Three Days and Three Nights

[Cooper]

Well, that's really a myth too, because early on in Exodus 2 we are shown that Moses' father-in-law was a Midianite priest from the land of Midian (Midian was a land what is now northwest Saudi Arabia). The Midianites were not of the Kenites (land of the Kenites was in Canaan). The Midianites were descended from Midian, another son of Abraham by his wife Keturah (see Genesis 25). The Midianites were Hebrews, because they were descended from Abraham, and Abraham was descended from Eber, which is where the word Hebrew was derived. There are many peoples of the Hebrew stock that are not Israelites, so even the word Hebrew has been popularly abused.

Ex 3:1
3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
KJV

Num 10:29
29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.
KJV

It was the Midianite Raguel (named Reuel in Exodus 2; the Septuagint has Ragoueel in both places), that was Moses' father-in-law. Hobab was Raguel's son.

Judg 4:11
11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.
KJV

The above shows that the word Kenite is being used as a geographical term. That's what that idea of severed himself from the Kenites is about, meaning away from the lands of the Kenites. Doesn't mean Moses' father-in-law family were of the Kenite peoples, but that they lived in the lands of the Kenites.

The first recorded instance of a Midianite tribe surrendering its identity by attaching itself to another people appears in Judges i. 16. In this instance, which occurred in the period of the Judges, the Kenites, descendants of Jethro the Midianite, attached themselves to the Israelites in the wilderness of Judah, south of Arad. MIDIAN AND MIDIANITES - JewishEncyclopedia.com

And the children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people. (Judges 1:16 KJV)

Now find out about Yahweh.
"Yahweh was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah. His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze Age, and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies. At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal, but in time El and Yahweh became conflated, El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone, and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion." See about Yahweh and his image here Yahweh - Wikipedia

The point being, Jews need to turn to Jesus, who came specifically to his people, and the sooner the better.
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[Davy]

The first recorded instance of a Midianite tribe surrendering its identity by attaching itself to another people appears in Judges i. 16. In this instance, which occurred in the period of the Judges, the Kenites, descendants of Jethro the Midianite, attached themselves to the Israelites in the wilderness of Judah, south of Arad. MIDIAN AND MIDIANITES - JewishEncyclopedia.com

It looks like you just copy & pasted that from some commentary.

The Kenites were a foreign people among the holy land which God gave to Abraham and his seed by promise. They were not Midianites.

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites."
KJV


As I already showed, Midian was a son of Abraham and Keturah, and not descended nor genetically connected with the Kenites...

Gen 25:1-2
25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.
KJV

From him (Midian) is where the name of the land of Midian orginates. And Moses' father-in-law was a Midianite priest in the land of Midian:

Ex 2:15-16
15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.
16 Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock.
KJV

Ex 3:1
3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
KJV

Num 10:29
29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.
KJV

"Raguel" (the "Reuel" of Exodus 2:18) is who Moses' father-in-law was, which above declares that he is a "Midianite", which refers to genealogy there.

Thus if his son Hobab was a Kenite, then it would have to mean Hobab was Raguel's son-in-law. Or the other way would be if his son lived in the land of the Kenites, and was thus called a Kenite in that sense, like one who lives in Texas can simply be called a Texan.

 

[Davy]

Now find out about Yahweh.
"Yahweh was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah. His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze Age, and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies. At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal, but in time El and Yahweh became conflated, El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone, and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion." See about Yahweh and his image here Yahweh - Wikipedia

The point being, Jews need to turn to Jesus, who came specifically to his people, and the sooner the better.
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Yahweh comes from a wrong assigning of the Hebrew letters from the YHWH form. The Hebrew transliterated to English in the KJV Bible is as Jehovah. And in reality per the ancient Hebrew, it is not YHWH, but YHVH, which becomes YaHaVeH. And this is OUR Heavenly Father's Name.

To claim YHVH (Jehovah/Yahveh) was some pagan god is blasephemy against GOD's holy name. In the Hebrew manuscripts it is YHVH, the original unwritted vowels that become Yahaveh.

So I don't know where you're getting your info from, but I'd cast it in the garbage if I were you.

