Three Days and Three Nights

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Scripture does not teach a Sunday resurrection. Read all four gospels. What
about they arrived while it was still dark. Early in the morning, does not
mean that the sun has risen. Sunday doesn't start until the sun has
risen.

Well; I did like you said and checked with all four gospels. I found that none
of them say that the women "arrived" in the dark. It looks to me like they
left home during the final moments of morning twilight, and by the time they
got out to the cemetery, twilight was over and the sun was up.

That's really the only sensible explanation seeing as how the preponderance
of textual evidence testifies that Christ rose on a day rather than during a
night; e.g. Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke
24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4

Conclusion: Your statement is partially true, but not wholly true; viz: it's a
half truth.

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[zeke25]

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Well; I did like you said and checked with all four gospels. I found that none
of them say that the women "arrived" in the dark. It looks to me like they
left home during the final moments of morning twilight, and by the time they
got out to the cemetery, twilight was over and the sun was up.

That's really the only sensible explanation seeing as how the preponderance
of textual evidence testifies that Christ rose on a day rather than during a
night; e.g. Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke
24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4

Conclusion: Your statement is partially true, but not wholly true; viz: it's a
half truth.

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Weber,

The women arrived in the dark. A quote from John 20:1 and an excerpt from my teaching on this subject:

10.f. John 20:1 TIB, "But on the first of the sabbaths Mary Magdalene came early (Strong's G4404 proi) to the tomb, darkness yet being on it. And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb." John's gospel helps us understand, perhaps more than the other three, exactly how this scene played out. But remember, as we are doing, all the Scriptures, the full counsel of God must be consulted, before we have the full story. John's gospel is not in opposition to the other gospels, it is complimentary to them. So, that the fours gospels together give us the complete picture that we need.

"But on the first of the sabbaths" means that the coming day was Sunday Abib 16, and that it was the first day of the first week in which the counting of seven perfect sabbaths was to begin. "Came early" means that the sun had not risen and the new day had not yet officially begun. Remember that we just explained above that proi translated as early means the day-break watch. "Darkness yet being on it" leaves zero doubt about the position of the sun - it had not risen yet because it was still dark. This parallel passage in John affirms the exegesis that I have given all along in all the four gospels regarding the time markers used to describe the time of day in which the Marys arrived at the tomb.

10.g. Our final conclusion, based partly on that which is taught in these four parallel Scriptures, is that Christ Yahoshua was resurrected from the dead late Saturday night Abib 15 and prior to sunrise on Sunday morning Abib 16. This satisfies all the requirements given in Matthew 12:40 and all the other Scriptures that describe the number of days in which our Savior was in the heart of the earth.

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Mt 12:40 explains that He was crucified on a day, and after counting 3D/3N we must end during a night.

Mt 17:23 says that he was raised the 3rd day. Of course that means the night time portion of the 3rd day. After all, 3 days had already transpired, so by the 3rd night, the day time portion of the 3 days had already been used up.

Mk 9:31 is the same as Mt 17:23 - same explanation.

Lk 9:22 - ditto.

Lk 24:1 identifies the day as Sunday when Yahoshua took a walk on the road to Emmaus. Lk 24:21 Cleopas states that it has been 3 days since these things happened. A Thursday afternoon crucifixion means that one day later (a 24 hour day) it was Friday afternoon. Two days later it was Saturday afternoon. Three days later it was Sunday afternoon. Simple arithmetic. How would you have counted it? If you went bowling on Thursday afternoon and you were telling a friend about it on Sunday afternoon. You would say that you went bowling 3 days ago. They are having a conversation for crying out loud. Cleopas was not introduced as an astronomer. And even if he were, even astronomers can have a normal conversation.

Lk 24:46 - ditto after Lk 9:22.

Acts 10:40 - ditto.

1 Co 15:4 - ditto.


My statements are in agreement with the Scriptures and the Scriptures are 100% true.

zeke25

 

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According to God's statements at Gen 1:3-5 and Gen 1:14-18, Day is
defined as when the sun is up, and Night is defined as when the sun is
down.

If people are unable to accept God's statements; then I should think that
they would at least be willing to accept Christ's as to the definitions of the
nights and days pertaining to his burial and resurrection.

†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

In other words: according to Christ's statement; Day is when the sun is up,
and Night is when the sun is down. Most children understand this by the
time they're three years-old but for some odd reason, there are a number of
supposedly intelligent grown-ups out and about who just don't get it.

†. Matt 11:25-26 . . I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because
you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them
to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

FAQ: Not all days consist of twelve hours of sunlight. Where did Christ get
that?

A: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by
what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with
the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when
days on earth consist of less than 12 hours of daylight, and sometimes
more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12
regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect they did so
because it was a convenient way to operate the government and conduct
civil affairs; including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and
evening sacrifices)

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[zeke25]

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According to God's statements at Gen 1:3-5 and Gen 1:14-18, Day is
defined as when the sun is up, and Night is defined as when the sun is
down.

If people are unable to accept God's statements; then I should think that
they would at least be willing to accept Christ's as to the definitions of the
nights and days pertaining to his burial and resurrection.

†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

In other words: according to Christ's statement; Day is when the sun is up,
and Night is when the sun is down. Most children understand this by the
time they're three years-old but for some odd reason, there are a number of
supposedly intelligent grown-ups out and about who just don't get it.

†. Matt 11:25-26 . . I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because
you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them
to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

FAQ: Not all days consist of twelve hours of sunlight. Where did Christ get
that?

A: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by
what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with
the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when
days on earth consist of less than 12 hours of daylight, and sometimes
more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12
regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect they did so
because it was a convenient way to operate the government and conduct
civil affairs; including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and
evening sacrifices)

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Weber,

I agree Ge 1:3-5 defines a day for us. Look at the last sentence in verse 5: “And the evening and the morning were the first day.”
Genesis 1:3-5 KJV, “3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.”
“Evening” means sunset and “morning” means sunrise. So, a full 24 hour (aprxly) day included all day long, then all night long, until the sun rose again and a new day started. But as one goes through the Scriptures it is easy to find that “day” has multiple meanings: (1) there is the daylight portion of a day, (2) there is a nighttime portion of a day, (3) there is a 24 hours day, and (4) day can mean a period of time that is a few days long or even years long (e.g., in the “day” of Abraham Lincoln lots of people in Illinois lived in log cabins).

