rstrats said:
zeke25,
re: "Your are not going to find that which you are looking for. Those that have the material have a hidden agenda and the writings you seek will not see the light of day."
Why would someone who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week hide any writing that would support their assertion that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language?
re: "If you want the truth, read what I have written."
For the purpose of this topic, the only truth I'm interested in is to see if there is any truth to the assertion that Matthew 12:40 is using "common" Jewish idiomatic language.
re: "...why don't you come forth and reveal your agenda."
See above.
Hi rstrats,
In answer to your question...Mt. 12:40 is not using Jewish idiomatic language. There is no such idiom regarding the 3D/3N. It is what it is. That's why you're not going to find any confirmation of it. In fact, Mt. 12:40 sets the standard for all the references that follow regarding the count between the crucifixion and the resurrection.
Daniel 7:25, "the changing of the times" is why it is hidden. But it is hidden in various ways. It is hidden because the changing of the times brings confusion to the Bible and it brings confusion to Christianity. In other words, it discredits the claims that the Bible is reliable and that Christianity is true. Most hate Yahoshua, they hate Christianity, they hate Christians and they would like nothing better than to see it destroyed. And I'm speaking of most all denominations and religious leaders. It will be easier to bring in the NWO (New World Order) religion by tearing down the old order. This is the way the generational satanists work. This is why the family is under attack (abortion, homosexuality, plural marriages, unions without marriage, etc.) and this is why Christianity is under attack. All of this weakens the moral order than God has established. The changing of the times has already occurred - this is a tremendous weapon in the hands of those who hate God. There is no way one can count 3D/3N between the crucifixion and the resurrection if the crucifixion happened on Friday and the resurrection happened on Sunday - it will never work. A myriad of preposterous fables have arisen to try and explain a simple count that cannot be reconciled with the false requirements placed upon the events. The resurrection did not take place on Sunday. The crucifixion did not take place on Friday. It is all a grand conspiracy, but one must believe that the enemy of your soul is really that hard at work and that he has enlisted the aid of most of humanity to accomplish his deception. To his delight, many souls are dragged to hell daily. In his mind this is the only battle he can win to try and harm (if that were possible) the Almighty God. I could go on and on. But, yes, there are many who would will do anything to cause more confusion - as a further answer to your question.
How have the times been changed? Evening in the Bible means afternoon. Evening has been changed to mean that which it means to us in our modern society. A day begins at sunrise. That has been changed to mean it begins at sunset. All calendars in use are corruptions from the Calendar of Scripture - which almost no one uses, because they do not know who to construct one from the Bible. Idioms have been invented that are nothing but pipe dreams. Everyone is looking for a "changing of the times" that they think will be easily recognized. No it will not, because people have already missed that it has already been changed for centuries.
There's more that can be said. But not this posting. But I will say, that most do not see any significance to all of this. They shrug their shoulders and say, "So, what." They are totally unaware, just as a 3 year old that chases his ball into traffic. His focus is on the ball, not his pending death. It fact, he mocks his mom who is yelling for him to stop, he mocks her by ignoring her and continuing to his doom, because he doesn't see the danger himself. This is not a game. We are dealing with real, eternal threats, and death for every living man, woman, and child. If it were not for our Lord and Savior, we would already all be goners. God will not be mocked, nor will He lose.
In Christ,
Rick (Zeke25)
rstrats,
The following is an extract from my writings on this subject:
HOW LONG WAS YAHOSHUA'S BODY DEAD
5.a. What does the Bible teach about how long Yahoshua the Christ will be in the heart of the earth when crucified until His resurrection? Let us look at all the Scriptures that give us time markers. Remember, we must consider the whole counsel of God, not just a Scripture or two taken out of context. The context is that all of the Scriptures addressing this subject should be considered as a whole. Some provide more complete information that others do not; such as, Matthew 12:40. But all of the information given by all the various Scriptures must be taken into account in order for us to receive a proper understanding of the topic at hand.
Matthew 12:40 KJV "
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." It does not get any clearer than this. It was three days and three nights. No other combination can qualify. The time marker of “day” in this verse refers to only the daylight portion of a day. The time marker of “night” in this verse refers to only the night portion of a day. Please note that since Christ Yahoshua died during the day, so when one counts three days and three nights, the count ends on the third night. The count does not end during the day.
