Three Days and Three Nights

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It is a Hebrew expression.

In the future; leave yourself a margin of safety. Instead of stoutly claiming
the Bible doesn't say this or that; preface you comment with "To my
knowledge the Bible doesn't say" and/or "As far as I know the Bible doesn't
say"

By starting off like that you'll be giving yourself some room for error and
thus protecting your credibility from damage because sure enough
somebody out there is going to find that one passage that you've somehow
overlooked and make you look pretty stupid if you're too rigid.
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[Taken]

I do not understand your questions, we both believe the Bible, I assume you accept the creation account and the natural events are fixed in time, whether you believe them or not. The Grand Canyon was formed by water erosion over billions of years https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/how-was-the-grand-canyon-formed.html

I suggest you do your own research and prove me wrong. In the meantime I bid you good day. Let me know if you have concrete evidence to the contrary. Thank you.

Thank you for your non-answer response.
You have brought up specific dates, amount of Years, then appear completely in a daze when asked specifically to Show your mathematical conclusions with real Numbers and Dates and who or what you specifically apply those dates and Years TO.
* My questions were not difficult...for anyone who has made those calculations to reveal how they arrived at the conclusions they are promoting as Facts.
* That is a problem, when someone simply parrots an others conclusions, without a clue how the other mathematically arrived at A particular Dated year, or a Stretch of Multiple Years.
* You didn't even understand (or answer) the Very simple Question of your source, that you are have made yourself a spokesman to pander their Theories as Factual propaganda.

You are not the First to fall for some man, (you do not know,) Theories, and make yourself a spokesman To promote Theories (you yourself doesn't understand calculations of numbers to represent years), As if you are qualified to Teach, Theories ARE Facts, because, you say they are.

Dude- I am not interested in men's Theories that are Touted as Facts. For eons, men have devised Theories and Touted those Theories as Facts.
Nothing new. You can read about men's Theories in Science Journals, books, magazines and TV programs that WITHIN an Hour Observe Theories magically become a Fact, because the audible Voice says so!

Dude- preaching "Theories you have adopted as Facts" is of no interest to me. I have told you Flat out...I am Not in agreement with you.

No clue Why you continue to repeat Theories"TO ME" and make it well known you believe those Theories, AS Facts....and I have clearly made KNOWN, I do not agree with you.

Do you think repeating yourself will convince me to Agree with you? FYI- it won't.

 

[Taken]

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... somebody out there is going to find that one passage that you've somehow
overlooked and make you look pretty stupid if you're too rigid.
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That has already occurred.

 

[Cooper]

Thank you for your non-answer response.
You have brought up specific dates, amount of Years, then appear completely in a daze when asked specifically to Show your mathematical conclusions with real Numbers and Dates and who or what you specifically apply those dates and Years TO.
* My questions were not difficult...for anyone who has made those calculations to reveal how they arrived at the conclusions they are promoting as Facts.
* That is a problem, when someone simply parrots an others conclusions, without a clue how the other mathematically arrived at A particular Dated year, or a Stretch of Multiple Years.
* You didn't even understand (or answer) the Very simple Question of your source, that you are have made yourself a spokesman to pander their Theories as Factual propaganda.

You are not the First to fall for some man, (you do not know,) Theories, and make yourself a spokesman To promote Theories (you yourself doesn't understand calculations of numbers to represent years), As if you are qualified to Teach, Theories ARE Facts, because, you say they are.

Dude- I am not interested in men's Theories that are Touted as Facts. For eons, men have devised Theories and Touted those Theories as Facts.
Nothing new. You can read about men's Theories in Science Journals, books, magazines and TV programs that WITHIN an Hour Observe Theories magically become a Fact, because the audible Voice says so!

Dude- preaching "Theories you have adopted as Facts" is of no interest to me. I have told you Flat out...I am Not in agreement with you.

No clue Why you continue to repeat Theories"TO ME" and make it well known you believe those Theories, AS Facts....and I have clearly made KNOWN, I do not agree with you.

