Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth
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Ronald Nolette
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You are merely looking at math, not how the Jews reckoned time. Friday the 3-4 hours was one day to them
Saturday the 24 hours was one day to them.
Sunday from sunset Saturday until He rose was one day to them in determing time. that makes 3 days. Accept it even if the math doesn't add up for that is how they counted it.
Ronald Nolette
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No, I did not! That particular saturday began the feast of unleavened bread! Thursday night to Friday sunset was passover, and the day of preparation (removing the leaven from houses.
That particular Sabbath (Saturday) was a high Sabbath in that on that Saturday the Feast of Unleavened bread began.
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Read it using saturday for Sabbath.
...on Saturday, for that Saturday was a High Day......
I don't think you are realizing what my assertion is.
Friday the 3-4 hours was one day to them 1 day
Saturday the 24 hours was one day to them. 1 day + 1 night
Sunday from sunset Saturday until He rose was one day to them in determing time. 1 day
that makes 3 days. And you are missing 2 nights.
Jesus prophesied 3 days and 3 nights. Why do you suppose He said that? Could it have been to communicate that He would in fact rise after 3 days and 3 nights? Had He only said, "3 days", what you are suggesting could be true. It's like we'd say, "On the third day", no matter what time today it is, no matter what time it happens on the third day, we mean the day after tomorrow.
But this isn't that. Jesus was clear to specify that just like Jonah, it would be three days and three nights.
So I just take Jesus at His word, and it's all OK.
Much love!
Webers_Home
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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased less than 72 hours.
Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.
REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2.
Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.
FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when the sun wasn't up yet when
they arrived?
REPLY: The original Easter is a mite confusing due to a natural day following
close on the heels of a liturgical day.
Whereas liturgical days were a twenty-four hour amalgam of daytime and
nighttime; natural days consisted of only twelve hours of daytime. (John
11:9-10)
The day preceding the first day of the week was a sabbath (Matt 28:1)
which began at sunset Friday and ended at sunset Saturday. So that in
accord with liturgy the first day of the week began with sunset Saturday,
whereas in accord with nature it began with sunrise Sunday morning. I can't
advise folks how best to untangle the confusion resulting from mixing and
mashing liturgical days with natural days 'cause I can't even do it myself.
It's definitely a bit of a challenge.
FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?
REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased less than 72 hours.
Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.
REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2.
Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.
FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when the sun wasn't up yet when
they arrived?
REPLY: The original Easter is a mite confusing due to a natural day following
close on the heels of a liturgical day.
Whereas liturgical days were a twenty-four hour amalgam of daytime and
nighttime; natural days consisted of only twelve hours of daytime. (John
11:9-10)
The day preceding the first day of the week was a sabbath (Matt 28:1)
which began at sunset Friday and ended at sunset Saturday. So that in
accord with liturgy the first day of the week began with sunset Saturday,
whereas in accord with nature it began with sunrise Sunday morning. I can't
advise folks how best to untangle the confusion resulting from mixing and
mashing liturgical days with natural days 'cause I can't even do it myself.
It's definitely a bit of a challenge.
FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?
REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil.
They were laid to rest above the soil in a rock-hewn tomb. So the only way
that Jesus could be up on the surface of the Earth and down its interior
simultaneously was for he and his body to part company and go their
separate ways.
That isn't an unreasonable posit. According to Matt 10:28, the body is
perishable by most any means, whereas the soul is perishable only by divine
means. In other words; the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily
simultaneous, viz: the soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give
it either a thumb up or a thumb down.
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● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil.
They were laid to rest above the soil in a rock-hewn tomb. So the only way
that Jesus could be up on the surface of the Earth and down its interior
simultaneously was for he and his body to part company and go their
separate ways.
That isn't an unreasonable posit. According to Matt 10:28, the body is
perishable by most any means, whereas the soul is perishable only by divine
means. In other words; the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily
simultaneous, viz: the soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give
it either a thumb up or a thumb down.
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Actually, Saturday sunset to Sunday sunrise is one night, not one day. So that makes two days and two nights ; it's missing a day and a night. If Jesus died on the Thursday rather than the Friday, then it makes the prophesied three days and three nights.