Ge 1:14-18. Also, add Ge 1:19. Ditto to the above.

It is not a matter of people not being able to accept God’s definition of a day, it is a matter of people not understanding the Scriptures that they read.

John 11:9. It’s okay to talk about the daylight portion of a day as being light, because that is what it is. But that doesn’t mean that is the only way the word “day” is used and the only thing that “day” means. Do you think you’re reading a physics manual for crying out loud? This is normal conversation.

Weber said: “In other words: according to Christ's statement; Day is when the sun is up,
and Night is when the sun is down. Most children understand this by the
time they're three years-old but for some odd reason, there are a number of
supposedly intelligent grown-ups out and about who just don't get it.”





LOL. I know what you mean. You are apply a three years old take on the Bible. Grow-up man. 1 Corinthians 13:11 KJV, “11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”

Look Weber, I’d be a little more gentle with you, but you’re trying to ridicule your apologetic rather than present the facts and properly discerning Scripture. You be nice and I’ll get serious. But I’ve dealt with you before and I don’t see the discernment of God in you, only your denominational training. Get out of your box and come into the fullness that the Bible has to offer. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV, “15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”





Weber said: Ҡ. Matt 11:25-26 . . I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because
you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them
to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.”

Sorry, I guess you don’t qualify even as a little child. It hasn’t been revealed to you yet. It’s time you started doing your own study with the Holy Ghost and leave the teachings you have received behind.

Christ’s referral to 12 hours a day was merely an expression. He was not speaking to astronomers, he was speaking to the people on the street and to you and to me. If someone asks you how many string beans are left in the pan, are you going to count them? I doubt it. You’re going to glance and see that there are maybe 10 to 15 left and you will probably answer that there are about a dozen left. Will the person who asked you going to go count them and hit you with a spoon if they only count eleven? Let’s get real and get out of these fantasy definitions you are using with no Biblical support.


zeke25

 

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Someone new looking in may know of some writing.

 

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The Hebrew word for "day" is a bit ambiguous. According to Gen 1:3-5 and
Gen 1:14-18, yowm (yome) indicates daylight; viz; when the sun is up as
opposed to when the sun is down.

At Gen 2:4, yowm indicates the entire creation endeavor.

In the passage below, we're introduced to yet a third ambiguity.

"And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day." (Gen 1:5)

In accordance with a normal; strict chronological sequence; evening and
morning would indicate overnight; viz: a day of creation would take place
entirely in the dark.

The trick is: there is no specific Hebrew word for afternoon. So the word
'ereb (eh'-reb) suffices for that portion of the day. Technically 'ereb means
"dusk" which Webster's defines as: 1) the darker part of twilight especially
at night, and 2) darkness or semidarkness caused by the shutting out of
light.

However, 'ereb is just as ambiguous as yowm. So it takes a bit of sleuthing
sometimes to figure out just what the Old Testament means by that word.

Take for example the rules for preparing the Passover. The Bible stipulates
slaughtering and roasting the lambs read to eat by sundown. The time of
day stipulated for that chore is evening. Well; if the Jews were to wait till
dusk to begin slaughtering and roasting their lambs ready to eat by
sundown, they would not have enough time to complete the task. So in that
event, "evening" is obviously meant to be taken as afternoon rather than
dusk.

A good rule of thumb is: "morning" can be taken to indicate the hours of
daytime between sunrise and high noon, and "evening" can be taken to
indicate the hours of daytime between high noon and sunset, and "night"
can be taken to indicate the hours of nighttime between sunset and sunrise.

BTW: Christ, our passover, died at 3'clock in the afternoon, which is
another good indication that "evening" should not be taken to be dusk in
regards to the Passover. In point of fact, while Christ was passing away, the
Jews were busy getting ready for their Passover; which of course includes
slaughtering their lambs and roasting them ready to eat by sundown.

So then; what does "evening and morning" really mean? Does it mean
twelve hours or does it mean twenty-four hours?

The simplest way to resolve this issue. and get it over with, is to let the days
of creation be unique; viz: let them begin at high noon and run until high
noon the following day. In that manner, a strict chronological sequence
would be composed of both nighttime hours and daytime hours.

High noon to high noon may seem a peculiar way of keeping track of time
but in my estimation it's no more peculiar then midnight to midnight, or
sundown to sundown.

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[zeke25]

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The Hebrew word for "day" is a bit ambiguous. According to Gen 1:3-5 and
Gen 1:14-18, yowm (yome) indicates daylight; viz; when the sun is up as
opposed to when the sun is down.

At Gen 2:4, yowm indicates the entire creation endeavor.

In the passage below, we're introduced to yet a third ambiguity.

"And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day." (Gen 1:5)

In accordance with a normal; strict chronological sequence; evening and
morning would indicate overnight; viz: a day of creation would take place
entirely in the dark.

The trick is: there is no specific Hebrew word for afternoon. So the word
'ereb (eh'-reb) suffices for that portion of the day. Technically 'ereb means
"dusk" which Webster's defines as: 1) the darker part of twilight especially
at night, and 2) darkness or semidarkness caused by the shutting out of
light.

However, 'ereb is just as ambiguous as yowm. So it takes a bit of sleuthing
sometimes to figure out just what the Old Testament means by that word.

Take for example the rules for preparing the Passover. The Bible stipulates
slaughtering and roasting the lambs read to eat by sundown. The time of
day stipulated for that chore is evening. Well; if the Jews were to wait till
dusk to begin slaughtering and roasting their lambs ready to eat by
sundown, they would not have enough time to complete the task. So in that
event, "evening" is obviously meant to be taken as afternoon rather than
dusk.

A good rule of thumb is: "morning" can be taken to indicate the hours of
daytime between sunrise and high noon, and "evening" can be taken to
indicate the hours of daytime between high noon and sunset, and "night"
can be taken to indicate the hours of nighttime between sunset and sunrise.