Do you think repeating yourself will convince me to Agree with you? FYI- it won't.

A thought came into my mind as I sat down at the computer just now, so I have to ask, are you the guy who came up with all this "young earth nonsense?"

I ask, because you seem very opposed to the suggestion that the earth may be very ancient.
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[Taken]

A thought came into my mind as I sat down at the computer just now, so I have to ask, are you the guy who came up with all this "young earth nonsense?"
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I would suggest you look to the Word of God for an Answer to your Question.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Cooper]

I would suggest you look to the Word of God for an Answer to your Question.

Glory to God,
Taken

You do not answer my question, but demand answers from me, which I have already answered, but you refuse to accept. Clearly you are opposed to the thought that

"The oldest rocks on Earth found to date are the Acasta Gneiss in northwestern Canada near the Great Slave Lake, which are 4.03 billion years old. But rocks older than 3.5 billion years can be found on all continents. Greenland boasts the Isua supracrustal rocks (3.7 to 3.8 billion years old), while rocks in Swaziland are 3.4 billion to 3.5 billion years. Samples in Western Australia run 3.4 billion to 3.6 billion years old." How Old Is Earth? - How Scientists Determine Its Age | Space

 

[Cooper]

I would suggest you look to the Word of God for an Answer to your Question.

Glory to God,
Taken

1. Turning to the Bible I find that God is eternal.
2. The eternal God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning.
3. Therefore, the earth is eternal.

That is my answer to you from the Word of God. The heavens and the earth are eternal created by an eternal God without beginning or end.

Glory to God.
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[Webers_Home]

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Personally I think it's a huge mistake to account the days of creation as 24
hour calendar events.

For example: the humans and the beasts were all created on the same day;
which has to include dinosaurs because on no other day but the sixth did
God create the humans and the beasts.

However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent epochs rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than enemies--
two different languages telling the same story. He believed that science and
religion complement each other. For example: the Bible tells us where the
cosmos came from; while science tells us how everything works and how
long its been here.

There are some well-meaning folk out and about who honestly believe it's
possible to date the Earth by means of the genealogies. But human life came
into existence long after the Earth was created so we'd be using a yard stick
with most of its feet missing to measure a mile were we to attempt to date
the Earth via genealogies.

Also, the terms "evening and morning" throw a lot of people off. Seeing as
how there was no Sun to mark off physical evenings and mornings till the
fourth day, then it's reasonable to assume that those terms are merely place
cards. In other words: evenings and mornings on Earth are marked off by
sunrise and sunset; whereas the evenings and mornings of creation were
marked off by pronouncement.
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[Taken]

1. Turning to the Bible I find that God is eternal.
2. The eternal God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning.
3. Therefore, the earth is eternal.

That is your Biblical answer, to your own question about a young Earth.

Alrighty then...

That is my answer to you from the Word of God.

I did not ask you a question.
I suggested you find the answer to Your question in Scripture.
If you think you have Scripturally found the answer...no need to tell me.

The heavens and the earth are eternal created by an eternal God without beginning or end.
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You might consider your erroneous claims:

Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created ... the earth.

Matt 24:
[35] ... earth shall pass away...

Isa 65:
[17] ...behold, I create ... a new earth:

Isa 66:
[22] ... the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD...

2 Peter 3:
[13] ... according to his promise, ...
a new earth...

You can Preach your errors in contrast to Scripture, it interests me None.
Already told you, I disagree with You.

I agree with the Word of God.
I suggest you stop implying you Agree with the Word of God, while preaching opposition to His Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Cooper]

That is your Biblical answer, to your own question about a young Earth.

Alrighty then...



I did not ask you a question.
I suggested you find the answer to Your question in Scripture.
If you think you have Scripturally found the answer...no need to tell me.



You might consider your erroneous claims:

Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created ... the earth.

Matt 24:
[35] ... earth shall pass away...

Isa 65:
[17] ...behold, I create ... a new earth:

Isa 66:
[22] ... the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD...

2 Peter 3:
[13] ... according to his promise, ...
a new earth...

You can Preach your errors in contrast to Scripture, it interests me None.
Already told you, I disagree with You.

