And with that post you just stepped outside the Scriptures...of course, if you understood Thomas' mind and intent that would be diffferent.
It is not so therefore 2 Tim 2:16 applies.
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And with that post you just stepped outside the Scriptures...of course, if you understood Thomas' mind and intent that would be diffferent.
It is not so therefore 2 Tim 2:16 applies.
I understand that Jesus taught Thomas for years. Thomas knew that Jesus is God, as Thomas clearly stated.
Or perhaps:
1 Corinthians 5:5 (NKJV)
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Just on that Ducky.
Did Jesus ever teach he was God? Chapter and verse would be great?
Certainly. He taught John for years as He did Thomas also.
John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Jesus also taught Paul directly.
Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
If this isn't Jesus then Who is it?
Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.
It is Jesus.
You must have glazed over my question.
I am seeking the Words of Jesus? Where did he teach he was God?
You don't believe the Bible to be God's Word?
John 15:10 (NKJV)
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Matt 1:20-23
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for That Which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
(KJV)
Isa 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
(KJV)
How long will the Jews deny The Scriptures that they have possessed all along about The Christ as Immanuel God with us having already manifested through Jesus of Nazareth?
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for That Which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
(KJV)
Isa 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
(KJV)
How long will the Jews deny The Scriptures that they have possessed all along about The Christ as Immanuel God with us having already manifested through Jesus of Nazareth?
I would say the same amount of time it will take for you to put aside your creeds and trinitarian doctrine.
Everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God and the Son of Man...but never "very God".
You say it’s nonsense that Jesus Christ obeyed his Fathers commands...are you for real Ducky?
Here it is again just in case your response was an aberration
"just as I (Jesus) have kept My Father's (Yahweh) commandments and abide in His love."
You think God abides in His own love? and obeys His own commandments?
Surely not.
For those who understand God's prophecy He gave through Isaiah about The Christ as Immanuel God with us, being born of a virgin, and that being fulfilled by Jesus of Nazareth, then that's a primary Gospel witness you can use when witnessing Christ Jesus to unbelieving Jews.
The reason is, because of that Isaiah 7 and 9:6 Old Testament prophecy, it reveals that our Lord Jesus Christ was God come in the flesh, for that's the meaning of His Name "Immanuel" in those Old Testament Scriptures. And all the Jews have possession of those Old Testament Scriptures about that prophecy of Christ being born of a virgin.
The reason is, because of that Isaiah 7 and 9:6 Old Testament prophecy, it reveals that our Lord Jesus Christ was God come in the flesh, for that's the meaning of His Name "Immanuel" in those Old Testament Scriptures. And all the Jews have possession of those Old Testament Scriptures about that prophecy of Christ being born of a virgin.
You speak as though you understand Veteran - But Jesus Christ is a stumbling block to you...you will see.
1 Cor 1:23KJV (a Greek!)
Insight
2 Cor 3:13-16
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
(KJV)
Even today, that vail is upon the hearts of Jews that refuse to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ per Isaiah's Testimony in Isaiah 7 and 9:6.
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
(KJV)
Even today, that vail is upon the hearts of Jews that refuse to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ per Isaiah's Testimony in Isaiah 7 and 9:6.
While you mock the Jews you should know they to this day worship the One True God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And while they are yet to accept the Messiah - - The Son of Yahweh; when they do they will weep as though they had lost thier firstborn son.
I wonder how hard you will weep when you discover Jesus Christ is not Yahweh Himself, but His perfect obedient Son who pleased Him in all things.
You ought to consider whose gifts you are called to partake. Rom 15:27KJV Rom 15:27YLT Rom 15:27NIV
If only you understood their spiritual blindness and its outworking you wouldnt be so quick to condemn.
Insight
I wonder how hard you will weep when you discover Jesus Christ is not Yahweh Himself, but His perfect obedient Son who pleased Him in all things.
You ought to consider whose gifts you are called to partake. Rom 15:27KJV Rom 15:27YLT Rom 15:27NIV
If only you understood their spiritual blindness and its outworking you wouldnt be so quick to condemn.
Insight
We'll keep trying until you stop ignoring.
Isaiah 9:6-7 (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever.
Total distortion of what I said.
Your perception of what you quoted is severely erroneous.
John 17:5 (NKJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Jesus is God, the Creator.
Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
"just as I (Jesus) have kept My Father's (Yahweh) commandments and abide in His love."
Still applies.