 

[Cooper]

Yahweh comes from a wrong assigning of the Hebrew letters from the YHWH form. The Hebrew transliterated to English in the KJV Bible is as Jehovah. And in reality per the ancient Hebrew, it is not YHWH, but YHVH, which becomes YaHaVeH. And this is OUR Heavenly Father's Name.

To claim YHVH (Jehovah/Yahveh) was some pagan god is blasephemy against GOD's holy name. In the Hebrew manuscripts it is YHVH, the original unwritted vowels that become Yahaveh.

So I don't know where you're getting your info from, but I'd cast it in the garbage if I were you.

Put it this way. Jesus and the Father are one. What one does or says the other does or says, so if Jesus is God on earth, which he is, he is nothing like the god of the Jews. Jesus was present with the Israelites in the wilderness, he sent manner from heaven and guided them by day and by night, while they were worshipping graven images. The difference between the Jewish Lord and my Heavenly Father is clear. My God would want me to tend to the injured traveller like the Good Samaritan did. The Jews would have walked on past, leaving him to die in the heat of the day according to their law.

They are not the same, or why would the Jews oppose Jesus and his disciples? You know who the opposer is don't you, and you know what Jesus told them in John 8:44.

Another thing: why did the Israelite soldiers give the gold they plundered from a nation they annihilated, to the LORD? Who was this LORD of the Jews? He must have been human. What does our heavenly Father want with earthly possessions like silver and gold? They are but dross that fades and passes away.

So who was the LORD to whom they gave gold and who commanded Moses to annihilate their own forefathers, for Joseph, his father and brothers came from the land of Canaan.

This was Melchizedek. He was the Lord of the Jews. Whenever you read LORD in the Old Testament, read Melchizedek and forget YaHaVeH. That is not the name of Jesus or the Father. The ONE God does not need a name to separate himself from all the other false gods, He is simply GOD and God is all that is needed.

Thank you.

 

[rstrats]

If the off topic comments can stop for a moment, perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.

 

[Davy]

Put it this way. Jesus and the Father are one. What one does or says the other does or says, so if Jesus is God on earth, which he is, he is nothing like the god of the Jews.
Jesus was present with the Israelites in the wilderness, he sent manner from heaven and guided them by day and by night, while they were worshipping graven images. The difference between the Jewish Lord and my Heavenly Father is clear. My God would want me to tend to the injured traveller like the Good Samaritan did. The Jews would have walked on past, leaving him to die in the heat of the day according to their law.

Sorry, but you appear to have a ways to go in your Biblical understanding, because your general theory about the Jews is slanted towards man's social thinking, and not according to God's Holy Writ. Didn't you ever read Judges 2 and 3? and Joshua 9? and Jude 1 about the crept in unawares? God told the children of Israel to literally wipe out the specific nations in the lands of Canaan per Deuteronomy 20. Israel failed, and allowed some of the Canaanites to dwell among them. So God said He would leave those foreigners among Israel to test Israel with. All throughout Israel's history in Old Testament times, those crept in unawares among them were as thorns in their side. The first example of it after God led Israel out of Egypt was indeed when Moses up on the Mount, and the children of Israel below made pagan calf idols in false worship. Who do you think among them led them to do that? So did that mean the children of Israel stopped being the chosen of God? Of course not, even though it made Him very angry, and many of them paid for the sin with their lives later in the wilderness. Or maybe you forget the reason why God made the children of Israel roam in the wilderness for 40 years! (to end that generation that sinned with the idols).

In every OT case, there has ALWAYS been a 'remnant' of the seed of Israel which God preserved unto Himself. Apostle Paul even tells us this plainly in Romans 11 about the remnant of Israel according to the election of grace. God's Church has continued into The New Covenant under Jesus Christ, and that is what you need to remember, instead of the socialist thinking you're being taught instead.

Another thing you should learn, is the difference between the terms "house of Judah" and "house of Israel" per God's Word. The ten lost tribes of Israel represent the "house of Israel" and were never known as Jews. The title of Jew originated from the sole tribe of Judah. At the 1 Kings 11 split of old Israel, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi became the Jews living at Jerusalem/Judea.

Thus The GOD of Israel most definitely IS... The same GOD of those in Christ Jesus. And if you had studied Zechariah 12, and the parable about Blessed are the barren... in Luke 23 and Isaiah 54, and then understand in Romans 11 about the blindness Apostle Paul said God put upon the Jews so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles, and that that blindness will one day be removed from them, then you might understand how YHVH and His Son Jesus Christ is still... their God, and our God.