I agree with the Word of God.
I suggest you stop implying you Agree with the Word of God, while preaching opposition to His Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

You are confused. The New Testament scriptures are about the coming of Christ and a new heaven and earth. We were talking about creation.
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[Taken]

You are confused. The New Testament scriptures are about the coming of Christ and a new heaven and earth. We were talking about creation.
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If it makes you feel better to think I am confused...your thoughts do not define what I believe!

It is astounding, you being fully informed, I do not Agree with you...somehow makes you qualified to determine my thoughts.
Weird!
No, I am not confused or Blind to your "intents".

Creation of the Earth and Creation of the first man is Established IN Scripture.

Clearly, I am satisfied with the Scriptural Account.

Clearly you have another, Non- Scriptural, account That has gained your confidence that "YOU" Believe...and I do not.

Clearly you are the one who is Confused, thinking your continued blathering on about;
"Millions and Billions of years and men before Adam.." is of interest to me....it isn't.

True Science has its place grounded in Scripture.
You obviously have Not learned to distinguish the difference between a True Science and Junk Science.
You obviously are not not keen enough to comprehend, no matter how much you peddle Junk Science ... it is of zero interest or benefit to me.
Flat out it makes you appear immature and frankly quite boring.

 

[Cooper]

If it makes you feel better to think I am confused...your thoughts do not define what I believe!

It is astounding, you being fully informed, I do not Agree with you...somehow makes you qualified to determine my thoughts.
Weird!
No, I am not confused or Blind to your "intents".

Creation of the Earth and Creation of the first man is Established IN Scripture.

Clearly, I am satisfied with the Scriptural Account.

Clearly you have another, Non- Scriptural, account That has gained your confidence that "YOU" Believe...and I do not.

Clearly you are the one who is Confused, thinking your continued blathering on about;
"Millions and Billions of years and men before Adam.." is of interest to me....it isn't.

True Science has its place grounded in Scripture.
You obviously have Not learned to distinguish the difference between a True Science and Junk Science.
You obviously are not not keen enough to comprehend, no matter how much you peddle Junk Science ... it is of zero interest or benefit to me.
Flat out it makes you appear immature and frankly quite boring.

You say nothing constructive, all you have is insults and innuendo.

So let us look at what Cain was doing in the land of Nod. He was building a city, while listening to someone playing a harp and someone else playing a flute. Nearby was a blacksmith working in iron over a hot furnace, and a tentmaker busily using a needle and thread sewing cloth with which to make a tent. They obviously had the skills to make clothes, but you ignore the people who only had fig leaves to wear. They were much earlier.

Primitive man could not do the things these Bronze Age people were doing. The first people lived in the Garden of Eden, while Cain and family lived outside the garden. Cain had turned to murder, and inheritance tells of wealth. He fled to another land to escape being killed. By whom? You say there were no other people, but they had laws, one of which was "Thou shall not murder." Murder who? According to you, there were only three people left in the whole world.

The Biblical account is correct because they knew about the people concerned, but they knew nothing of other continents. For the Israelites, this was everything they knew. Satan took Jesus up into a mountain, where they surveyed the whole world. It was only as far as the eye could see.
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[Taken]

You say nothing constructive, all you have is insults and innuendo.

So let us look at what Cain was doing in the land of Nod. He was building a city,

1) your first error.
Builded...not building.

while listening to someone playing a harp and someone else playing a flute.

2) your second error.
The music was first played by Cains 6th generation descendent G-son.

Nearby was a blacksmith working in iron over a hot furnace,

3) your third error.
Iron working WAS begun by Cains 6th generation descendent G-son.

and a tentmaker busily using a needle and thread sewing cloth with which to make a tent.

4) your fourth error.
Tent making WAS begun by Cains 6th generation descendent G-son.

They obviously had the skills to make clothes, but you ignore the people who only had fig leaves to wear.

LOL- well whoop whoop...after 6 generations of Cains descendants ... what a shock...they developed skills! LOL.

