Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

[Magdala]

Firstly, in ancient Israel, a new day began and ended at sunset. The Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights" meant a period of approx. three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours.

Secondly, when determining how long someone has been lifeless, you go by their time/day of death, not burial. According to the Evangelists, Jesus died at “the ninth hour” (3 pm) in the late afternoon on “Preparation day, the day before the Sabbath” (Friday) (Matt. 27:46;50, Mk.15:34;37;15:42, and Lk. 23:44;46), and the women disciples found His sepulchre empty on “the first day of the week” (Sunday) when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1).

Thirdly, solely based on the time/day of death (3 pm on Friday) and discovery of the empty tomb (beginning of dawn on Sunday), we know that Jesus wasn't lifeless for seventy-two hours, and that corresponds with His use of the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights", meaning any portion of the first day, all the second day, and any part of the third day. This interpretation allows for variations from a strict seventy-two-hour time frame.

While the exact time of Jesus's resurrection can't be determined from what we have of the Evangelist's accounts, Jesus has made that detail known through Maria Valtorta. She took dictation from Him, and He said that His body had been lifeless for thirty-eight hours from His time of death of 3 pm on Friday (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V), which places His resurrection around 5 am on Sunday, and this corresponds with the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights", as well as the women disciples discovering the empty tomb at the beginning of dawn.

Thursday ends and Friday begins at sunset (day 1)
Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies
Friday 3 pm to sunset: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Friday ends and Saturday begins at sunset (day 2)
All of Saturday: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Saturday ends and Sunday begins at sunset (day 3)
All of Sunday until 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday 5 am: Jesus resurrects

 

[Fred J]

Firstly, in ancient Israel, a new day began and ended at sunset. The Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights" meant a period of approx. three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours.

Secondly, when determining how long someone has been lifeless, you go by their time/day of death, not burial. According to the Evangelists, Jesus died at “the ninth hour” (3 pm) in the late afternoon on “Preparation day, the day before the Sabbath” (Friday) (Matt. 27:46;50, Mk.15:34;37;15:42, and Lk. 23:44;46), and the women disciples found His sepulchre empty on “the first day of the week” (Sunday) when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1).

Thirdly, the Evangelists don't mention the exact time of Jesus's resurrection, but based on their accounts of the time/day of death (3 pm on Friday) and discovery of the empty tomb (beginning of dawn on Sunday), we know that Jesus wasn't lifeless for seventy-two hours, and that corresponds with Jesus's use of the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights", meaning any portion of the first day, all of the second day, and any part of the third day. This interpretation allows for variations from a strict seventy-two hour time frame.

While the exact time of Jesus's resurrection can't be determined from what we have of the Evangelist's accounts, Jesus has made that detail known through Maria Valtorta. She took dictation from Him and He said that His body had been lifeless for thirty-eight hours from His time of death of 3 pm on Friday (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V), which places His resurrection around 5 am on Sunday, and this corresponds with the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights", as well as the women disciples discovering the empty tomb at the beginning of dawn.

Thursday ends and Friday begins at sunset (day 1)
Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies
Friday 3 pm to sunset/Saturday: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Friday ends and Saturday begins at sunset (day 2)
Saturday: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Saturday ends and Sunday begins at sunset (day 3)
Sunday sunset to 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday 5 am: Jesus resurrects

Sorry, you and your un Biblical evangelist are not welcome in this platform, since this is only Bible Study forum.

 

[Magdala]

Sorry, you and your un Biblical evangelist are not welcome in this platform, since this is only Bible Study forum.

God's Truths aren't confined to the pages of The Bible.

 

[Fred J]

God's Truths aren't confined to the pages of The Bible.

It is, according to 2 Timothy 3:16&17, so you're a false witness in regards the Holy Bible.

 

[Magdala]

It is, according to 2 Timothy 3:16&17, so you're a false witness in regards the Holy Bible.

Those verses don't say that God's Truths are confined to The Bible. You shouldn't change what is written.

 

[Fred J]

Those verses don't say that God's Truths are confined to The Bible. You shouldn't change what is written.