Rockerduck
Well-Known Member
I learned that Thursday was preparation day and Friday was a sabbath on this high sabbath. It was preparation day because you had to cook or prepare two days of food, because you could do nothing on Friday or Saturday. So, if the Thursday preparation day was for cooking. Jesus had to die on the Cross Thursday, because Friday and Saturday was a Sabbath. Hince, Jesus is risen on Sunday.
Or better still, read what it actually says! '... should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day {starting Thursday evening}, (for that sabbath day was an high {sabbath} day {not a weekly sabbath day, starting Friday evening)'.
Matthew 28:1 (LSV):
(1) After the Sabbaths, around dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to take a look at the burial site.
Dawn on the first day of the week is Sunday morning, so if there were two sabbaths before that then it must have been the normal weekly sabbath and the high sabbath the day before (starting Thursday evening). That confirms that Jesus was crucified on the Thurdays afternoon, and that Jesus' prophesy of Matthew 12:40 (WEB):
(40) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
was fulfilled.
shepherdsword
Well-Known Member
He was crucified on a Wednesday:
Late Wednesday: Jesus is crucified and buried.
Early Thursday (Passover) through Late Saturday (Sabbath): Jesus is in the tomb.
Friday (between the two Sabbaths): the women buy and prepare the spices.
Early Sunday: Jesus rises from the dead, and the women find the empty tomb.
Rockerduck
Well-Known Member
Thursday was preparation day. Prepare food for 2 days for the Friday and Saturday sabbath.
shepherdsword
Well-Known Member
You can't get three full days and nights between Thurs and Fri. It occurred in AD 28. This aligns the date with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
not confined too if by that you mean GOD can speak TRUTH TO US
then correct . OF course he can . He can even shew us things to come and etc .
BUT IF ANYTHING , and i do mean ANYTHING we THINK we hear from GOD
contradicts WHAT IS WRITTEN . RUN and dont heed that voice cause IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
You dont have any relatives who go by the name CLAUDIO do you . You look like him . SO i was wondering .
Course he is down here in texas . OR at least he was about six months ago .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
The simple truth is whether it was on wednesday or etc
ALL we need to do is BELIEVE IT OCCURED .
However with that said , i think many dont understand there were different sabbaths .
HIGH sabbaths could occur . Like passover and a few other HOLIDAYS .
The regular sabbath was on every fri from evening to the morning of sunday .
But WE do notice A HIGH SABBATH that time . THE PASSOVER .
Now it could have fallen on any day of the week as they kept it on the FOURTEENTH .
over the month nisan . Well a few times SOME would have missed it could then perform it on the second month .
BUT the point is , IT MIGHT very well have BEEN on a wednesday as you stated .
But again my point is , WHAT TRULY MATTERS is not that we knew the actual day , whether wed , thur , fri
BUT THAT WE SIMPLY BELEIVE . as i am sure you would agree with that .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
A fact . IT DID OCCUR on that day . cause the jews DID this on the fourteenth day of NISSAN .
SO that is a fact my friend . Now on what day that was that year . WELL i dont know if it was wed , thur , or fri .
BUT IT WAS ON THE FOURTEENTH day OF that month .
ON that you are spot on right .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Thus there would have been TWO sabbaths that week . THE HIGH SABBATH and the regular weekly one .
Some of us just love reading our bibles all the time . ITS how by grace i know this .
Just as it was how i knew that if jews could not attend the MONTH of nissan , they had the second month on which they did it .
THAT TOO is quite clear in the bible .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
actually my best guess was it was on thurs . because thur night , fri night , sat night is three nights
but again i was not there so i cant say for sure . but it seems it would have been the case .
Either way , the MAIN thing is WE BELEIVE IN HIM , That he was CRUCIFIED For our sins
and raised again for our justification .
Expanding on this, where was the Spirit of Christ for the time His body was dead.
Christ did actually die, he went the way of all flesh in death.
What do you believe?
12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.
Christ did actually die, he went the way of all flesh in death.
What do you believe?
12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.
The order of the events of Christ
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
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'Then comes the end'
The end of this world and the beginning of the world to come.
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
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'Then comes the end'
The end of this world and the beginning of the world to come.