BTW: Christ, our passover, died at 3'clock in the afternoon, which is
another good indication that "evening" should not be taken to be dusk in
regards to the Passover. In point of fact, while Christ was passing away, the
Jews were busy getting ready for their Passover; which of course includes
slaughtering their lambs and roasting them ready to eat by sundown.

So then; what does "evening and morning" really mean? Does it mean
twelve hours or does it mean twenty-four hours?

The simplest way to resolve this issue. and get it over with, is to let the days
of creation be unique; viz: let them begin at high noon and run until high
noon the following day. In that manner, a strict chronological sequence
would be composed of both nighttime hours and daytime hours.

High noon to high noon may seem a peculiar way of keeping track of time
but in my estimation it's no more peculiar then midnight to midnight, or
sundown to sundown.

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Actually there is no ambiguity with the Hebrew word yowm. Like many words it has several meanings that must be determined by the context in which it is used. In my last post #224 I gave you a list. Here it is again:

But as one goes through the Scriptures it is easy to find that “day” has multiple meanings: (1) there is the daylight portion of a day, (2) there is a nighttime portion of a day, (3) there is a 24 hours day, and (4) day can mean a period of time that is a few days long or even years long (e.g., in the “day” of Abraham Lincoln lots of people in Illinois lived in log cabins).

The key to this time marker of “yowm” is another time marker, the Hebrew word ereb.

Under Christian Forums, under Bible Study Forum, is the thread named “Twilight versus Between the Eveings” in post #3, paras 2b thru 2d, the possible uses (Biblical definitions) for ereb are given. Without this knowledge you can go no further in understanding what a day is.

Ereb is our modern day afternoon. But it also has several other meanings: (1) the first ereb of the day is noon, (2) the second ereb of the day is sunset, (3) ereb can mean the entire period from noon to sunset, and (4) ereb can mean any time between noon and sunset. What it most definitely does not mean is any time after sunset. As with yowm, the meaning to apply to each ereb used is determined by the context. You will find every example in the KJ Bible in the thread I referred you to - and this includes opsios in the NT.

Without this knowledge one cannot understand what is meant by the phrase in Genesis 1 “And there was evening and there was morning the first day.” You can find this thread in the same forum under the name of “A Day Begins At Sunrise”. In chronological order, (1) God began His creation activity when the day begins, (2) when it is evening (the 2nd ereb of the day), the sun sets. (3) Then all night long just waits for “and then there was morning” (which means the sun has risen). (4) The first (etc) day. The first day has now ended and a new day begins.

Don’t get confused by Websters dictionary. He doesn’t know what ereb/opsios/even/evening means in the Bible anymore than 99.9% of all Biblical scholars, translators, etc.

Weber said: “In point of fact, while Christ was passing away, the
Jews were busy getting ready for their Passover; which of course includes
slaughtering their lambs and roasting them ready to eat by sundown.”

This is not correct. They prepare their lambs on Friday, Christ was crucified on Thursday. This is a long teaching, do you have time?

Except for day one during Creation Week, each day began at the time of sunrise and ended about 24 hours later at sunrise. This is a long explanation too. But refer to the two teachings I’ve listed here and it will hopefully make more sense.


Zeke25

 

[zeke25]

Someone new looking in may know of some writing.

Hi rstrats,

I'm curious. You've been at this for awhile. Suppose someone provides you with the info you're looking for. What will that do for you? Will it change your doctrine? Will it confirm doctrine that you already believe? Are you going to win or lose a bet? Are you pursuing other ways of finding this info? I'm just wondering what your multiple year quest will benefit you, if you find an answer? (But of course, we have discussed this before and you know that I said the answer you seek does not exist outside of the Bible).

Zeke25

 

[rstrats]

Zeke25,
re: " Suppose someone provides you with the info you're looking for. What will that do for you? Will it change your doctrine?"

No. All things being equal, it would only show that Matthew 12:40 could be using idiomatic language - not that it is using it (i.e.,that the Messiah actually meant 2 nights when He said 3 nights). I am simply curious for curiosities' sake to see if anyone can support their assertion. So far no one has done that.

　
　
re: "Are you going to win or lose a bet?"

No, but that does give me an idea for the future.

　

re: "Are you pursuing other ways of finding this info?"

I've asked folks in person, but so far no one has supported their position.



re: "we have discussed this before and you know that I said the answer you seek does not exist outside of the Bible."

An answer from scripture will be fine - even preferable.

 

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Recapping posts 221, 223, and 226.

1• In the beginning, God defined day as light, and night He defined as
darkness (Gen 1:3-5)

2• In the beginning, God further defined day as when the sun is up, and
furthur defined night as when the sun is down. (Gen 1:14-18)

3• Christ defined day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is
down. (John 11:9)

4• A preponderance of New Testament textual evidence indicates that Christ
revived on the third day rather than on a fourth after the third was
completely over. (Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24,
Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4)

5• The New Testament's language indicates that the women didn't arrive
at the cemetery prior to sunrise, but traveled to the cemetery during the
latter part of morning twilight and by the time they arrived, the sun was up.

NOTE: The most common error that people make when they try to figure out
the chronology of Christ's burial and resurrection is using calendar days
instead of daytime days.

A calendar day is a 24-hour amalgam of both day and night, whereas a
daytime day is only sunrise to sunset. When people finally let go of their
calendar-day theories, the calculation become much simpler; so simple in
fact that even a second-grade school kid can figure it out.

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[zeke25]

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Recapping posts 221, 223, and 226.

1• In the beginning, God defined day as light, and night He defined as
darkness (Gen 1:3-5)

2• In the beginning, God further defined day as when the sun is up, and
furthur defined night as when the sun is down. (Gen 1:14-18)

3• Christ defined day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is
down. (John 11:9)

4• A preponderance of New Testament textual evidence indicates that Christ
revived on the third day rather than on a fourth after the third was
completely over. (Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24,
Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4)

5• The New Testament's language indicates that the women didn't arrive
at the cemetery prior to sunrise, but traveled to the cemetery during the
latter part of morning twilight and by the time they arrived, the sun was up.

