Tithe

[PS95]

You have some terrible reading comprehension skills, Fred. No point in saying anything else. No harm no foul on my end.

 

[Fred J]

You have some terrible reading comprehension skills, Fred.

Stop it, you're breaking my heart!

Since you claim to have a better reading comprehension skills, quote a verse from Acts to the epistles of the Apostles, there was non-compulsion10% offering?

 

[PS95]

Stop it, you're breaking my heart!

Since you claim to have a better reading comprehension skills, quote a verse from Acts to the epistles of the Apostles, there was non-compulsion10% offering?

Better yet- YOU quote one where it is forbidden to offer 10% if you decide to give that amt cheerfully?
Is 9% ok- how about 11%? Just 10 is bad?
Get a grip.

 

[Fred J]

Better yet- YOU quote one where it is forbidden to offer 10% if you decide to give that amt cheerfully?
Is 9% ok- how about 11%? Just 10 is bad?
Get a grip.

Get a grip your 'self' and your 'ignorance', mind you, there's quotes and explanation in all my post.

Apparently you can't quote even one since there's none, so stop playing mind games and your time is up!

 

[Deborah_]

For many Christians, tithing smacks of legalism. Wasn’t it part of the Old Covenant Law, which no longer applies to us? And in all the many passages on money and giving in the New Testament, tithing is never even suggested, let alone commanded.

However, tithing pre-dates the Law. It is first mentioned when Abram gives to Melchizedek (who is God’s representative) a tenth of the spoils that he has just won in battle (Genesis 14:20). Two generations later, Jacob vows to give to God a tenth of everything he acquires (Genesis 28:22). So it's an ancient principle, later incorporated into the Law in order to finance worship in the Tabernacle and support the priests and Levites.

But when Paul writes to the Corinthians about giving, he carefully avoids prescribing either a set amount or a fixed proportion. “Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (II Corinthians 9:7)

So tithing is not compulsory; but we shouldn't therefore dismiss it altogether. For how do we decide how much of our income to give away? At least the 10% figure gives us something to work from! It suggests that we should be giving a significant amount, not just the few coins left in our purses at the end of the week. We should probably be giving away enough for us to notice a dent in our weekly or monthly budget. For the less well off, this might be only 5% (or even less); but for the richer ones among us, it should probably be 20% (or even more).

 

[Fred J]

For many Christians, tithing smacks of legalism. Wasn’t it part of the Old Covenant Law, which no longer applies to us? And in all the many passages on money and giving in the New Testament, tithing is never even suggested, let alone commanded.

However, tithing pre-dates the Law. It is first mentioned when Abram gives to Melchizedek (who is God’s representative) a tenth of the spoils that he has just won in battle (Genesis 14:20). Two generations later, Jacob vows to give to God a tenth of everything he acquires (Genesis 28:22). So it's an ancient principle, later incorporated into the Law in order to finance worship in the Tabernacle and support the priests and Levites.

But when Paul writes to the Corinthians about giving, he carefully avoids prescribing either a set amount or a fixed proportion. “Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (II Corinthians 9:7)

So tithing is not compulsory; but we shouldn't therefore dismiss it altogether. For how do we decide how much of our income to give away? At least the 10% figure gives us something to work from! It suggests that we should be giving a significant amount, not just the few coins left in our purses at the end of the week. We should probably be giving away enough for us to notice a dent in our weekly or monthly budget. For the less well off, this might be only 5% (or even less); but for the richer ones among us, it should probably be 20% (or even more).

Readers,

Fair enough, why do we have to go down the path backwards again to decide 10% or now 5%, as though you have and serve a bargaining GOD?

Isn't the quote of Paul just quoted mentions clearly, without any 'measure', ' give' what you've decided in your heart?

And if you hold back what you've decide to give, apparently will end up like the account of Ananias and Sapphira.

It's just that the seed that fell among the thorn bushes believers caught in the necessity and pleasure of the earth, struggle from 10% to 5% to nothing monthly.

The LORD GOD of Israel because of Lord Jesus Christ is our 'provider', the more you sow the more you reap and overflowing.

It's like Cain who reaped, 'measured' as small portion as his offering unto GOD, but Abel did not but gave the best of the whole 'firstborn' lamb.

The widow who gave everything that she had, is not like she starved, and became homeless and died with nothing.