Matthew 16:21 KJV, "
From that time forth began [Yahoshua] to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day." Being raised on the third day necessitates that this time marker of “
day” means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well (see Matthew 12:40 above). We know this because we accumulate information as we go through the Scriptures, we do not place the Scriptures in opposition to one another. Since He began His sojourn in the heart of the earth on the first day, how can he complete three days and three nights except that His sojourns ends during the third night. Therefore, this third night is part of the third day.
Matthew 17:23 KJV, "
And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.
Matthew 20:19 KJV, "
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.
Matthew 26:61 KJV, "
And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days." Even though this was a false witness speaking, this part of his testimony was true. Refer to John 2:19-20 below. By cross referencing with Mark 14:58 below, we know that when Yahoshua said He would build the temple in three days that He was referring to the temple of His body. He was prophesying that He would rise from the dead on the third day (the nighttime portion of the third day).
Matthew 27:40 KJV, "And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest
it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the [execution stake].
”
Matthew 27:62-64 KJV, "
62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate. 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first." Since His body died on preparation day, Thursday Abib 13, then after 3 days would be Saturday Abib 15. Thursday is day one, Thursday night is night one; Friday is day two, Friday night is night two; Saturday day is day three, Saturday night is night three. If one tries to count, for even one minute or one second, into Sunday Abib 16 then we are speaking of day four. Matthew 12:40 and Matthew 27:63 must be in agreement with each other. Matthew 12:40 does not support a fourth day of being in the heart of the earth.
5.b. But there is more to be said about Matthew 27:64. The time marker "
be made sure until the third day" shows us that the Pharisees apparently believed Yahoshua's prophecy. One day and night had already passed. It was now the second day of His death and they obviously were not concerned about His body being stolen the first night. They were concerned about the day of Saturday both the day time hours and the night time hours that followed. So, when they made known their request to Pilate, it was Friday (Passover). When they requested the tomb be made secure until the third day, they were counting from Friday and going forward in time until Sunday. Yahoshua's prophecy was that He would rise sometime Saturday night, if the Pharisees secured the tomb until Sunday then they felt that they had it covered. In reality, this group of demonized Pharisees were looking to the power of Rome to stop the resurrection power of God. Ignorant men!
Mark 8:31 KJV, "
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.” The word day has several meanings and it must be determined from the context which of those meanings apply. We know that Matthew 12:40 sets the stage regarding the count of days and nights in which Yahoshua’s body will be dead. Since He died during the daylight hours, then He must have risen during the nighttime hours of a 24-hour day. Matthew 12:40 uses the word day to mean the daylight portion of a day only.
Mark 9:31 KJV, "
For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.
Mark 10:34 KJV, "
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.
Mark 14:58 KJV, "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.
"
Mark 15:29 KJV, "And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest
it in three days[.]
"
Luke 9:22 KJV, "Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
"
Luke 18:33 KJV, "And they shall scourge
him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
"
Luke 24:7 KJV, "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
"
Luke 24:46 KJV, "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day[.]
"
John 2:19-20 KJV, "19 [Yahoshua] answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
" Yahoshua, of course, was speaking of the temple of His body that He would raise up.
Acts 10:40 KJV, "Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly[.]
"
1 Corinthians 15:4 KJV, "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures[.]
"
5.c. There is a possible problem with Matthew 27:63 wherein the Pharisees are reported to have said "
after (Strong's 3326 meta)
three days". My concern is about the word
after. Let us assume that the Greek word
meta was the valid choice that the translators had to use. This phrase means to us in modern day English that Christ was not going to rise on the third day, but after the third day, which is the fourth day. If this is exactly what the Pharisees spoke and meant, then they were lying to Pilate. These Pharisees have already shown themselves to be men of low degree without integrity, without the love of God, and actually full of hate for God. So, if they embellished their story to Pilate to suit their own desires, that is not hard for us to believe. What is important for us today, as we study these Scriptures, is not to be confused and believe that we have a verse that claims that Christ will rise on the fourth day, when we know that is not true. At the most we have a Scripture that shows the Pharisees claimed that Christ said the fourth day, when in actuality He never said anything other than the third day.
Zeke25
rstrats,
Just to explain my agenda. I'm not here to defend a denomination. I am not here to win an argument. I'm here because I love people as Christ does. I want to see them turn from fables and lies and embrace the Son of God and be saved.
Rick