NOTE: The most common error that people make when they try to figure out
the chronology of Christ's burial and resurrection is using calendar days
instead of daytime days.

A calendar day is a 24-hour amalgam of both day and night, whereas a
daytime day is only sunrise to sunset. When people finally let go of their
calendar-day theories, the calculation become much simpler; so simple in
fact that even a second-grade school kid can figure it out.

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Weber,

I see you have no intention of being teachable. That’s unfortunate. You can hang onto the old canned teachings that 99.99% of Christendom teaches (that includes all the other heretical tangents some take) about the three days and three nights. But you have chosen a path that mocks the teachings of Scripture. You have called into question the veracity of the Scriptures. There is no way you can count 3D/3N with your heretical scenario. You must be comfortable with that. But this, of course, hinders your entire walk with Christ. You have accepted compromise and lies and embraced them. How do you ever expect to move on to a deeper relationship with Christ?

It is a flat out lie to claim that Christ was resurrected during the day and that the Marys arrived at the tomb during the day light. That totally contradicts all four gospels. I could help you study the proper way and show you how this is true. But, sadly, you are not interested. Let me know if you change your mind.

Don’t bother to read my next post that I’m giving to rstrats. You won’t like it -it has truth and reason in it. Besides, if you give up your current heresy it will mean that you have to part with everyone you know in Christendom, because they will not accept it. Your choice, go with your friends or go with God.


zeke25

 

[zeke25]

Zeke25,
re: " Suppose someone provides you with the info you're looking for. What will that do for you? Will it change your doctrine?"

No. All things being equal, it would only show that Matthew 12:40 could be using idiomatic language - not that it is using it (i.e.,that the Messiah actually meant 2 nights when He said 3 nights). I am simply curious for curiosities' sake to see if anyone can support their assertion. So far no one has done that.

　
　
re: "Are you going to win or lose a bet?"

No, but that does give me an idea for the future.

　

re: "Are you pursuing other ways of finding this info?"

I've asked folks in person, but so far no one has supported their position.



re: "we have discussed this before and you know that I said the answer you seek does not exist outside of the Bible."

An answer from scripture will be fine - even preferable.

rstrats,

Matthew 12:40 is the first Scripture in the NT that speaks of the 3D/3N. It is definitely not idiomatic language. It is the raw truth and sets the stage for all references in the NT regarding the timing of the crucifixion and the resurrection.

In my teaching “Crucifixion Week and the Harmony of the Gospels” (59 pages and 16 ½ thousand words) I address the 3D/3N and list every verse that mentions the 3D/3N, giving exegesis where appropriate. This is only one teaching of ten (total of 57,000 words) I have on this subject. Each teaching builds upon the previous teachings. All are based on Scripture, not on the errant conjecture of men (such as scholars, translators, lexicographers, etc.).

Here goes. BTW, I'm the only one who talks about time markers in Scripture. The Holy Ghost gave me this information. He first, however, trained me for three decades to be a time keeping expert.

HOW LONG WAS YAHOSHUA'S BODY DEAD

5.a. What does the Bible teach about how long Yahoshua the Christ will be in the heart of the earth when crucified until His resurrection? Let us look at all the Scriptures that give us time markers. Remember, we must consider the whole counsel of God, not just a Scripture or two taken out of context. The context is that all of the Scriptures addressing this subject should be considered as a whole. Some provide more complete information that others do not; such as, Matthew 12:40. But all of the information given by all the various Scriptures must be taken into account in order for us to receive a proper understanding of the topic at hand.

Matthew 12:40 KJV "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." It does not get any clearer than this. It was three days and three nights. No other combination can qualify. The time marker of “day” in this verse refers to only the daylight portion of a day. The time marker of “night” in this verse refers to only the night portion of a day. Please note that since Christ Yahoshua died during the day, so when one counts three days and three nights, the count ends on the third night. The count does not end during the day.

Matthew 16:21 KJV, "From that time forth began [Yahoshua] to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day." Being raised on the third day necessitates that this time marker of “day” means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well (see Matthew 12:40 above). We know this because we accumulate information as we go through the Scriptures, we do not place the Scriptures in opposition to one another. Since He began His sojourn in the heart of the earth on the first day, how can he complete three days and three nights except that His sojourns ends during the third night. Therefore, this third night is part of the third day.

Matthew 17:23 KJV, "And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.

Matthew 20:19 KJV, "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.

Matthew 26:61 KJV, "And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days." Even though this was a false witness speaking, this part of his testimony was true. Refer to John 2:19-20 below. By cross referencing with Mark 14:58 below, we know that when Yahoshua said He would build the temple in three days that He was referring to the temple of His body. He was prophesying that He would rise from the dead on the third day (the nighttime portion of the third day).

Matthew 27:40 KJV, "And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the [execution stake].”

Matthew 27:62-64 KJV, "62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate. 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first." Since His body died on preparation day, Thursday Abib 13, then after 3 days would be Saturday Abib 15. Thursday is day one, Thursday night is night one; Friday is day two, Friday night is night two; Saturday day is day three, Saturday night is night three. If one tries to count, for even one minute or one second, into Sunday Abib 16 then we are speaking of day four. Matthew 12:40 and Matthew 27:63 must be in agreement with each other. Matthew 12:40 does not support a fourth day of being in the heart of the earth.

5.b. But there is more to be said about Matthew 27:64. The time marker "be made sure until the third day" shows us that the Pharisees apparently believed Yahoshua's prophecy. One day and night had already passed. It was now the second day of His death and they obviously were not concerned about His body being stolen the first night. They were concerned about the day of Saturday both the day time hours and the night time hours that followed. So, when they made known their request to Pilate, it was Friday (Passover). When they requested the tomb be made secure until the third day, they were counting from Friday and going forward in time until Sunday. Yahoshua's prophecy was that He would rise sometime Saturday night, if the Pharisees secured the tomb until Sunday then they felt that they had it covered. In reality, this group of demonized Pharisees were looking to the power of Rome to stop the resurrection power of God. Ignorant men!