And you trying to INVENT people Before they were Born, is ridiculous!

Primitive man could not do these things. They lived in the Garden of Eden, while Cain and family lived outside the garden.

5) your fifth error.
They? Interject a THEY without mentioning who THEY are?

6) your sixth error.
ONLY Adam and Eve lived in the Garden.
"THEY" dressed themselves in Fig leaves.
God dressed them in Animal skins and booted them OUT of the Garden.
THEY then lived East of the Garden in the Land of Eden.
THEY has twin sons...in Eden.
ONE son, Cain Killed the other son Abel.
Do the math...
Daddy, Mommy, Cain
Count 1,2,3 Living People!
Cain is sent Out of Eden.
Cain is a wanderer now.
Gee...what does Wanderer mean in Hebrew...
Uh uh....Nod!
So Daddy, Adam And Mommy, Eve are in Eden...Multiplying...which means MAKING more Children!!!!
Cain is wandering around...humm, "wild guess" scrounging for food and water.
Cain takes wife.
That means Cain and A female became husband and wife.

7) you can continue with you erroneous claims...(that people were already wandering around in Nod....)
But Scripture says no such thing.

The Only ones Multiplying and Making babies, (After Cain went to Nod), was Daddy Adam and Mommy Eve. Daddy Adam and Mommy Eve, had Seth, a boy and more sons and daughters.....
WOW...some females...(Other than Eve)...
Finally ...
the "men" can get to Multiplying!!!!
Gee...what was the HOPE of Cain to get a Female to make his Wife.....
Obviously " quite Good"!!!
Oh but...how???
Daddy, Adam and Mommy, Eve and all the females are Waaaaaaay over in the Land of Eden....

LOL- Eden and Nod "bordered" each other!!!

Was anyone from Eden Prevented, Prohibited, Cursed, or anything ... From Going to the Land of Nod? No!

Did Cain have brotherS...yes
Did Cain have sisterS...yes
Did Cain have NeiceS...yes

Cain ... fled to another land to escape being killed.

8) your 8th error.
No, did Not Flee.
God SENT Cain out of Eden.

By whom? You say there were no other people, but they had laws, one of which was "Thou shall not murder."

9) your 9th error.
Scripture reveal How many people there were when Cain was sent out of Eden.

10) your 10th error.
There was no such Law that Said "Thou shall not murder", when Cain left Eden.
... Seriously? The Ten Commandments were Not Given Daddy Adam, Mommy Eve, or son Cain!!!
You are about 10 generations into the future, that had not occurred when Cain left Eden.

Murder who?
According to you, there were only three people left in the whole world.
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11) your eleventh error.
According to Scripture there were 3 Living people.
You obviously are incapable of following the ORDER of When things occurred.
Every comment you have made is not what Scripture says in context.

It would best if you do not post to me.
I have had quite enough of your rewriting Scripture and your whacky promotions of Junk Science.

Seriously, for your own benefit, I suggest you put you Science Junk away, get a Toddler or Student Bible and begin learning the Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Cooper]

1) your first error.
Builded...not building.



2) your second error.
The music was first played by Cains 6th generation descendent G-son.



3) your third error.
Iron working WAS begun by Cains 6th generation descendent G-son.



4) your fourth error.
Tent making WAS begun by Cains 6th generation descendent G-son.



LOL- well whoop whoop...after 6 generations of Cains descendants ... what a shock...they developed skills! LOL.

And you trying to INVENT people Before they were Born, is ridiculous!



5) your fifth error.
They? Interject a THEY without mentioning who THEY are?

6) your sixth error.
ONLY Adam and Eve lived in the Garden.
"THEY" dressed themselves in Fig leaves.
God dressed them in Animal skins and booted them OUT of the Garden.
THEY then lived East of the Garden in the Land of Eden.
THEY has twin sons...in Eden.
ONE son, Cain Killed the other son Abel.
Do the math...
Daddy, Mommy, Cain
Count 1,2,3 Living People!
Cain is sent Out of Eden.
Cain is a wanderer now.
Gee...what does Wanderer mean in Hebrew...
Uh uh....Nod!
So Daddy, Adam And Mommy, Eve are in Eden...Multiplying...which means MAKING more Children!!!!
Cain is wandering around...humm, "wild guess" scrounging for food and water.
Cain takes wife.
That means Cain and A female became husband and wife.