Paul's letter to Timothy, and as for Timothy since young is taught according to all scripture available in his time.

Since this breathed out by GOD scripture is among the canon, therefore to us our availability is the All Scripture = Holy Bible, we're are disciple since born again young.

Ephesians 2:
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief corner stone;

Apparently, you're the one who intend to 'twist' what is already written and fit in your outside the canon added evangelist agenda.

No thank you

 

[Fred J]

2 Timothy 3:16&17 - Paul's letter to Timothy, and as for Timothy since young he's taught according to all scripture available in his time.

Since this breathed out by GOD scripture is among the canon, therefore to us our availability is the All Scripture = Holy Bible, we're too disciple since born again young to adult.

Ephesians 2:
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief corner stone;

3 days and 3 nights

The Gospel according to the Apostles were not inspired by GOD to write down the time of Jesus' burial and resurrection.

But based on the scripture, He was buried by the Jews who also need time to prepare themselves before the sunset yearly Passover observation.

Therefore it was still 'day' for them in Israel, hour or more before nightfall they buried Him.

And the tomb was found empty by 'dawn', and according to Apostle John, yet it was 'still dark'.

Therefore the sunlight can be seen at the horizon but it was still dark in Israel, and the tomb already empty.

Luke 24:
21. But we trusted that it had been He which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

Then again yet some tend to speculate this as also a Hebrews idiom, i disagree, for it's a plain statement from a commoner disciple.

John 11:
9. Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Jesus is asking the commoner disciples, as they plainly know Israel in the day have 12 hours, besides the night.

Jesus was not asking about 12 hours in a day, but rather 12 hours in the day they're familiar with in Israel.

Truly then itself in Israel, they go by 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night apparently.

Therefore why there are many christian teachers, but rather are merely disciple and babes in Christ.

They're divided in doctrine taking in from other incompetent christian teachers, as the blind leading the blind.

When Jesus the Living Bread, plainly prophesy to Israel that day, the Son of man in the heart of the earth 3 days and 3 nights.

John 2:
19. Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Conclusion,
James 3:
1. My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[keithr]

Jesus wasn't crucified on a Friday, he was crucified on a Thursday. The confusion arose because of mistaking the High Sabbath (Passover) for a normal weekly Sabbath day. Here's a webpage that explains it - Jesus Was Crucified on a Thursday.

 

[Magdala]

Paul's letter to Timothy, and as for Timothy since young is taught according to all scripture available in his time.

Since this breathed out by GOD scripture is among the canon, therefore to us our availability is the All Scripture = Holy Bible, we're are disciple since born again young.

Ephesians 2:
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief corner stone;

Apparently, you're the one who intend to 'twist' what is already written and fit in your outside the canon added evangelist agenda.

No thank you

None of those verses say that God's Truths are confined to The Bible either though.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

However, saying "three days and three nights" is different.

Friday sundown to Saturday sunrise = 1 night.

Saturday sunrise to Saturday sundown = 1 day.

Saturday sundown to Sunday sunrise = 1 night.

So that doesn't work, it's only 1 day and 2 nights. The prophecy was 3 days and 3 nights.

Much love!

Well to an English speaking 21st century American yeah, it doesn't. but to a first century Jew who spoke and thought in the way I described, it made perfect sense. Remember the bible wasn't written by 21st Century Americans, but first century Jews.

 

[marks]

Well to an English speaking 21st century American yeah, it doesn't. but to a first century Jew who spoke and thought in the way I described, it made perfect sense. Remember the bible wasn't written by 21st Century Americans, but first century Jews.

No, I don't believe that would have made sense to them at all. Jesus was very clear, 3 days and 3 nights. He rose before dawn on the first day of the week. So even though it was before dawn, sure, that was one night. Let's work backwards, allowing that "a portion of a day counts as a day".

Saturday sunset to Sunday pre-dawn = 1 night.
Saturday dawn to Saturday sunset = 1 day
Friday sunset to Saturday dawn = 1 night
Friday dawn to Friday sunset = 1 day
Thursday sunset to Friday dawn = 1 night
Thursday PM death of Christ to Thursday sunset = 1 day (assumes He was buried before sunset)

So allowing that even if Jesus were buried 15 minutes before sunset, counting that 15 minutes as a "day", this allows a Thursday crucifixion, not later.