Mark 8:31 KJV, "And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.” The word day has several meanings and it must be determined from the context which of those meanings apply. We know that Matthew 12:40 sets the stage regarding the count of days and nights in which Yahoshua’s body will be dead. Since He died during the daylight hours, then He must have risen during the nighttime hours of a 24-hour day. Matthew 12:40 uses the word day to mean the daylight portion of a day only.

Mark 9:31 KJV, "For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.

Mark 10:34 KJV, "And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.” As in Matthew 16:21, this third day means both the daylight portion of a day followed by the night portion of the day as well, since it has already been established that He will rise during the night time portion of a day.

Mark 14:58 KJV, "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands."

Mark 15:29 KJV, "And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days[.]"

Luke 9:22 KJV, "Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."

Luke 18:33 KJV, "And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."

Luke 24:7 KJV, "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."

Luke 24:46 KJV, "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day[.]"

John 2:19-20 KJV, "19 [Yahoshua] answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" Yahoshua, of course, was speaking of the temple of His body that He would raise up.

Acts 10:40 KJV, "Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly[.]"

1 Corinthians 15:4 KJV, "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures[.]"

5.c. There is a possible problem with Matthew 27:63 wherein the Pharisees are reported to have said "after (Strong's 3326 meta) three days". My concern is about the word after. Let us assume that the Greek word meta was the valid choice that the translators had to use. This phrase means to us in modern day English that Christ was not going to rise on the third day, but after the third day, which is the fourth day. If this is exactly what the Pharisees spoke and meant, then they were lying to Pilate. These Pharisees have already shown themselves to be men of low degree without integrity, without the love of God, and actually full of hate for God. So, if they embellished their story to Pilate to suit their own desires, that is not hard for us to believe. What is important for us today, as we study these Scriptures, is not to be confused and believe that we have a verse that claims that Christ will rise on the fourth day, when we know that is not true. At the most we have a Scripture that shows the Pharisees claimed that Christ said the fourth day, when in actuality He never said anything other than the third day.


Zeke25

 

[rstrats]

A number of sixth day of the week crucifixion/first day of the week resurrection advocates try to explain the three nights of Matthew 12:40 in several different ways. Three of the most popular are:

1. They count the three hours that the sun was darkened as one of the nights.
2. They count the night when the Messiah was taken in the garden as one of the nights.
3. They say that Matthew 12:40 is using common idiomatic language where the Messiah actually meant two nights even though He said three nights.

For the purpose of this topic it is the 3rd one which is of interesst. And note that the purpose is not regarding whether or not it is an idiom, but whether of not it is a common idiom.

 

[zeke25]

A number of sixth day of the week crucifixion/first day of the week resurrection advocates try to explain the three nights of Matthew 12:40 in several different ways. Three of the most popular are:

1. They count the three hours that the sun was darkened as one of the nights.
2. They count the night when the Messiah was taken in the garden as one of the nights.
3. They say that Matthew 12:40 is using common idiomatic language where the Messiah actually meant two nights even though He said three nights.

For the purpose of this topic it is the 3rd one which is of interesst. And note that the purpose is not regarding whether or not it is an idiom, but whether of not it is a common idiom.

Hi rstrats,

1. They count the three hours that the sun was darkened as one of the nights. This is so sad. I know that various people pull these type of stunts all the time. People that do not know or understand the Scriptures and they do not know how to tell Biblical time. I have more grace for the pew sitters, but the scholars anger me immensely for their unmitigated stupidity. There’s not a spiritual bone in their entire body. They invade the Body of Christ to perpetuate these heinous heresies. Then the zombie pew sitters, with that deer in the head light look, nod their heads in agreement.

First of all, there is no evidence to support 3 hours of darkness from 12 PM until 3 PM. Think about it logically for a minute. If God’s Son was hanging on the tree for about 6 hours, why in the world would He wait for 3 hours before He cursed the earth with darkness? It just doesn’t make any sense at all. Why would He not curse us with darkness for 6 hours, why stop at 3.

Second, let’s look at one of the Scriptures. Mt. 27:45 KJV, “Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over the land unto the ninth hour.” (pp Mk 15:33 & Lk 23:44). What does this really mean? Look at my thread that begins with “Counting Hours…”. Mark says that it was the beginning of the 6th hour - that is about midmorning or about 9 AM. (This posting is a year old, my updated copy is much more definitive - I have no doubts now about the veracity of this type of time keeping). There are 2 ways of telling time in Biblical times, this is the alternative method. One must determine from the context which method is being used. That is why the 6th hour is not 11 AM thru 12 PM. (And most people get this wrong as well and call it the 12 PM hour, when it is really the 11 AM hour for sixty minutes ending at 12 PM). The 6th hour is from midmorning until noon. The 9th hour is from noon until midafternoon (really midevening). But so many Bible translators corrupt this wording and change it to modern time keeping and therefore totally corrupt the verse.

The wording of each of these 3 parallel passages would indicate that the beginning of the 9th hour (which is noon) would be the end of the darkness and the death of Yahoshua. But I believe there is some wiggle room there since this time keeping system is an estimate all the time. So, He could have expired shortly after 12 PM.

Third, dark or light outside is immaterial. If it is dark during the daylight portion of a day, it is still day time. You can’t just invent a 3 hour night in the middle of a day - unless you’re an idiot. (Not you, rstrats, the scholars and nutcases that perpetuate these fantasies).

2. They count the night when the Messiah was taken in the garden as one of the nights. This is a no-brainer. Did He die in the garden? Of course not. He didn’t die until the following day.

3. They say that Matthew 12:40 is using common idiomatic language where the Messiah actually meant two nights even though He said three nights. They have no Scriptural support for this theory, nor historical support, nor archeological support. Matthew 12:40 is the key to the whole scenario. If Yahoshua said to his disciples that we will eat some food three days and three nights from now, what do you think He meant? When would the disciples expect to eat again? That’s a pretty long time. I’m sure they would like a Lord, God, and Savior to be a little more reliable that an idiomatic dreamer. If you count your toes on one foot and tell us you have 5, should we wonder if you really meant 4 or maybe 6? Lunacy, pure lunacy. The number of days and nights He would be in the heart of the Earth is a whole lot more important information than when one would eat food again. This nonsense has been made up out of thin air by the enemies of the gospel of Christ.

