QUOTE (anthocology @ Feb 11 2009, 07:11 AM)
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Christina, let's have our conversation here... So other people can get the full story as well.
Fine with me anthocology first let us study the scriptures very closley on some of things we discussed do not read over them quickly but read every word and consider what they are saying Jer. 4 is talking about God judgements his anger at his children this is the basic subject ... Chap.4 gives us a vast amount of knowledge, information, wisdom, and history. It will tell us in this chapter what happened in the world that was. In other words, with this restoration being promised, He lets us know what will come upon us. He said, "I will utterly destroy you, and if you don't think I will, look back to the first time I did it."You don't have to look very far to see the results of the last world age destruction. When you go to the tundra of Alaska, and you find dinosaur remains with vegetation stil frozen in their jaws, then you know that there was an sudden freeze by a catastrophic shaking of this earth. This evidence is also found in Russia and many other of the north countries. This shows us that this earth was fertile from the pole to pole. There was no ice cap.Jeremiah 4:22 "For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children,
and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge."God is showing His disappointment in His people here. The word for "sottish" in the Hebrew means "stupid"[Strongs #5530, Cakal, "to play the fool.."]. He is disappointed in His people because of their foolishness, and stupidity in listening and being deceived. He is saying, if you don't think that I am going to bring destruction at the seventh trumpet of this earth age, you had better look back at the first Earth Age. Satan rebelled and I destroyed the entire earth age. God is setting the stage here for what He did to end that first Earth Age. God is reminding us that His people have been foolish, and always listened to men, and their foolish traditions. They prefer not to listen to God's Word, but the foolish doctrines of men's traditions. Who do you listen to, man or God? The definition of one that has no knowledge, is stupid. There is only one place to gain the knowledge from God, and that is to study God's Word. Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."God is telling us here exactly what He did to the earth at one time. This was in the first earth age. The earth spoken of here, is the "erets" as given in the Hebrew text. In Strong's Hebrew dictionary # 776.
God is saying that He was so angry before, in that first earth age, that He totally destroyed everything. In the Hebrew, from Genesis 1:2, "tohu va bohu" which means, "without form and void" "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."God said that He did not create the earth a waste land and void, it became that way when God shook it.Dont lose track here God is angry when he is looking down on this void earth Jeremiah 4:24 "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly."Jeremiah 4:25 "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled."
There was no man, because He destroyed every being on the face of the earth.
God destroyed all the birds, and creatures along with man. This is not talking about the flood of Noah, for with the flood of Noah, not only was eight Adamic souls left but the animals and the birds Gen 6:19- 20When we look at the plates of the land masses of the earth, it is obvious that there has been a shaking that took place. When Satan fell in that first earth age, there was a flood and destruction that left nothing alive to survive into this earth age. When Noah's flood came God was careful to preserve all flesh, and to take two of every kind aboard the ark. Not only are the animals and birds flesh, but all the races were flesh also, including the Kenites, those sons of Cain. Jeremiah 4:26 "I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger."God destroyed all their cities,
as well as every man and beast of the field. Did you notice that there were ancient cities in that first earth age. The bible does not disagree that the overthrow took place, and that this earth is millions of years old. However most Bible teachers today say that this earth is only 6,000 years old. Remember what God called those people? Stupid! They can't read the manuscripts, and open their eyes to the evidence around them, and see the truths that God has spoken in His Word. They can only understand what sits right before their eyes, and taught in their traditions. 2 Peter 3 is not talking Noahs flood The hebrew is very explicted here that this was a mystery being revealed a hidden thing that is now being made known.... Noahs flood was never hidden from anybody and it never destoyed the heavens and all people and animals were not destroyed. I use the following interptation because this older translation is much closer to the manuscripts. the KJV use's the idiom (figure of speech) be not ignorant that was a figure of speech in Peters time ..meaning pay attention a hidden thing and important bit wisdom is going to be revealed to those with understanding.. 5
But it is hid from them willing this thing,
that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; The heavens and earth were before 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7
But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day]. This is another hebrew idiom (though written in greek here) but Peter was a Jew he knew well all these figuers of speech that were common in his day Think on this and I will continue to document in scripture some of the other things we discussed