Even 1st century Jews could do math, I should think!

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, I don't believe that would have made sense to them at all. Jesus was very clear, 3 days and 3 nights. He rose before dawn on the first day of the week. So even though it was before dawn, sure, that was one night. Let's work backwards, allowing that "a portion of a day counts as a day".

Saturday sunset to Sunday pre-dawn = 1 night.
Saturday dawn to Saturday sunset = 1 day
Friday sunset to Saturday dawn = 1 night
Friday dawn to Friday sunset = 1 day
Thursday sunset to Friday dawn = 1 night
Thursday PM death of Christ to Thursday sunset = 1 day (assumes He was buried before sunset)

So allowing that even if Jesus were buried 15 minutes before sunset, counting that 15 minutes as a "day", this allows a Thursday crucifixion, not later.

Even 1st century Jews could do math, I should think!

Much love!

Doesn't matter what you think or feel, that is how they talked and described things. If you do not want to accept their reality- that is on you and not the Scriptures.

Killed Friday afternoon (whyPharisees wanted the people killed for it was the day before Sabbath-Saturday)
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Jesus crucified on Friday the Day before the Sabbath.

John 20
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. .

Jesus rose Sunday- the first day of the week.

Friday, saturday, sunday-three days!

 

[marks]

Doesn't matter what you think or feel, that is how they talked and described things.

I'm just showing you that even under your terms it doesn't add up.

That's all.

Much love!

 

[Magdala]

The prophecy was 3 days and 3 nights.

In ancient Israel, a new day began at sunset. Solely based on the time/day of death of 3 pm on Friday (Matt. 27:46;50, Mk.15:34;37;15:42, and Lk. 23:44;46), and discovery of the empty tomb at the beginning of dawn on Sunday (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1), we know that Jesus wasn't lifeless for seventy-two hours, and that corresponds with His use of the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights", meaning any portion of the first day, all the second day, and any part of the third day. This interpretation allows for variations from a strict seventy-two-hour time frame.

The exact time of Jesus's resurrection can't be determined from what we have of the Evangelist's accounts, but Jesus has made that detail known through Maria Valtorta. She took dictation from Him, and He said that His body had been lifeless for thirty-eight hours from His time of death of 3 pm on Friday (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V), which places His resurrection around 5 am on Sunday, and this corresponds with the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights", as well as the women disciples discovering the empty tomb at the beginning of dawn.

Thursday ends and Friday begins at sunset (day 1)
Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies
Friday 3 pm to sunset: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Saturday begins at sunset (day 2)
All of Saturday: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Sunday begins at sunset (day 3)
All of Sunday until 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday 5 am: Jesus resurrects

 

[marks]

we know that Jesus wasn't lifeless for seventy-two hours, and that corresponds with His use of the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights", meaning any portion of the first day, all the second day, and any part of the third day. This interpretation allows for variations from a strict seventy-two-hour time frame.

You are making the same mistake as others. If Jesus has merely said, 3 days, sure, what you are saying could be accepted. Not necessarily, but could be.

However, He said 3 days and 3 nights. Apparently between the two of us, I believe Him, and you do not.

Much love!

 

[Magdala]

However, He said 3 days and 3 nights. Apparently between the two of us, I believe Him, and you do not.

What you're either not understanding, or are willfully unwilling to accept, is that "three days and three nights" is a Hebraic idiom, and it means any portion of the first day, all the second day, and any part of the third day, which allows for variations from a strict seventy-two-hour time frame.

Solely based on the time/day of death of 3 pm on Friday (Matt. 27:46;50, Mk.15:34;37;15:42, and Lk. 23:44;46), and discovery of the empty tomb at the beginning of dawn on Sunday (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1), we know that Jesus wasn't lifeless for seventy-two hours, and that corresponds with His use of the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights".

So, you're mistaken in your belief that Jesus said three days and three nights as in seventy-two hours.