Catch you later,

Zeke25

 

[Webers_Home]

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"And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day." (Gen 1:5)

In accordance with a normal, strict chronological sequence; evening and
morning would indicate overnight; viz: a day of creation would take place
entirely in the dark; which fails to comply with the definitions of day given at
Gen 1:4-5 and Gen 1:14-18.

Now we could keep it simple by saying that evening and morning runs from
one high noon to the next as per post #226, but there's an alternate way to
look at it.

Seeing as how it says evening and morning instead of evening to morning,
then we're not really looking at a chronological sequence but merely the
Am/Pm portions of daytime because evening and morning is all the same as
morning and evening.

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[zeke25]

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In accordance with a normal, strict chronological sequence; evening and
morning would indicate overnight; viz: a day of creation would take place
entirely in the dark; which fails to comply with the definitions of day given at
Gen 1:4-5 and Gen 1:14-18.

Now we could keep it simple by saying that evening and morning runs from
one high noon to the next as per post #226, but there's an alternate way to
look at it.

Seeing as how it says evening and morning instead of evening to morning,
then we're not really looking at a chronological sequence but merely the
Am/Pm portions of daytime because evening and morning is all the same as
morning and evening.

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Weber,

Or better still, we could look at it the way the Bible presents it to us. (Ge 1:4-5 indeed defines a day as an approximate 24 hours period from sunrise to sunrise.)

1.a. Genesis 1:5 KJV, "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." Genesis 1:5 TIB, "And God called the light, Day, And He called the darkness, Night. And there was evening, and there was morning the first day." A common sense reading of this Scripture dictates that a day ends and a day begins at sunrise. The events of each day are given to us chronologically. First, the creation activity is described to us. Second, we are told that evening has arrived. The word evening is a time marker. It tells us that sundown has now occurred. Third, we are told that morning has arrived. Morning is a time marker as well. It tells us that sunrise has occurred. Fourth, we are told that the first day has been completed because sunrise has occurred. This chronological pattern is given for the first six days of creation throughout Genesis chapter one.

1.b. For the sake of those who have falsely been taught and believed that a day begins at sundown, let us look at this Scripture one more time.

(1) First, we are given the creation activity that God performed on the first day, ending in verse 5. "And God called the light, Day, And He called the darkness, Night." Please notice that the day is not over yet just because the creation activity has ceased. Why do we know this? We know this because we are not told that the day is over yet.

(2) Second, we are given what chronologically follows that creation activity. We are given the fact that sundown (the 2nd even of the day) has arrived. "And there was evening[.]" Please notice that the day is not over yet just because sundown has occurred. Why do we know this? We know this because we are not told that the day is over yet.

(3) Third, we are given the next piece of information about this first day in chronological order. "[A]nd there was morning[.]" Is the day finally over since sunrise has occurred? We do not know until we read the next three words.

(4) Fourth, we are given the conclusion of the matter for day one. "[T]he first day." Please notice that the day is now over. Why do we know this? We know this because we are told that the day is over, we are told that day one is over.

A recap in chronological order.

1. "And God called the light, Day, And He called the darkness, Night."

2. "And there was evening[.]"

3. "[A]nd there was morning[.]"

4. "[T]he first day."

Day two now starts, because the first day is over and it is light again.

It cannot be made any simpler.

Zeke25

 

[Webers_Home]

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I suspect that God did His work of creation during what is defined as daytime
rather than what is defined as nighttime in order to convey the idea that His
work was a work of light as opposed to a work of darkness

That makes sense to me seeing as how there were no actual mornings and
afternoons till the fourth day.

I also suspect that Christ rose from the dead during daytime instead of
nighttime in order to convey the very same idea.

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[zeke25]

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I suspect that God did His work of creation during what is defined as daytime
rather than what is defined as nighttime in order to convey the idea that His
work was a work of light as opposed to a work of darkness

That makes sense to me seeing as how there were no actual mornings and
afternoons till the fourth day.

I also suspect that Christ rose from the dead during daytime instead of
nighttime in order to convey the very same idea.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but why are you sharing it with me? I am not interested in the opinions of men (I'm not singling you out), I'm interested in the Scriptures and that which God teaches us through those Scriptures. I find the Bible to be most reliable, but the opinions of men are lacking.

I would like to think that I had been taught correctly for 5 decades too, but I was lied to instead. So, for the last two decades, actually more, I study the Scriptures for myself. Once again, they are most reliable.

Matthew 12:40 KJV "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." It does not get any clearer than this. It was three days and three nights. No other combination can qualify. The time marker of “day” in this verse refers to only the daylight portion of a day. The time marker of “night” in this verse refers to only the night portion of a day. Please note that since Christ Yahoshua died during the day, so when one counts three days and three nights, the count ends on the third night. The count does not end during the day.


10.b. We know that Yahoshua's resurrection did not occur after Sunday sunrise and that it must have occurred sometime Saturday night, most likely in the fourth watch of the night; i.e., between our current day 3 AM and sunrise. We will now examine four parallel verses that show this is that which the Bible teaches. There are a number of time markers in these four passages. I will itemize them now in advance.

1) After the sabbaths

2) at the dawning

3) into the first of the sabbaths

4) the sabbath passing

5) very early on the first of the sabbaths

6) the sun rising

7) upon the first of the week

8) deep dawn

9) very early in the morning

10) on the first of the sabbaths

11) came early

12) darkness yet being on it

10.c Matthew 28:1 TIB, "After the sabbaths, at the dawning (Strong's G2020 epiphosko) into the first of the sabbaths, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the grave." "After the sabbaths" refers to the two sabbaths of (1) Passover and (2) the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was an annual sabbath as well as a weekly sabbath. "At the dawning" means that there was evidence on the eastern horizon that the sun was soon to rise. In fact, the Greek word for dawning is epiphosko and its meaning is to begin to grow light. "Into the first of the sabbaths" means that the coming day was Sunday Abib 16 (Sheaf Wave Day*), and that it was the first day of the first week in which the counting of seven perfect* sabbaths was to begin. What all of this shows is that it was still Saturday night Abib 15, prior to Sunday Abib 16 sunrise.

