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We would feed anyone . But always remember this as well . Never lie to them . If they are a man and ask you to call them mam
or etc . YE are not to do any such thing . Never allow one to ever feel their sin is okay in the eyes of God .
The more we read the bible the more we see the real pattern on how to appraoch any situation .
I can understand this..
There is a section where Paul is talking about eating things of the altar... I'll find it
1Co 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
1Co 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
1Co 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

I may need to translate this in a different version...

feast is the example given right?

translating...

My brother in law came to me and set before me a plate of transgenderism. I was sitting in his mother's house when this was set before me.
I was not told that this new way of life was happening because it was trending, or everyone is doing it.. kind of thing.
His conscience wasn't offended at all. In fact he took it as the only alternative to how his body and mind was telling him to be.

Using the scenerio above given by Paul..
what should my response have been?
Because basically, I didn't react one way or the other. I kind of said.. that's nice dear... not in those words, but I wasn't interested in his personal changes. I was more concerned about what he was going to do for his mother, now that his father had just passed away.
That was more my priority than his gender change.

What should I have said? or should I have said anything..
and what does who's conscience have to do with it? mine or his?
What is Paul saying?

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In the 1950's a mans wage was enough to provide for his wife and children and buy a house and go on plenty of holidays.
But then they started to trick women into the workforce, telling them that satisfaction in life doesn't come from family but from career.
Its part of the feminist movement which was never led by females but by the elite... Women were tricked by the elite

A few years ago i was explaining this to my mum and asked if she would have preferred to had been with us or working...
She started crying... Off course a mother would rather be raising her kids than be at work... Ask any mother

By almost doubling the workforce they were able to bring down wages...
Now you need two incomes to be able to buy a home around the cities
Women are taught to compete against men and work. For most women, they have no choice, they have to work...

My dad worked day shift and my mum worked afternoon shift at the same factory to make ends meet.
So while we were at school in the day it was our dad who took care of us in the evening.

So its hardly fair to blame these women i think... The blame ought to be focused on society which have stolen mothers away from children
I recently read that mothers are strangling our economy and they need to work. Its so evil


Another reason that kids want to change sex is narcissism. They need a good old fashioned kick in the backside.
"Oh im special... Oh im different" No your not... You are a human created in God's image

Ah even regional areas in Victoria are getting expensive, it sucks though. There's a massive wage gap between high and low income earners, wage growth for the low and middle income earners is growing a lot slower than house prices, most people cannot save up like they used to, the aim is now to save up for a deposit and usually requires 2 people to work their butts off to pay it off. It shouldn't be that way.

The way it should be, is a man's wage should be enough to buy a house before marriage, so when they have kids with their wives, they can focus on raising the family, instead of both parents working to pay high rents or pay off the loan.
 
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Imagine a church, a body,,, one day you decide to enter that body. You sit and the fellowship begins, everyone begins to confess their individual sins, you know the things done in darkness. If you were not among the born of God you’d have to acknowledge these things in yourself, or would you.
That would explain why birds of a feather flock together.
I'm pretty sure if I was holding a bible study and preaching on the sins of transgenderism. not many transgenders would show up to the bible study.

You know, this is a lot more sinister than just someone believing their anatomy is wrong.
There is an all out attack going on with every aspect of anything we call tradition or commonsense.
Imagine telling a child they can choose to be a girl or boy or both or neither...
this is chaos.

The ones feeding this menu have to be fired.
And I know there are people right now all around this country and the world, and they are waking up and pushing back.
And maybe we can save the next generation,
how to save this one?
A lot of love and a lot of patience.

I don't see any other way.
If you come at them attacking them, they will just go farther and farther into the shadows.
They have to be drawn out, somehow..
They have to recognize they have been lied to.. but they don't believe you, they have been told your the liar and that's what they believe.

It's a challenge, that's for sure.
Prayer works
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Ah even regional areas in Victoria are getting expensive, it sucks though. There's a massive wage gap between high and low income earners, wage growth for the low and middle income earners is growing a lot slower than house prices, most people cannot save up like they used to, the aim is now to save up for a deposit and usually requires 2 people to work their butts off to pay it off. It shouldn't be that way.

The way it should be, is a man's wage should be enough to buy a house before marriage, so when they have kids with their wives, they can focus on raising the family, instead of both parents working to pay high rents or pay off the loan.
They are stealing your country.
They don't want you to own anything. They make it impossible to save.
And those who have saved over the years are watching their lifes earnings disappear.
Those who own property are being forced into forclosures where big realestate corporations are buying them up and renting them as low income housing subsidized by the government.
Socialism.
Eventually you will own nothing and be happy.