7) you can continue with you erroneous claims...(that people were already wandering around in Nod....)
But Scripture says no such thing.

The Only ones Multiplying and Making babies, (After Cain went to Nod), was Daddy Adam and Mommy Eve. Daddy Adam and Mommy Eve, had Seth, a boy and more sons and daughters.....
WOW...some females...(Other than Eve)...
Finally ...
the "men" can get to Multiplying!!!!
Gee...what was the HOPE of Cain to get a Female to make his Wife.....
Obviously " quite Good"!!!
Oh but...how???
Daddy, Adam and Mommy, Eve and all the females are Waaaaaaay over in the Land of Eden....

LOL- Eden and Nod "bordered" each other!!!

Was anyone from Eden Prevented, Prohibited, Cursed, or anything ... From Going to the Land of Nod? No!

Did Cain have brotherS...yes
Did Cain have sisterS...yes
Did Cain have NeiceS...yes




8) your 8th error.
No, did Not Flee.
God SENT Cain out of Eden.



9) your 9th error.
Scripture reveal How many people there were when Cain was sent out of Eden.

10) your 10th error.
There was no such Law that Said "Thou shall not murder", when Cain left Eden.
... Seriously? The Ten Commandments were Not Given Daddy Adam, Mommy Eve, or son Cain!!!
You are about 10 generations into the future, that had not occurred when Cain left Eden.



11) your eleventh error.
According to Scripture there were 3 Living people.
You obviously are incapable of following the ORDER of When things occurred.
Every comment you have made is not what Scripture says in context.

It would best if you do not post to me.
I have had quite enough of your rewriting Scripture and your whacky promotions of Junk Science.

Seriously, for your own benefit, I suggest you put you Science Junk away, get a Toddler or Student Bible and begin learning the Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

So according to you, and ignoring all your other errors, nobody was living before the Bronze Age, and that is why the earth is only ten thousand years old, despite coal taking millions of years to form.

You are going on ignore.

 

[Taken]

So according to you, and ignoring all your other errors, nobody was living before the Bronze Age.

LOL LOL LOL...according to me, I did not say such a stupid thing!

You are going on ignore.

Finally...
you said something that was good to hear!

 

[Cooper]

I had intended talking about the age of the earth. Instead, the conversation was turned around by a contributor to focus on the wickedness of the progenitors of the Israeli nation. That they disobeyed God in the beginning is common knowledge as is the fact they continued in their evil ways outside the garden by killing a member of their own family, namely Able. Later, under Moses, they killed the Canaanite's, and generations later went on to kill Gods prophets. They killed Isaiah by sawing him in half, and to top it all they plotted the death of the Messiah. Jesus told them their father was the devil in John 8:44. They still deny the true nature of Jesus and apart from the remnant are as far away from the true God today as they were in the garden.

I am sure the Lord has a reason for bringing this to our attention as was so ably done by the poster and I hope it helps to bring about a spirit of repentance among the people of the nation as they meditate on these things, perhaps turning to the Lord Jesus Christ themselves. May God bless us, one and all, in these last days as His plan and purpose starts to bear fruit. Amen.
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[Davy]

I had intended talking about the age of the earth. Instead, the conversation was turned around by a contributor to focus on the wickedness of the progenitors of the Israeli nation. That they disobeyed God in the beginning is common knowledge as is the fact they continued in their evil ways outside the garden by killing a member of their own family, namely Able. Later, under Moses, they killed the Canaanite's, and generations later went on to kill Gods prophets. They killed Isaiah by sawing him in half, and to top it all they plotted the death of the Messiah. Jesus told them their father was the devil in John 8:44. They still deny the true nature of Jesus and apart from the remnant are as far away from the true God today as they were in the garden.