*NOTE: Leviticus 23:15 TIB, "And you shall number to you from the next day after the sabbath, from the day you bring in the sheaf of the wave offering; they shall be seven perfect sabbaths[.]"

10.d. Mark 16:1-2 TIB, "1 And the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome, bought spices so that coming they might anoint Him. 2 And very early (Strong's G4404 proi) on the first of the sabbaths, the sun rising, they came upon the tomb." "And the sabbath passing" means that it was the Saturday sabbath that was passing and sunrise was approaching but the new day had not yet dawned. "And very early on the first of the sabbaths" means that the coming day was Sunday Abib 16, and that it was the first day of the first week in which the counting of seven perfect sabbaths was to begin. But we need to look specifically at the Greek word proi that was translated as early. Proi is Strong's G4404 and it means the day-break watch. In other words it was still the fourth watch of the night, which in our time was approximately 3 AM to sunrise. There can be no mistaking that the Marys arrived at the tomb prior to Sunday sunrise on Abib 16. "The sun rising" means that there was evidence on the eastern horizon that the sun was soon to rise. What all of this shows is that it was still Saturday night Abib 15, prior to Sunday Abib 16 sunrise.

10.e. Luke 24:1-2 KJV, "1 Now upon the first day of the week, very (Strong's G901 bathus) early (Strong's G3722 orthros) in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre." "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning" really has no different meaning than Mark 16:1-2. "Very early in the morning" means that sunrise had not yet taken place. Actually, the two Greeks words inserted into the passage above mean deep dawn. Strong's G901 bathus means deep and G3722 orthros means dawn. Therefore, the beginning of this verse could have been translated as "Now upon the first of the week, at deep dawn, they came unto the sepulchre…". The meaning of deep dawn is that it was just beginning, and the evidence of the sun starting to rise was barely perceptible. In other words, it was the beginning of dawn, not the middle, not a full blown dawn, not the last few seconds prior to sunrise - instead, it was deep dawn.

So, why call it the first day of the week, which is Sunday? Let us suppose that sunrise was at 6 AM. We are arriving at the tomb at 5:30 AM. Even though it is not officially Sunday yet, would it not be acceptable to express that it was the first day of the week, very early in the morning? What wording would you prefer? Possibly, the sun was rising and any minute the Sabbath would be over and we are now arriving at the tomb. Even today, if we got up to go fishing at 3 AM, we would say early in the morning we will go fishing, not at all meaning that it was sunrise yet. Likewise, if the following morning we got up at 3 AM because we got sick from eating rotten fish, we would tell our fishing buddy that we got up in the middle of the night. So, which is it? Is 3 AM the middle of the night or is it early in the morning? Both answers are acceptable, depending upon the circumstances. So, Luke is consistent with the other three gospels in describing an event that began on Saturday Abib 15.

Let us place ourselves into the first century. Was time told in minutes? This is a highly doubtful proposition, even ridiculous. What technical capabilities did they possess to enable them to estimate time in minutes? The answer is none that they could carry around with them - no wristwatches or cell phones. So, in a society that must use time markers, instead of a watch to indicate time, we can expect that one would say things such as, "Now on the first of the week, very early in the morning", or better still "Now on the first of the week, at deep dawn". And this would not mean that the previous day was officially over (because the sun had not risen yet), it would mean that a new day is coming on, or approaching.

But please remember this. This scene being described in these four gospels is not a static scene. The Marys were indeed arriving at the tomb prior to sunrise. At this time the stone was already rolled away and the tomb was empty. Even though they arrived prior to sunrise, it is easy to see that sunrise probably occurred while they were at the tomb. After all the scene is not static, it is active and moving, time is progressing. The resurrection must have taken place prior to sunrise and therefore it took place on the night of Saturday Abib 15.

(I did not include the exegesis of John in this posting).

zeke25

 

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: Is it okay to count the day of Christ's death and burial as one of the
three days predicted as per Matt 12:40?

A: It's tempting to count the afternoon of Christ's burial as one of the days
as per Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22, but don't do it. Wait until the Jews'
preparation for Passover comes to an end and they're ready to dine upon
their lambs before starting to tally the days and nights or your chronology
won't come out right. It's essential to leave crucifixion day set aside for the
slaughtering of lambs; including the one on the cross. This is very important
because Passover doesn't start until sundown.

FAQ: Is it okay to count the three hours of darkness on the cross as one of
the three nights?

A: That won't work because Christ lived all the way through it. The three
days and nights predicted in Matt 12:40 are for when he was dead and in
the heart of the earth; not for when he was alive up on the surface of the
earth.

FAQ: I've heard it alleged that Christ revived sometime between Saturday
night and Sunday morning. I's that true?

A: The preponderance of New Testament textual evidence testifies that
Christ revived during daytime rather than overnight, e.g. Matt 17:22 23,
Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and
1Cor 15:4

FAQ: Don't Jewish days begin at sundown?

A: So-called "Jewish days" are 24-hour calendar days; viz: amalgams of
night and day. It's best to keep those two physical conditions distinctly
separate from one another. Let days be when the sun is up, and let nights
be when the sun is down. According to John 11:9, that's how Christ
understood it; so you'll be in good company.

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[zeke25]

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FAQ: Is it okay to count the day of Christ's death and burial as one of the
three days predicted as per Matt 12:40?

A: It's tempting to count the afternoon of Christ's burial as one of the days
as per Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22, but don't do it. Wait until the Jews'
preparation for Passover comes to an end and they're ready to dine upon
their lambs before starting to tally the days and nights or your chronology
won't come out right. It's essential to leave crucifixion day set aside for the
slaughtering of lambs; including the one on the cross. This is very important
because Passover doesn't start until sundown.

FAQ: Is it okay to count the three hours of darkness on the cross as one of
the three nights?

A: That won't work because Christ lived all the way through it. The three
days and nights predicted in Matt 12:40 are for when he was dead and in
the heart of the earth; not for when he was alive up on the surface of the
earth.