 

[Cooper]

Sorry, but you appear to have a ways to go in your Biblical understanding, because your general theory about the Jews is slanted towards man's social thinking, and not according to God's Holy Writ. Didn't you ever read Judges 2 and 3? and Joshua 9? and Jude 1 about the crept in unawares? God told the children of Israel to literally wipe out the specific nations in the lands of Canaan per Deuteronomy 20. Israel failed, and allowed some of the Canaanites to dwell among them. So God said He would leave those foreigners among Israel to test Israel with. All throughout Israel's history in Old Testament times, those crept in unawares among them were as thorns in their side. The first example of it after God led Israel out of Egypt was indeed when Moses up on the Mount, and the children of Israel below made pagan calf idols in false worship. Who do you think among them led them to do that? So did that mean the children of Israel stopped being the chosen of God? Of course not, even though it made Him very angry, and many of them paid for the sin with their lives later in the wilderness. Or maybe you forget the reason why God made the children of Israel roam in the wilderness for 40 years! (to end that generation that sinned with the idols).

In every OT case, there has ALWAYS been a 'remnant' of the seed of Israel which God preserved unto Himself. Apostle Paul even tells us this plainly in Romans 11 about the remnant of Israel according to the election of grace. God's Church has continued into The New Covenant under Jesus Christ, and that is what you need to remember, instead of the socialist thinking you're being taught instead.

Another thing you should learn, is the difference between the terms "house of Judah" and "house of Israel" per God's Word. The ten lost tribes of Israel represent the "house of Israel" and were never known as Jews. The title of Jew originated from the sole tribe of Judah. At the 1 Kings 11 split of old Israel, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi became the Jews living at Jerusalem/Judea.

Thus The GOD of Israel most definitely IS... The same GOD of those in Christ Jesus. And if you had studied Zechariah 12, and the parable about Blessed are the barren... in Luke 23 and Isaiah 54, and then understand in Romans 11 about the blindness Apostle Paul said God put upon the Jews so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles, and that that blindness will one day be removed from them, then you might understand how YHVH and His Son Jesus Christ is still... their God, and our God.

The pre-incarnate Jesus is my God and all he requires from his children is the sacrifice of our heart. I follow Jehovah, not YHVH beware of the subtleties of the imposter. This is what the true God; Jesus the Word, says about sacrifice : -

Isa_1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

1Sa 15:22 "Tell me," Samuel said (to Saul). "Does the LORD really want sacrifices and offerings? No! He doesn't want your sacrifices. He wants you to obey him.

Psa 40:5-6 You have multiplied, O LORD my God, your wondrous deeds and your thoughts toward us; none can compare with you! I will proclaim and tell of them, yet they are more than can be told. In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. [Use it.] Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

Jer_6:20 To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.

Hos_6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Amo_5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

Mic_6:6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?

Mar_12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Heb_10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Heb_10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

The practice of making burnt offerings and sacrifice is a pagan custom. There are far too many scriptures to post them all.

Gen_8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Exo_10:25 And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.

Exo_20:24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

Exo_24:5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.

Exo_32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

Lev_4:10 As it was taken off from the bullock of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall burn them upon the altar of the burnt offering.

Lev_6:12 And the fire upon the altar shall be burning in it; it shall not be put out: and the priest shall burn wood on it every morning, and lay the burnt offering in order upon it; and he shall burn thereon the fat of the peace offerings.

Lev_7:37 This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings;

Lev_9:22 And Aaron lifted up his hand toward the people, and blessed them, and came down from offering of the sin offering, and the burnt offering, and peace offerings.

Lev_22:18 Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the LORD for a burnt offering;

Lev_23:18 And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.

Lev_23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Num_6:14 And he shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,

Num_10:10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.

Num_15:8 And when thou preparest a bullock for a burnt offering, or for a sacrifice in performing a vow, or peace offerings unto the LORD:

Num_28:14 And their drink offerings shall be half an hin of wine unto a bullock, and the third part of an hin unto a ram, and a fourth part of an hin unto a lamb: this is the burnt offering of every month throughout the months of the year.

Num_28:31 Ye shall offer them beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, (they shall be unto you without blemish) and their drink offerings.