I am sure the Lord has a reason for bringing this to our attention as was so ably done by the poster and I hope it helps to bring about a spirit of repentance among the people of the nation as they meditate on these things, perhaps turning to the Lord Jesus Christ themselves. May God bless us, one and all, in these last days as His plan and purpose starts to bear fruit. Amen.
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A lot of that is assumption, ideas from men's doctrines, and it doesn't all align with God's written Word.

Firstly, I am not Jewish. Nor do I believe in the political correctness propaganda some of them generate in order to try and win advantage over God's people.

But the idea that all the Jews are guilty of His crucifixion is simply not true. It is a myth created by Satan's host that also creep into Christ's Church in order to divide it. The preachers pushing that lie at the pulpits should be fired immediately; not because of trumped ideas of anti-Semitism, but because their preaching such a myth shows they don't really know God's Holy Writ, and are instead heeding a political agenda against Jews in general.

At the same time, preachers in Christ's Church should not be preaching a pro-Jewish message either just because someone is born of the seed of Israel. Lot of that PC stuff going on today also, and it is nothing but a fad for the gullible. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 revealed who the children of God are, and it's certainly not about bloodline birth. There is no Salvation by blood, but by Faith on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ only.

Yet someone who knows their Bible, knows what is written in God's Word, will understand the problem the children of Israel had with pagan idolators, and the leftovers of the giant hybrid race that dwelt in Canaan early in Israel's history when coming into the promise lands. The nations of Canaan which God told Israel to destroy, and don't leave alive anything that breaths in those lands, involved the giant hybrids which were the result of another irruption of the sons of God mating with flesh woman like in the days of Noah.

Num 13:32-33
32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
KJV

In Judges 2 & 3, God asked the children of Israel why they had disobeyed Him with not wiping out all those nations. God then said He would leave the pagan Canaanites that were dwelling among Israel, and use them to test Israel with, to see if they would follow Him or not.

So when you blame Israel for killing many of the pagans of the lands of Canaan, you are actually blaming God, because He is Who commanded the children of Israel to wipe out specific peoples in the land of Canaan...

Deut 20:16-18
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
KJV

In the first part of Deut.20, God tells Israel when they go up against a city outside the above lands, to try and make peace with it. But for the cities and peoples above, they were to utterly destroy them.

The children of Israel failed in that, and some of those Canaanites even fooled Joshua into thinking they were people on a long journey from a far away land, and needed Joshua's help. So he allowed them to stay with Israel, and then it was discovered they were actually Canaanites that dressed up in old torn clothing and had rotten food to make it look like they come from afar. They were thus made bondservants to Israel.

Per 1 Kings 9, there they are in Solomon's day as bondservants to Israel. They became temple servants (Nethinims) eventually, and some of them even crept into the priesthood (Ezra 2). Judah's Babylon captivity helped set the stage for those crept in unawares among the Jews, and by the time our Lord Jesus was born, the children of darkness were ready to meet Him and murder Him. Even those false Jews had plants among the crowd at Jesus' trial, to egg on the multitudes to have Jesus crucified. Didn't you catch that?

Mark 15:9-11
9 But Pilate answered them, saying, "Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?"
10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered Him for envy.
11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.
KJV

Matt 27:20
20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
KJV

We're seeing that same ancient ploy by today's Communist Antifa group stirring up the multitude of rioters in the streets. It's an old tactic by the devil used for centuries.

Thus not all Jews were guilty of Christ's crucifixion. But the ones Jesus called false Jews in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 are guilty.

 

[Cooper]

A lot of that is assumption, ideas from men's doctrines, and it doesn't all align with God's written Word.

Firstly, I am not Jewish. Nor do I believe in the political correctness propaganda some of them generate in order to try and win advantage over God's people.

But the idea that all the Jews are guilty of His crucifixion is simply not true. It is a myth created by Satan's host that also creep into Christ's Church in order to divide it. The preachers pushing that lie at the pulpits should be fired immediately; not because of trumped ideas of anti-Semitism, but because their preaching such a myth shows they don't really know God's Holy Writ, and are instead heeding a political agenda against Jews in general.