FAQ: I've heard it alleged that Christ revived sometime between Saturday
night and Sunday morning. I's that true?

A: The preponderance of New Testament textual evidence testifies that
Christ revived during daytime rather than overnight, e.g. Matt 17:22 23,
Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and
1Cor 15:4

FAQ: Don't Jewish days begin at sundown?

A: So-called "Jewish days" are 24-hour calendar days; viz: amalgams of
night and day. It's best to keep those two physical conditions distinctly
separate from one another. Let days be when the sun is up, and let nights
be when the sun is down. According to John 11:9, that's how Christ
understood it; so you'll be in good company.

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Weber posed: FAQ: Is it okay to count the day of Christ's death and burial as one of the
three days predicted as per Matt 12:40?

Zeke response: There is no other alternative. Of course it is counted. It is only common sense. It was the last day His body was alive, but it was also the first day His body was dead. That is day one. The night following is night one.





Weber posed: A: It's tempting to count the afternoon of Christ's burial as one of the days
as per Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22, but don't do it. Wait until the Jews'
preparation for Passover comes to an end and they're ready to dine upon
their lambs before starting to tally the days and nights or your chronology
won't come out right.

Zeke: Who cares if your count/chronology doesn’t come out right! You expect us to believe a lie and then rewrite an entire arithmetic system just to make a count come out right? Foolishness, pure foolishness. Who makes up this poppycock? If your count doesn’t come out right that is not your fault. God hates false measures and weights. So we falsify the evidence to make our count come out right? Talk about the tail wagging the dog. You can falsify the evidence all you want. If you are happy with that then go hang out with your heretical friends who are comfortable with that too. In the meantime, I go with that which God teaches us through the Scriptures. If the count doesn’t come out right, that is only because you don’t know how to count, or where to begin your count, or anything else about the Scriptures you’re so quick to quote.






Weber: It's essential to leave crucifixion day set aside for the
slaughtering of lambs; including the one on the cross.

zeke: It is not essential to leave crucifixion day set aside for the slaughtering of lambs, including the one on the cross! Who made that balderdash up? Where is the Scripture that would support this nonsense, err, notion? There is no Scriptural support for it at all. You come from a Conservative Baptist background, do you not believe in the Bible? Must you always make things up out of thin air? Or, are you just following the party line of your errant denomination?







Weber:This is very important
because Passover doesn't start until sundown.

zeke: The start of Passover is immaterial. Besides, you really haven’t specified what part of Passover you are talking about. Passover comes in two parts. Part one begins on Friday afternoon when the lamb is killed. Then the preparation and roasting of the lamb begins. Part two begins Friday night, after sundown, this is when the feasting on the lamb begins.







Weber: FAQ: Is it okay to count the three hours of darkness on the cross as one of
the three nights?

zeke: I answered this question in my previous post. This is yet another lunatic question. Day time is day time, it makes no difference if part of that day was dark. The sun was still there and the sun was still shining. The fact that God blocked the light of the sun does not change the fact that it is day time. Night begins at sunset. This is common sense stuff. What is the matter with people that ask these inane questions? It reminds me of the child who asks where did Cain’s wife come from. Stupid, childish, inane questions. When one studies the Bible you are not supposed to check your brains and common sense at the door. It is required that you keep them with you. After all, God said, come let us reason together.



Weber: A: That won't work because Christ lived all the way through it. The three
days and nights predicted in Matt 12:40 are for when he was dead and in
the heart of the earth; not for when he was alive up on the surface of the
earth.

zeke: I see you agree with me on this. It is not reasonable to ask this question. So, why ask it?







Weber: FAQ: I've heard it alleged that Christ revived sometime between Saturday
night and Sunday morning. I's that true?

zeke: Of course it’s true. It is exactly that which He said.







Weber: A: The preponderance of New Testament textual evidence testifies that
Christ revived during daytime rather than overnight, e.g. Matt 17:22 23,
Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and
1Cor 15:4

zeke: Why do you keep repeating yourself? You were wrong in post #221 when you first said this stuff, and you received a partial explanation in my post #222. I only gave you a partial explanation because I wanted to see if you were serious about learning the truth. I surmised at that time that you were not serious and you continue to prove it. It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat yourself, it doesn’t magically make your conjecture true and the Scriptures a lie. I’m just about through with you. Go home and play checkers, I’m serious here, this is not a game.






Weber: FAQ: Don't Jewish days begin at sundown?

zeke: No, they never started at sundown until the Rabbinic Jews began to change it around the 3rd century. Prior to that, in all Biblical times from Genesis to Revelation, a day started at sunrise.






Weber: A: So-called "Jewish days" are 24-hour calendar days; viz: amalgams of
night and day. It's best to keep those two physical conditions distinctly
separate from one another. Let days be when the sun is up, and let nights
be when the sun is down. According to John 11:9, that's how Christ
understood it; so you'll be in good company.

zeke: This statement is incorrect. You have the night and day backwards. The day starts at sunrise as Genesis 1 teaches. After sunset the day continues until the following sunrise. Then the day is over. John 11:9, as I said before, is not Christ defining a day from an astronomical perspective, He is merely talking and making a point unrelated to a “day”. If you’re not going to read and comment specifically on that which I’ve already posted, but instead ignore it and repeat your heresy over and over, there is no need for us to continue. You must learn the basics and build upon that which came before. Have you even bothered to study the threads that are easily available to you: “Between the Evenings” and “A Day Begins At Sunrise”? If you cannot come into agreement with those two teachings at a minimum you will forever be chasing your tail. Get serious, go read the first teaching. Let’s email each other directly and forget this forum - if you really want to learn. Otherwise, I’m going to write you off, I must be a good stewart of my time. The children are hungry. You don’t appear to be hungry. You appear to want to push denomination canned heresy that you have be eating all your life. Spit it out. There is death in the pot - 2 Kings 4:40.




Weber,

My posts on this thread go back to July 2014, yours to February 2013. Aren’t you tired of being on the merry-go-round? There are true answers which I’m trying to lead you to in the Scriptures. Conjecture and putting the cart before the horse as you do, is not sound Biblical teaching.


Zeke25