July 14, 2020

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Ah even regional areas in Victoria are getting expensive, it sucks though. There's a massive wage gap between high and low income earners, wage growth for the low and middle income earners is growing a lot slower than house prices, most people cannot save up like they used to, the aim is now to save up for a deposit and usually requires 2 people to work their butts off to pay it off. It shouldn't be that way.

The way it should be, is a man's wage should be enough to buy a house before marriage, so when they have kids with their wives, they can focus on raising the family, instead of both parents working to pay high rents or pay off the loan.

That's why capitalism has failed the working class...

They say that capitalism is sustainable unless the elite get too greedy... We've now reached that point... Trading with communist China is akin to trading with the devil...

I don't know what the answer is but socialism is certainly not the answer
 

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That would explain why birds of a feather flock together.
I'm pretty sure if I was holding a bible study and preaching on the sins of transgenderism. not many transgenders would show up to the bible study.

You know, this is a lot more sinister than just someone believing their anatomy is wrong.
There is an all out attack going on with every aspect of anything we call tradition or commonsense.
Imagine telling a child they can choose to be a girl or boy or both or neither...
this is chaos.

The ones feeding this menu have to be fired.
And I know there are people right now all around this country and the world, and they are waking up and pushing back.
And maybe we can save the next generation,
how to save this one?
A lot of love and a lot of patience.

I don't see any other way.
If you come at them attacking them, they will just go farther and farther into the shadows.
They have to be drawn out, somehow..
They have to recognize they have been lied to.. but they don't believe you, they have been told your the liar and that's what they believe.

It's a challenge, that's for sure.
Prayer works
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We must follow the example of JESUS . Jesus simply spoke the truth . Whoever received it amen and many also rejected it .
Just speak the truth . Only GOD can give the increase . There is no need to overthink anything .
All we need to do is simply speak truth . Whoever hears amen and many will also reject .
 
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Transgenderism is madness. It is catering to a madness where a person thinks he is something that he isn't. You cannot make a dog a cat anymore then you can make a man a woman and vice versa. I do believe there may be a demonic element at play in this too. That is why the person is trapped in this behavior and can't seem to change at times. It sinks its claws into the individual.
 
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My ex-brother-in-law is transgender.
She is around 60 years old.
I say she because he truly believes in his heart, he was meant to be a she.
When she first introduced herself it was about 6 or 7 years ago now, I was given the "opportunity" to ask her questions.
I really didn't have any.
But I gave it my best shot.
When did you realize you wanted to be a female?
She said in her early teens she knew something was different. She didn't feel like the other boys.
She wasn't attracted to men, so it's not a homosexual attraction. She still enjoyed women.

I reject transgender abuse of language. Feelings are not facts. Your ex-brother-inlaw is a man. The noun is man. You may modify this noun with any adjective you want but it is wrong to pretend feelings change the noun.

Proper language is he a a transgender man. On Moody radio, Janet Parcel rejected 'birthing people.' Only woman get pregnant and only men can get a woman pregnant. That's science.

Political-correctness is tyranny of language and thought. The insistence that people get to dictate what pronouns other people use is tyrannical. If your feelings are hurt when other's properly identify reality, seek psychiatrics counseling. Reality is not dictated by how people feel. A is A. The man is a man no matter how much he "identifies" with being anything else. This self-identification of reality supposition is like 1984.
 

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I'm not saying I agree with transgenderism. I believe it goes against God's creation and plan for human life.
I'm just sharing what I have been told by a person that is within the scope of people I know personally.
It's one thing to hypothesize about people you don't know, but hearing from the people themselves and why they think the way they do is something else.
I'm simply sharing this person's version of the their own truth.
I simply can't wrap my head around the biology and the anatomy argument.
The mind is subjective and always will be, the physical anatomy is a whole different ball game.
Just saying
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If someone is born male and wants to say they were supposed to be a female, whatever. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I'll still treat them respectfully as they are still human. It's God's problem.
I don't want them or anyone else pushing falsehoods on my grandkids, though. But maybe if they'd been accepted as people in the first place, they wouldn't be so hateful towards Christians.
Back in the 80's, while an apartment superintendent, I met a gay couple and we became friends with them. They never hit on me, and they never tried to mess with my kid. About all they did was run a theater company, which, btw, was quite good.
As President trump once said, "it's the church's fault that the country is so screwed up!" Much of the church didn't like that, and as a result, voted for Biden. Talk about cutting off your nose to smite your face!
 