At the same time, preachers in Christ's Church should not be preaching a pro-Jewish message either just because someone is born of the seed of Israel. Lot of that PC stuff going on today also, and it is nothing but a fad for the gullible. Apostle Paul in Romans 9 revealed who the children of God are, and it's certainly not about bloodline birth. There is no Salvation by blood, but by Faith on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ only.

Yet someone who knows their Bible, knows what is written in God's Word, will understand the problem the children of Israel had with pagan idolators, and the leftovers of the giant hybrid race that dwelt in Canaan early in Israel's history when coming into the promise lands. The nations of Canaan which God told Israel to destroy, and don't leave alive anything that breaths in those lands, involved the giant hybrids which were the result of another irruption of the sons of God mating with flesh woman like in the days of Noah.

Num 13:32-33
32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
KJV

In Judges 2 & 3, God asked the children of Israel why they had disobeyed Him with not wiping out all those nations. God then said He would leave the pagan Canaanites that were dwelling among Israel, and use them to test Israel with, to see if they would follow Him or not.

So when you blame Israel for killing many of the pagans of the lands of Canaan, you are actually blaming God, because He is Who commanded the children of Israel to wipe out specific peoples in the land of Canaan...

Deut 20:16-18
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
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In the first part of Deut.20, God tells Israel when they go up against a city outside the above lands, to try and make peace with it. But for the cities and peoples above, they were to utterly destroy them.

The children of Israel failed in that, and some of those Canaanites even fooled Joshua into thinking they were people on a long journey from a far away land, and needed Joshua's help. So he allowed them to stay with Israel, and then it was discovered they were actually Canaanites that dressed up in old torn clothing and had rotten food to make it look like they come from afar. They were thus made bondservants to Israel.

Per 1 Kings 9, there they are in Solomon's day as bondservants to Israel. They became temple servants (Nethinims) eventually, and some of them even crept into the priesthood (Ezra 2). Judah's Babylon captivity helped set the stage for those crept in unawares among the Jews, and by the time our Lord Jesus was born, the children of darkness were ready to meet Him and murder Him. Even those false Jews had plants among the crowd at Jesus' trial, to egg on the multitudes to have Jesus crucified. Didn't you catch that?

Mark 15:9-11
9 But Pilate answered them, saying, "Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?"
10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered Him for envy.
11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.
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Matt 27:20
20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
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We're seeing that same ancient ploy by today's Communist Antifa group stirring up the multitude of rioters in the streets. It's an old tactic by the devil used for centuries.

Thus not all Jews were guilty of Christ's crucifixion. But the ones Jesus called false Jews in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 are guilty.

I totally agree with the theme of what you are saying, I don't know if you are aware of it, but Moses married a Kennite woman despite him telling the people they were not to marry outside their own people. She was the daughter of a Kenite priest and they were pagans. Guess who they worshipped, they worshipped Yahweh, a pagan god. Moses told the people they had not known the LORD by the name of Yahweh. Eventually the Kenites merged with Israel and from memory I think they became known as the Midionites. I am writing this quickly as I am soaking my feet and cannot move to my main computer. Anyway they were a thorn in the flesh to the Israelites and the Jews blame them for the crucifixion plot, which had to happen anyway. Living the same time as Moses was Melchadeck excuse spelling. Jesus replaced him forever and the violence in the OT which is totally at variance with NT teaching, I put down to Melchadek who at the time would have been the LORD who sat on the mercy seat in judgement with golden idols either side.

I would love a discussion on this, and I am very open-minded about it, but I feel that events in the OT need an explanation, especially when we consider that God is unchanging and would never command mass murder. Thou shall not kill says the 6th commandment. Vengeance is HIS, not ours. The true God used nature to release the people out of Egypt and it was only after their release from Egypt, that they turned to the sword and idol worship. I feel the I AM would have led the people to the promised land without bloodshed, instead they went their own way, deserting the I AM who never left them and as a consequence were left wandering in the wilderness for forty years. Only two of the original people entered the land, and they did it their way by killing their kinsfolk who Joseph left 400 years earlier.

