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Featured tribulation and suffering part 1

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Randy Kluth, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    Oh no! Not the Hyper-Dispensationalist nation of Israel is the kingdom only doctrine of men!!

    Just this Hosea quote by Apostle Paul to Gentile believers is enough to show that Christ's Church is God's True Israel, the believing Gentiles inheriting with believing Israel...

    Rom 9:23-26
    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

    26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
    KJV


    So you should dump Darby's Dispensationalist theories, because they are not written in God's Word. There is no 'secret rapture' of the Church to live in Heaven while the kingdom of Israel is restored on earth. David's throne is an earthly throne, not a Heavenly one. And Jesus of Nazareth is coming to sit upon David's earthly... throne, in JERUSALEM, in His Temple, and not today's orthodox unbelieving Jew's temple.
     
  2. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    I guess you missed reading this by Apostle Paul...

    1 Cor 5:1-5
    5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

    2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

    3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

    4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

    5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
    KJV



    The wicked have been cast out of Churches all throughout Christian history, and rightly so if they were found guilty of things that no Christian should ever commit. But does that mean that soul can't repent and return? No, but many of them don't or won't repent for their heart was not really in Christ to begin with, showing they were not of us (from what Apostle John said about antichrists).

    And have you not read what Paul said in 1 Timothy 1 about those who do those sins not inheriting the kingdom of God?

    How is it this seems to be such a mystery to you?
     
  3. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    Revelation 14-16. Do you know of any other periods in history where humans were branded with 666?
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I hope you understand that this isn't fun or useful.

    Great topic, but not like this.
     
  5. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    Not correct. Those whose names are Written in the Book of Life are all of Gods people. Malachi 3:18
    Today, it is every faithful born again Christian person. Note; It is possible to be blotted out from that Book. Psalms 67:28
     
  6. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    It is possible. But where in OT prophecies are people stated not in the Book of Life? It does not happen until after the book of life is unsealed. The 7th seal opened, starts the process of name removal. Revelation 14:9-11

    9 Another angel, a third one, followed them and said in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives the mark on his forehead or on his hand,
    10 he will indeed drink the wine of God’s fury poured undiluted into the cup of his rage. He will be tormented by fire and sulfur before the holy angels and before the Lamb,
    11 and the smoke from their tormenting goes up forever and ever. They have no rest, day or night, those who worship the beast and its image and those who receive the mark of its name.”

    Revelation 17:8
    8 The beast you saw once was, now is not, and will come up from the Abyss; but it is on its way to destruction. The people living on earth whose names have not been written in the Book of Life since the founding of the world will be astounded to see the beast that once was, now is not, but is to appear. 9 This calls for a mind with wisdom:

    These are those who are left on earth with Satan and accepts his deception. Those who are beheaded will be resurrected with a restored body, but will lead normal lives. Revelation says the harvest spared no one. Three chapters about the destruction of babel, and the wine press of God’s wrath.
     
  7. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    No, do you?
     
  8. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    Well, they are useful, because your interpretation on that goats and sheep reveals both the Hyper-Dispensationalist theory, and Pre-tribulationalism. It was Darby who taught the idea that Jesus comes to gather the Church to live in Heaven while the nation of Israel is restored on earth. That idea is not Biblical, and that is what your sheep and goats interpretation shows influence from.
     
  9. Timtofly

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    It is spelled out in Revelation. It does not appear out of thin air. Sheep and goats are going to be separated next in the sounding of the Trumpets. The Trumpets are calling the house of Jacob in preparation for the Second Coming.
     
  10. Randy Kluth

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    There are also those, like myself, who are semi-Dispensationalist Postribbers. I'm not sure that's the right term, but I do believe the nations will be restored to Christianity, including Israel. But I do not believe in a reemergence of the Law of Moses, nor in an exclusivity of Israel on the Millennial earth. There is only one Christian plan for the nations, including Israel. However, each nation has its own unique relationship with God, and thus, its own historical times and seasons.
     
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