God doesnt need to keep His own commandments
Still applies.
God doesnt need to keep His own commandments
God came in the flesh to set an example for us."just as I (Jesus) have kept My Father's (Yahweh) commandments and abide in His love."
Still applies.
God doesnt need to keep His own commandments
1 John 4:2-3 (NKJV)
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
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Jesus and God are one and the same. Jesus tells us in His own words that He and the Father are One. Each version of the Bible that I’ve looked at agrees on this. They are one...God is Jesus and Jesus is God. They dwell within one another.
John 10:27-30 (ESV) - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one."
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Jesus and God are both EQUAL as well.
John 5:18 - This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
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John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
If the Word is God, and the Word became flesh (Jesus), then Jesus IS the Word, which makes Him God. Just because the Word became flesh doesn’t mean that Jesus’ spirit changed.
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Jesus is stated as the true God and eternal life here:
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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And sure, Jesus died...but He ALSO rose from the dead after His death on the cross. Could any mere man do that? Not only did he rise from the dead, but he also saved us from our sins...again, no mere mortal man could do that.
John 19:28-30 - After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said ( to fulfill the Scripture), "I thirst." A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished," and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
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Thomas also calls Jesus “God”. As it has already been stated, if Jesus wasn’t God, then he would have told Thomas otherwise. After all, if he did NOT tell Thomas otherwise, that would make him a liar, and a sinner. Which we all know is impossible.
John 20:27-29 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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God and Jesus are both stated as being the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
Revelation 1:8 - "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 22:12-13 - "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
John 10:27-30 (ESV) - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one."
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Jesus and God are both EQUAL as well.
John 5:18 - This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
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John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
If the Word is God, and the Word became flesh (Jesus), then Jesus IS the Word, which makes Him God. Just because the Word became flesh doesn’t mean that Jesus’ spirit changed.
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Jesus is stated as the true God and eternal life here:
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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And sure, Jesus died...but He ALSO rose from the dead after His death on the cross. Could any mere man do that? Not only did he rise from the dead, but he also saved us from our sins...again, no mere mortal man could do that.
John 19:28-30 - After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said ( to fulfill the Scripture), "I thirst." A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished," and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
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Thomas also calls Jesus “God”. As it has already been stated, if Jesus wasn’t God, then he would have told Thomas otherwise. After all, if he did NOT tell Thomas otherwise, that would make him a liar, and a sinner. Which we all know is impossible.
John 20:27-29 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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God and Jesus are both stated as being the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
Revelation 1:8 - "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 22:12-13 - "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
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No, God never dwelt in sin. Neither did Jesus.
2 Corinthians 5:21 - For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Jesus never did anything sinful. He “knew no sin”. And just because there was temptation in His life doesn’t mean that He sinned. Temptation is simply giving a choice - right or wrong. People might WANT to do one thing, but they CAN do the right thing instead. He was allowed to be tempted so that he would be able to help those who ARE tempted.
Hebrews 2:18 - For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
In Jesus’ time of temptation, rather than giving into Satan, he used scripture to make Satan turn and run.
Matthew 4:1-11 - Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread." But he answered, "It is written, "'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, "'He will command his angels concerning you,' and "'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'" Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'" Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.'" Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.
He was tempted, but never sinned.
James 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
The fact of the matter is, none of us are truly ever able to grasp how it is that God and Jesus are one and the same.
Philippians 2:5-7 - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
He was given a human form so that he could set an example for the HUMILITY that His people should have for the Father and for each other.
Philippians 2:8-11 - And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
2 Corinthians 5:21 - For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Jesus never did anything sinful. He “knew no sin”. And just because there was temptation in His life doesn’t mean that He sinned. Temptation is simply giving a choice - right or wrong. People might WANT to do one thing, but they CAN do the right thing instead. He was allowed to be tempted so that he would be able to help those who ARE tempted.
Hebrews 2:18 - For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
In Jesus’ time of temptation, rather than giving into Satan, he used scripture to make Satan turn and run.
Matthew 4:1-11 - Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread." But he answered, "It is written, "'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, "'He will command his angels concerning you,' and "'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'" Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'" Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.'" Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.
He was tempted, but never sinned.
James 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
The fact of the matter is, none of us are truly ever able to grasp how it is that God and Jesus are one and the same.
Philippians 2:5-7 - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
He was given a human form so that he could set an example for the HUMILITY that His people should have for the Father and for each other.
Philippians 2:8-11 - And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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