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At some point God had to make a law saying man sleeping with man was unacceptable.
This issue has been around for a very long time.
I don't believe the issue is about being gay. At the core that is.
I believe they was pushing this ideology as the new normal.
If you change the fundamental reason why God created male and female anything...
then eventually their would be no future generations.
It is a form of genocide against the human race.
If God didn't want gays there wouldn't be any.
I also believe people are created "different" for a reason.
And it's not for their sake they are different, but for ours.
Are people who are created "different" still created by God?
And how compassionate, understanding or tolerant are we of all of God's creation?

It doesn't mean you have to agree or be a partaker of how they live.
It means you have to dig a little deeper inside your own soul and find mercy and kindness, regardless of the situation.

I'm not gay. I'm not transgender. I'm not a lot of things.
And who am I to tell another how to live.
I believe the Lord puts a lot of tests in the paths of our lives.
And each one will be judged according to how we judged others.
I prefer not to be judged according to "my" understanding.

There is a reason for everything.
There are No coincidences.

That's what I believe
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I also believe people are created "different" for a reason.
And it's not for their sake they are different, but for ours.
Are people who are created "different" still created by God?

what do you base this on if I may?

This is not only counter to all themes of scripture but would actually mean God "created" sin and these people would not be accountable for their sins and that simply is impossible.
 
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what do you base this on if I may?

This is not only counter to all themes of scripture but would actually mean God "created" sin and these people would not be accountable for their sins and that simply is impossible.
Did God create the Law?

If there was no law, would there still be sin?

By creating the law, did God create sin?

Your kid has a curfew. They break curfew. They get punished for coming in after curfew.
What happens if there is no curfew?
Is being late still punishable?

I base it on using my brain and thinking...
That's what God gave me one for.
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Did God create the Law?

If there was no law, would there still be sin?

By creating the law, did God create sin?

Sin was in the world long before the Law was given and no God didn't "create'' sin by creating the law.

Your kid has a curfew. They break curfew. They get punished for coming in after curfew.
What happens if there is no curfew?
Is being late still punishable?

It is also written that if there is no law covering, then there is no violation of the law but that can still be sin ( falling short)

I base it on using my brain and thinking...
That's what God gave me one for.

I believe you, thats why i was assisting you in doing that by giving you correct information for you to review
 

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Sin was in the world long before the Law was given and no God didn't "create'' sin by creating the law.



It is also written that if there is no law covering, then there is no violation of the law but that can still be sin ( falling short)



I believe you, thats why i was assisting you in doing that by giving you correct information for you to review
Did God create the tree of Knowledge of good and evil?
Did God create the snake?
Did God tell Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge?

What if God never said don't eat?
Would eating still have brought sin upon mankind?
Or was it the breaking of the commandment that was sin?

How would one know they was falling short if there was no standard to go by?

I appreciate your assistance... whether your information is more "correct" than mine...
is subjective..
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What if God never said don't eat?
Would eating still have brought sin upon mankind?
Or was it the breaking of the commandment that was sin?

If there was no prohibition then the act would have not been considered a sin and punished

How would one know they was falling short if there was no standard to go by?

That is incumbent on the one giving the standard. Is there a specific example you would use?

I appreciate your assistance... whether your information is more "correct" than mine...
is subjective..

Very welcome but correct is not 'subjective" and what you have been given is scriptural "correct"
 
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If there was no prohibition then the act would have not been considered a sin and punished



That is incumbent on the one giving the standard. Is there a specific example you would use?



Very welcome but correct is not 'subjective" and what you have been given is scriptural "correct"
I love your sense of humor.. :)
( It's possible I used the wrong word "subjective" , I'm working with a 6th grade education here, and I don't always get the right word with the meaning I'm looking for, and when I wrote it, I even thought, is that the right word? maybe debateable? )

Well, the standard is the Glory in which we fell from, no?
How would we know what Glory looks like, if we didn't have a standard in which to measure Glory ?

I'm not trying to be argumentative.. I'm just thinking..
And I like to really dig into these thoughts because they can be very enlightening into looking into ones own self.
So while yes, I am responding to you, I am also putting down what I am thinking.
This way you get a look inside my head and maybe see things from a different perspective.
Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, I'm not looking for a grade.
It's just thoughts based on what I've read in the bible, what I've experienced in life, this is me.

I am what you read.. I would say see, but I don't have a photo to download.
Would it matter anyways what I looked like? I don't think so, because it's the heart that matters right?

So let me ask you...
How does my heart sound?
Am I straying far from the path or just on the fringes? according to your correctness?
How would you judge me?

I'm enjoying this conversation,
Thank You
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So let me ask you...
How does my heart sound?
Am I straying far from the path or just on the fringes? according to your correctness?
How would you judge me?

I'm enjoying this conversation,

I am as well and this is no attempt to judge you in any way.

The way you present your thoughts however does make it difficult to discern the base thoughts though in order to really go deep into a specific subject
 
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