 

[Fred J]

Jesus wasn't crucified on a Friday, he was crucified on a Thursday. The confusion arose because of mistaking the High Sabbath (Passover) for a normal weekly Sabbath day. Here's a webpage that explains it - Jesus Was Crucified on a Thursday.

Jesus said that, Isn't there 12 hours in the day (daytime), and not in a day.

Therefore there is also 12 hours of night cycle to complete a day in the calendar.

To Jesus when He prophesy, The Son of man in the heart of the earth three days and three nights, it's not Hebrew idiom.

He was buried before sunset the start of a new day Thursday in the calendar, hence, is the yearly Passover.

1. Thursday night - Thursday day to sunset = first night & day
2. Friday night - Friday day to sunset = second night & day
3. Saturday night - Saturday day to sunset = third night & day

After the Saturday sunset, on Sunday night and start of a new day in the calendar, Jesus has risen.

The women could not visit the tomb at night, but only at 'dawn', and apparently found it's 'already empty'.

The cycle of 12 hours of nights and 12 hours of days, or days and nights = 3 days and 3 nights.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Magdala]

3 days and three nights, it's not Hebrew idiom.

Yea, it is. Look it up and you'll see for yourself.

 

[Fred J]

Yea, it is. Look it up and you'll see for yourself.

Bogus!

 

[keithr]

Killed Friday afternoon (why Pharisees wanted the people killed for it was the day before Sabbath-Saturday)
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Jesus crucified on Friday the Day before the Sabbath.

You just made the mistake that has led to the confusion! You've assumed that when it said "sabbath day" that it was referring to a Saturday, but you've completely overlooked the words in brackets - "for that sabbath day was an high day". A "High Sabbath" refers to seven specific annual Biblical festivals and rest days. These days, also called "feasts" or "called assemblies," are distinct from the weekly Sabbath and they are based on the Jewish lunar calendar - they can occur on any day of the week.

The seven annual High Sabbaths are:

1. First and Seventh Days of Passover (Pesach): These days mark the beginning and end of the Passover festival, which commemorates the Israelites' liberation from slavery in Egypt.
2. Shavuot (Pentecost): This feast commemorates the giving of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.
3. Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets): This is the Jewish New Year, a time for reflection and repentance.
4. Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement): This is the holiest day of the year, a day of fasting and prayer for atonement for sins.
5. First and Eighth Days of Sukkot (Tabernacles): These days mark the beginning and end of the Sukkot festival, which commemorates the Israelites' wandering in the wilderness after the Exodus.

From the webpage that I provided a link to in post #28:

Multiple Sabbaths During Passion Week​

In Mark 15:42, we read that Jesus was crucified on "the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath." Traditionally, this has been interpreted to mean Friday, the day before the weekly Sabbath. However, during the Passover week, there was an additional Sabbath—called a "High Sabbath"—which could fall on a different day of the week, not necessarily Saturday. This distinction is crucial to understanding the timeline of Jesus' crucifixion, as it helps clarify why certain events happened when they did, and it resolves discrepancies in the traditional Friday crucifixion timeline.

The Role of the High Sabbath (John 19:30-31)​

John's Gospel provides crucial insight by clarifying that the Sabbath following Jesus' death was a "high day"—a special Passover Sabbath, not the regular weekly Sabbath. This suggests that Jesus was crucified on the day before this High Sabbath, which fell on Friday. Thus, Jesus was crucified on Thursday, making way for two Sabbaths—Friday's High Sabbath and Saturday's regular Sabbath—before His resurrection on Sunday. This explanation helps to understand why the traditional timeline often feels incomplete.​

Matthew's Clue: Plural Sabbaths​

Matthew 28:1 adds another important clue, stating that after the "Sabbaths" (plural), Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to the tomb. The use of the plural form indicates there were two Sabbaths back-to-back: the High Sabbath on Friday and the regular weekly Sabbath on Saturday. This dual-Sabbath scenario supports a Thursday crucifixion, providing an extra day in between for these two rest periods. This dual Sabbath explanation helps resolve the confusion around the events that took place during Passion Week and aligns all the Gospel accounts more coherently.