Num_29:6 Beside the burnt offering of the month, and his meat offering, and the daily burnt offering, and his meat offering, and their drink offerings, according unto their manner, for a sweet savour, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD.

Num_29:11 One kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the sin offering of atonement, and the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering of it, and their drink offerings.

Num_29:19 And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering thereof, and their drink offerings.

Num_29:39 These things ye shall do unto the LORD in your set feasts, beside your vows, and your freewill offerings, for your burnt offerings, and for your meat offerings, and for your drink offerings, and for your peace offerings.

Deu_12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
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[Davy]

The pre-incarnate Jesus is my God and all he requires from his children is the sacrifice of our heart. I follow Jehovah, not YHVH beware of the subtleties of the imposter. This is what the true God; Jesus the Word, says about sacrifice : -

If you claim to have The Son, then you MUST have The Father also, per Apostle John...

1 John 2:23
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV

You cannot just try to make up a whole new religion with your vain attempt to disassociate The Father (YHVH) from Jesus Christ.

 

[Cooper]

If you claim to have The Son, then you MUST have The Father also, per Apostle John...

1 John 2:23
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV

You cannot just try to make up a whole new religion with your vain attempt to disassociate The Father (YHVH) from Jesus Christ.

Of course, I have the Father, but the father of the Jews is the father of lies, see John 8:44.
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[Davy]

Of course, I have the Father, but the father of the Jews is the father of lies, see John 8:44.
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That underlined part is where you show your Biblical ignorance. John 8:44 is a rebuke to the crept in unawares...

Jude 3-4
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV


In Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, Jesus remarked to His elect about the idea of false Jews, those who only SAY they are Jews, but are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan".

Rev 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
KJV

Apparently, you are not familiar with the parable of the tares of Matthew 13 which is about the Biblical history of the crept in unawares. I realize most Christian brethren are not familiar with this, because they don't read all their Bible, and the seminaries tell preachers not to preach any seemingly controversial parts of God's Word. So they just leave you ignorant.

Thus there are TRUE Jews, and then there are 'false Jews', like Jesus showed. The title of Jew simply comes from the name Judah, and it applies to the bloodline tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi mainly, what was also known as the "house of Judah" in God's Word. If they were not part of our Heavenly Father's chosen of Israel, then it would be impossible for Scripture like Ezekiel 37 to come to pass in the future, which is about the joining of the two houses of Israel back together into one stick, in the holy land, with David as their king, and Christ Jesus as their Lord and King.

But what you have latched onto is a doctrine of man that tries to isolate the God of Israel from the New Covenant under Jesus Christ. That does not work, no matter how much those men try! You will eventually discover you are being duped by those men you listen to, instead of heeding God's Holy Writ.

 

[Cooper]

That underlined part is where you show your Biblical ignorance. John 8:44 is a rebuke to the crept in unawares...

Jude 3-4
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV


In Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, Jesus remarked to His elect about the idea of false Jews, those who only SAY they are Jews, but are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan".

Rev 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
KJV

Apparently, you are not familiar with the parable of the tares of Matthew 13 which is about the Biblical history of the crept in unawares. I realize most Christian brethren are not familiar with this, because they don't read all their Bible, and the seminaries tell preachers not to preach any seemingly controversial parts of God's Word. So they just leave you ignorant.

Thus there are TRUE Jews, and then there are 'false Jews', like Jesus showed. The title of Jew simply comes from the name Judah, and it applies to the bloodline tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi mainly, what was also known as the "house of Judah" in God's Word. If they were not part of our Heavenly Father's chosen of Israel, then it would be impossible for Scripture like Ezekiel 37 to come to pass in the future, which is about the joining of the two houses of Israel back together into one stick, in the holy land, with David as their king, and Christ Jesus as their Lord and King.

But what you have latched onto is a doctrine of man that tries to isolate the God of Israel from the New Covenant under Jesus Christ. That does not work, no matter how much those men try! You will eventually discover you are being duped by those men you listen to, instead of heeding God's Holy Writ.

John chapter 8 is clear, unequivocal and for all time.

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
(John 8:39-47 KJV)

Saul, a Jew by faith served Satan and persecuted Christians. After his conversion, HE was persecuted by those same Jews who Jesus clearly identified as having a different father from his own.