For she knew under the Law of Moses and waiting for the Messiah, the LORD GOD Isreal is her 'provider', 'healer', etc.

While the others gave out of their abundance, 'which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel', and where GOD is not pleased.

Been there, done that and know how, when me deciding to give a 'measured' portion of 10% offering monthly and gradually planing to increase.

As from the beginning stage itself, i soon fallen short, reducing down to 5%, and to nothing, and finally gave up.

Now i don't measure, but as 'doer' and 'abider' by the scripture, i give what i decided in my heart, not thinking if may fall short before the end of the month.

At times there were hold backs and bargains, but had to confess as lalwlessness, and try again as to workout my salvation in fear and trembling.

On the other hand, It's like one trying to be wise in one's sight and thinking in 'measuring' how much to give, and end up unwise, and folly and unfruitful, whom GOD laughs at.

Stick to the scripture and it's sound doctrine, likewise as 'doers' and 'abiders', and the Holy Ghost, and as servants in the spirit, not in the flesh, thinking, reasoning and bargaining.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Deborah_]

Fair enough, why do we have to go down the path backwards again to decide 10% or now 5%, as though you have and serve a bargaining GOD?

Isn't the quote of Paul just quoted mentions clearly, without any 'measure', ' give' what you've decided in your heart?

Who said anything about bargaining? Whatever percentage I decide to give, that's my choice. Or do you have a problem with the concept of a percentage? But Paul advises us to give in proportion to our income (I Corinthians 16:2)!

 

[Fred J]

Who said anything about bargaining?

Did you say?

Whatever percentage I decide to give, that's my choice. Or do you have a problem with the concept of a percentage?

Do you?

The Word of GOD, Christ, today by the Holy Ghost have problem that certain churches use the term, 'tithes' and 'a tenth' compulsory that believers should offer from thier income.

Besides included also other offerings believers should offer in other matters of the church in the account of 'generous giving' and 'cheerful giving'.

For the record, a letter like 'tithe' and letters like 'a tenth' and others relatively required offering from one's gain since GOD made them prosper are also pertaining to the Law of Moses.

And the Law have been 'abolished' from the record and not applicable to the church under grace and faith, not a 'letter' or 'letters' from the Law should be reintroduce.and practiced.

The Aposrtles of the New Testament foundation have verified this clearly and also the consequences that comes with it.

Do you have a problem with that?

But Paul advises us to give in proportion to our income (I Corinthians 16:2)!

Are you sure, that Paul's set aside 'a proportion' from one's income which GOD made them prosper the 'truth', tangible with your 'self' claim 'a percentage'?

(Proportion giving and percentage giving are not the same manner, though they are closely related. They differ because proportions show a part compared to a whole as a fraction or decimal. while percentages show that same comparison scaled out of one hundred.)

Ironically many strange characters are responding to this tread than worshipers in spirit and truth

 

[Deborah_]

certain churches use the term, 'tithes' and 'a tenth' compulsory that believers should offer from thier income.

But my church doesn't. I've never attended a church that insists on a compulsory 10%.

Proportion giving and percentage giving are not the same manner, though they are closely related. They differ because proportions show a part compared to a whole as a fraction or decimal. while percentages show that same comparison scaled out of one hundred.

"Percentage" is merely another way of expressing "proportion". There's no practical difference between the two; the distinction is purely in terminology. All proportions are a percentage. Whatever amount you are giving is a percentage of your income, whether you want to call it that or not. So Paul's 'proportion' is a percentage - he just didn't specify what the percentage (or proportion) should be.

 

[Fred J]

But my church doesn't. I've never attended a church that insists on a compulsory 10%.



"Percentage" is merely another way of expressing "proportion". There's no practical difference between the two; the distinction is purely in terminology. All proportions are a percentage. Whatever amount you are giving is a percentage of your income, whether you want to call it that or not. So Paul's 'proportion' is a percentage - he just didn't specify what the percentage (or proportion) should be.

There's difference even though they're closely related and have specified in my post.

For it is written, "Man shall not live by bread alone but by the every word that proceeded out of HIS mouth.'

And all scripture is breath out by GOD and is HIS testament or HE's telling the story, and the Apostles are HIS 'instruments' used

Therefore when scripture read 'propportion', even though there's slight difference to 'percentage', yet there's difference and is unwise to 'add' to the 'word'.