Now then, you did not expect all that did you. Speak to you later, and do not be afraid to speak your mind. I can take it especially if it is done with love.

Added, this would account for the false Jews you mention in Revelation.
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[Taken]

Thus not all Jews were guilty of Christ's crucifixion. But the ones Jesus called false Jews in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 are guilty.

Agree.
There was obvious Divide among All people:
Some Jews Trusted Jesus is the Christ.
Some Jews Denied Jesus is the Christ.
Some Gentiles Trusted Jesus is the Christ.
Some Gentiles Denied Jesus is the Christ.

^ That HAS NOT changed from Then to This Day.

^ THAT DIVISION: is Gods Design.
Jesus came TO CAUSE: Controversy Among People...BY Teaching something the People (primarily Jews, yet Gentile's were also hearing)...had Not heard and Each...Jews and Gentiles, individually choosing what they wanted to Believe...

Jesus revealed: the Two (Beliefs) Believing Jesus IS the Christ ... Or Not Believing Jesus IS the Christ...was His Intent....an Absolute DIVISION...
Which means...every Individual MUST make A choice. To Believe or To Not Believe...

Then we have to Consider...a man, who refuses to MAKE a Choice. The NOT SURE, maybe guy, sitting ON the fence, making NO Commitment to Belief or Unbelief.

Does God MAKE them Choose? No.

Flat out we are told...Jesus' intent.
Luke 12:
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

We are told (and can ourselves observe today)...people Do Not Agree on all things spoken About Jesus...many Believe He is The Christ...many do Not...
And Agree...being ISRAEL (any of the 12 Tribes) or A being Gentile is Irrelevant...
Individuals make their own Choices of what they Believe.
* (What we find as Paramount...bottom line:
IS What an Individual Does believe:
Believe:
* In The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob...
Or Not.
* In Jesus the Christ Messiah...
Or Not.)

And the Fact IS: the INDWELLING Spirit of God IS: reserved TO Expressly BE Given TO:
Those Who "Choose" To Believe :
In the God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob AND Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.

And FOR the guy on the fence, who Makes no Choice? Well he has chosen to NOT Choose Belief...therefore: he IS Against God.
Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me;

John 7:
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
[40] Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, [/B] said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.[/B]
[41] Others said, This is the Christ. But
some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
[42] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
[43] So there was a division among the people because of him.

Glory to God,
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[Davy]

I totally agree with the theme of what you are saying, I don't know if you are aware of it, but Moses married a Kennite woman despite him telling the people they were not to marry outside their own people. She was the daughter of a Kenite priest and they were pagans.
Guess who they worshipped, they worshipped Yahweh, a pagan god. Moses told the people they had not known the LORD by the name of Yahweh. Eventually the Kenites merged with Israel and from memory I think they became known as the Midionites.

Well, that's really a myth too, because early on in Exodus 2 we are shown that Moses' father-in-law was a Midianite priest from the land of Midian (Midian was a land what is now northwest Saudi Arabia). The Midianites were not of the Kenites (land of the Kenites was in Canaan). The Midianites were descended from Midian, another son of Abraham by his wife Keturah (see Genesis 25). The Midianites were Hebrews, because they were descended from Abraham, and Abraham was descended from Eber, which is where the word Hebrew was derived. There are many peoples of the Hebrew stock that are not Israelites, so even the word Hebrew has been popularly abused.

Ex 3:1
3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
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Num 10:29
29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.
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It was the Midianite Raguel (named Reuel in Exodus 2; the Septuagint has Ragoueel in both places), that was Moses' father-in-law. Hobab was Raguel's son.

Judg 4:11
11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.
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The above shows that the word Kenite is being used as a geographical term. That's what that idea of severed himself from the Kenites is about, meaning away from the lands of the Kenites. Doesn't mean Moses' father-in-law family were of the Kenite peoples, but that they lived in the lands of the Kenites.