jan Markiewicz, director of the Institute of Forensic Research, to ask for a comment on his agency's September 1990 report. He was specifically asked to comment on the significance of his institute's report in light of Leuchter's 1988 investigation and report. A copy of the April IHR Newsletter, which told about the Krakow Institute's investigation and report, was mailed along with Weber's inquiry. In a letter dated June 7, 1991, Dr. Markiewicz responded:
I received your letter with enclosure on 16 April 1991. I agree with you that a commentary should necessarily be affixed to our report of 24 Sep. 1990, which is called for by the straightforwardness of information, so essential to any scientific studies. Our Institute of Forensic Research is a scientific-research establishment attached to the Ministry of Justice. Investigations of material evidences are carried out in it independently of the parties to the suit and expert opinions are expressed in civil and criminal cases for the purposes of the administration of justice.
In a letter of 17 May 1989 the then Director of the State Museum at Auschwitz, Mr. Kazimierz Smolen, asked me to make "an analysis of plaster samples from the walls of the gas chambers for the presence of hydrogen cyanide." In connection with the question posed in that letter I qualified the chances of detecting hydrogen cyanide in such samples as nearly none. As a chemist engaged in forensic chemical toxicology for 45 years, I am familiar with the properties of this volatile substance. Hence my reply. Anyway, I stated that, if only such investigation was considered to be expedient, I was ready to undertake it. As my partner in further talks and possible study I named Dr. Wojciech Gubala of the Forencis Toxicological Laboratory of our Institute. At the same time I referred to the expert appraisal made by Dr. Jan Robel in this Institute in 1945, closely connected with the problems in hand ...
Having communicated by phone with the Management of the Museum at Auschwitz, Dr. Gubala went there together with his co-worker, Mr. Jerzy Labedz on 10 Feb. 1990. Both these workers were taken round the Camp territory by the curator, Dr. Franciszek Piper, and toward the end of their visit by Mr. Piotr Sethkiewicz and they took samples of plaster in places indicated to them, in compliance with the wish expressed by the Director earlier. I was not informed then about the so-called "Leuchter's Report" or about the publications coming out at that time, and nor were my co- workers. Their investigations and results are known to you from the expertise the copy of which is in your possession. I'd like to mention that the Management of the Museum did not inform us about the copying of this expert appraisal and its propagation.
Now, in the light of letters and publications coming to us from different countries, I have arrived at the conclusion that our investigations aiming at the confirmation, if possible, of the use of cyanic preparations in the rooms that survived whole or only in the form of ruins, were rather preliminary in nature and incomplete. We are bent on widening and deepening these investigations and have already been preparing for them. It is only now when suitable materials from literature have become accessible to us that we see the purpose and sense of such studies. Naturally, we shall publish their results and make them accessible to you and your Institute.
The IHR is naturally gratified by Dr. Markiewicz's open-minded and cooperative attitude, which serves the cause of honest scholarship and historical truth.
We are pleased that the Krakow Institute will continue its investigation into this very important aspect of the Auschwitz extermination story, and we appreciate his pledge to keep us informed of the results.
In response to a couple of issues raised in this letter:
- As Dr. Markiewicz mentions -- and as Dr. Faurisson and others have repeatedly stressed -- hydrogen cyanide is indeed a volatile substance. However, this point is not directly relevant to the investigations conducted by Leuchter or the Krakow Institute. In contrast to the volatility of hydrogen cyanide, the ferro-ferric-cyanide compounds ("Prussian blue") produced as a result of the interaction of hydrogen cyanide and iron are remarkably stable, as authoritative chemistry reference works confirm.
- The IHR is familiar with the 1945 forensic report referred to by Markiewicz in his letter, and more will be said about it in a forthcoming issue of the Journal.
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