Had those Jews worshipped the Father of Jesus, they would not have plotted against him. They would not have killed the Old Testament prophets, they would not have killed the disciples, and they would all have worshipped the same God together in harmony.
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[Davy]

John chapter 8 is clear, unequivocal and for all time.

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
(John 8:39-47 KJV)

Saul, a Jew by faith served Satan and persecuted Christians. After his conversion, HE was persecuted by those same Jews who Jesus clearly identified as having a different father from his own.

Had those Jews worshipped the Father of Jesus, they would not have plotted against him. They would not have killed the Old Testament prophets, they would not have killed the disciples, and they would all have worshipped the same God together in harmony.
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Like I said, you are Biblically ignorant about the "tares", the crept in unawares who are not real Jews. It's apparent you need more study in the Old Testament Books.

Zech 14:20-21
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
KJV

 

[Cooper]

Like I said, you are Biblically ignorant about the "tares", the crept in unawares who are not real Jews. It's apparent you need more study in the Old Testament Books.

Zech 14:20-21
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
KJV

The words of Jesus have clearly fallen on stony ground.

Accusation 1
A lot of that is assumption, ideas from men's doctrines, and it doesn't all align with God's written Word.

Accusation 2
I don't know where you're getting your info from, but I'd cast it in the garbage if I were you.

Accusation 3
Sorry, but you appear to have a ways to go in your Biblical understanding,

Accusation 4
That underlined part is where you show your Biblical ignorance. John 8:44 is a rebuke to the crept in unawares...

Accusation 5
Like I said, you are Biblically ignorant about the "tares", the crept in unawares who are not real Jews. It's apparent you need more study in the Old Testament Books.

The false accusations continue, even into the twenty-first century.
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[marksman]

I can inform you of one historical FACT, that Wednesday crucifixionists for many decades from Armstrong began his theories and movement until no more than twenty years ago CONSISTENTLY AND EXCLUSIVELY argued for a First Day of the week - Sunday - Resurrection <<shortly AFTER SUNSET Saturday night>>. 'Paper 59'

...and another reality you seem to be unaware of --

A Fourth Day

The Wednesday crucifixion theory implicates a fourth “day”: Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday = four days!

The complication from another angle:

Day One: Fourth Day (Wednesday) First of “three days”: Crucifixion.

14 Nisan. “Buried before sunset.” Day ends: “Sunset”.

Day Two: The Fifth Day (Thursday) 1st of “three nights” …and the 1st “day”.

15 Nisan. Day ends: “Sunset”.

Day Three: The Sixth Day (Friday) 2nd of “three nights” … and the 2nd “day”.

16 Nisan. Day ends: “Sunset”.

Day Four: The Sabbath (Saturday) 3rd of “three nights” … and the 3rd “day”.

17 Nisan. “Resurrection just before Sunset”.

1, According to the Wednesday crucifixion theory, Wednesday all day, crucifixion, death, and, entombment, occur and are finished, “before sunset”.

2, According to the Wednesday crucifixion theory, from entombment

3, counting of the “three days and three nights”, starts and not from death.

4, According to the Wednesday crucifixion theory, the first “night” of the “three days and three nights” follows from after sunset.

5, According to the Wednesday crucifixion theory, reckoning of Day begins “from sunset”.

6, According to the Wednesday crucifixion theory, “from sunset Wednesday”, Thursday begins … the second day!

Wednesday was not a fourth day. Jesus was taken down from the cross at sundown because it was not done that they hung on the cross overnight. That is why they broke the legs to ensure death.

So first day Wednesday evening to Thursday evening. Jesus buried.

Second day Thursday evening to Friday evening. Jesus lay in the tomb.

Third day Friday Evening to Saturday evening. Jesus rose some time here.

Mary went to the tomb EARLY in the morning (Saturday) and Jesus had risen.

 

[Davy]

The words of Jesus have clearly fallen on stony ground.

Accusation 1
A lot of that is assumption, ideas from men's doctrines, and it doesn't all align with God's written Word.

Accusation 2
I don't know where you're getting your info from, but I'd cast it in the garbage if I were you.

Accusation 3
Sorry, but you appear to have a ways to go in your Biblical understanding,

Accusation 4
That underlined part is where you show your Biblical ignorance. John 8:44 is a rebuke to the crept in unawares...

Accusation 5
Like I said, you are Biblically ignorant about the "tares", the crept in unawares who are not real Jews. It's apparent you need more study in the Old Testament Books.

The false accusations continue, even into the twenty-first century.
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And I backed every one of them up with Scripture. Your main problem appears to be anti-Semitism, and I say that and I'm not even Jewish. Our Christian Father in Heaven is the 'same' God of Israel of the Old Testament, something that you apparently deny, and that's serious, because without Him, there would be no Son Jesus Christ.

So maybe you've actually come here to try and get those like myself who teach God's Word straight up banned from forums like these? It sure looks like it.

 

[Cooper]

And I backed every one of them up with Scripture. Your main problem appears to be anti-Semitism, and I say that and I'm not even Jewish. Our Christian Father in Heaven is the 'same' God of Israel of the Old Testament, something that you apparently deny, and that's serious, because without Him, there would be no Son Jesus Christ.

So maybe you've actually come here to try and get those like myself who teach God's Word straight up banned from forums like these? It sure looks like it.

You are wrong again. And... Jesus was there in the Old Testament sending manor from heaven, guiding them through the wilderness and providing water from the Rock. While all the time they were bowing down to idols to which they made burnt offerings that our God abhorred. Do me a favour will you and read about Yahweh, our God's namesake, curtsey of the imposter. Yahweh - Wikipedia
Then come back to me because there is something else I need to show you.
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[GerhardEbersoehn]

Wednesday was not a fourth day. Jesus was taken down from the cross at sundown because it was not done that they hung on the cross overnight. That is why they broke the legs to ensure death.

Wednesday was a fourth day in your miscalculations, and Sunday even a fifth day. That I PROVED many times FROM YOUR documents. Over decades-- over SIX decades in fact. From YOUR 'Papers' and 'books' and 'pamphlets' and FRAUD ALL THE WAY, derived from e.g., this PRESENT example, <<Jesus was taken down from the cross at sundown because it was not done that they hung on the cross overnight. That is why they broke the legs to ensure death.>>
and here you depart from GOD departing from SCRIPTURE which is spelling it out: "You shall not let hang him ALL NIGHT".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That is why they broke the legs to ensure death.

Who are <they>? Meaningless brabble!
WHEN did the Roman soldier break the leg-bones of the two malefactors? Jesus' bones were NOT broken! Here you tell us his bones were broken <<to ensure death>>? Are all your piggies in their sty? You imply Jesus still was alive after the Gospels say He had died three PM! Really, don't be so insulting!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

After sunset as the 14th day begins, (Mark 14:12-16, Luke 22:7-13), Eat Passover, Judas' betrayal (compare Numbers 9:6-13). Then the 'preparations' (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54, John 13:1-2, John 18:28, John 19:14, John 19:31.
Jesus arrested, 6 illegal trials, found innocent. Crucified (Lamb without blemish slain Leviticus 23:5 & Exodus 12).

According to this (your) 'chronology', just explain, How you get <<the 'preparations'>>, then <<Jesus arrested, 6 illegal trials, found innocent. Crucified>> -- the events during daytime <the 14th day> ENDED with?

Mam, you are politely invited to do yourself the favour to READ THE GOSPELS
Scripture, in written sequence giving chronological sequence of events, VERSE FOR VERSE, chapter by chapter, all four Gospels with NO exclusions and NO inclusions, find the exact complete and FLAWLESS story of the HISTORY which fulfilled "ALL THE SCRIPTURES CONCERNING THE CHRIST" -- here, http://biblestudents.co.za/books/Di...aaste Lyding en Triomf van Jesus Christus.pdf

PS
You can buy this book from Amazon or down-load it f.o.c. or send me your e-mail address and I'll return-post it to you f.o.c.

 

[marksman]

Who are <they>? Meaningless brabble!
WHEN did the Roman soldier break the leg-bones of the two malefactors? Jesus' bones were NOT broken! Here you tell us his bones were broken <<to ensure death>>? Are all your piggies in their sty? You imply Jesus still was alive after the Gospels say He had died three PM! Really, don't be so insulting!

Your anger is showing.

What is a brabble?

I never said Jesus' bones were broken.

When did the Roman soldiers break the leg bones? Read the crucifixion story.

I made no such implication.

It is not insulting to tell the truth.