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Featured tribulation and suffering part 1

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Randy Kluth, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    The coming Antichrist is Satan. That is what is written in all Bibles. No one willingly follows Satan, because that is not how Satan operates with humans. He does not want our jobs. He wants to be God. He was Eve's friend, or so she thought. She did not feel threatened or in harm when around Satan. She did not even follow him. She just listened to him. Like Reformed theology is just people listening to Satan. It sounds good and truthful, and full of wisdom. People follow Reformed theology, not Satan. Except for the fact it is following Satan. Just not willingly. They think they are following sound doctrine just like Eve. Even today, we have some claiming Eve was following sound doctrine. To be like God, we have to twist God's Word. "Those pesky results will not really happen." "You will just be like God". So change good for evil. Because all they got was evil. They already had good. Don't follow God's Word, or wait, quote hundreds of verses, because God chose only a few elect: the LIE. Don't look for Christ or me Satan, look for an Antichrist: the Lie. We are told to Not to look for false Christs, because they are antichrist. How can we skip a step and wait for an Antichrist? we already know that Satan wants to be God, the only Antichrist. But the reveal is that we know Satan is the Antichrist. Satan has deceived us in doctrine, in theology, in evolution, and even in the very form of reality itself. All fell away in some form or the other. The Holy Spirit is working, but not in current doctrine and theology. The Holy Spirit does change us away from the world, not into some worldly prosperity. This world and it's economy is going to stop. It is not going to turn into some one world prosperity with a human antichrist leading the way. The nations already tried that twice, and what has it really done? The Bible does say there is a clear choice between God and the dragon, Satan. Being deceived may not make it easy to see that choice.
     
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    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    You said, "We are the wild branch while Israel is the domestic branch, but the tree we are grafted into is Abraham."

    The tree is Jesus Christ. Abraham's offspring were the main branches. Those after the Cross were grafted in. It was on an individual basis.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    That is not talking about the Great Tribulation.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    No, it's afterward.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I'll give this some thought.

    There was a particular reason I had concluded that Romans 11 was speaking of being grafted into Abraham, but I'm not thinking of it at the moment.

    I know that we were actually born into the tree of Christ, or rather, He is the firstfruits, bearing His seed in Him. And the Jews were actually born into Abraham, while gentiles were not. The gentiles who believe God are counted children of faithful Abraham, to me this is the grafting in.

    I seem to remember something specific in those three chapters 9-11, but I'll have to review.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I think Satan's first sin was envy when he realized God was planning to make us, the mud people to become like Him, and the devil thought he should be the one.

    Not them! Not the mud people! I will ascend into the heavens. I will be like the Most High. Not them!

    Just a thought . . .

    Much love!
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Yes, when Jesus comes.
     
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    The Great Tribulation is smack dab in the middle of the Second Coming week. Wednesday, Satan is allowed to split the week in half. The last 3.5 days are the 3.5 days the two witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem.

    That week is in April 2023AD. The 14th of Nisan is the same day of the week in April of 30AD, a Wednesday, the Atonement was completed. Jesus Christ died as the Lamb. Satan wants it to be all about him, and what he can do. God suffers the world so Satan can prove he will never be God. The same day God redeemed the World to Himself, 14th of Nisan, in the middle of the glorious Second Coming week, Satan will get his Great Tribulation.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    So then if no gentiles are saved, who are the sheep?

    Much love!
     
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    It is after the Millennium and after the second resurrection. The sheep are the righteous. You and I will be there too.
     
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    Who are the "nations" that Satan leads in rebellion to go up to the "camp of the saints" per Rev.20 during Christ's future Millennial reign, since the supposed second resurrection doesn't happen until afterwards when the books are opened?

    The latter part of Zechariah 14 also gives an example of the still existing unsaved nations with those families of the earth that refuse to come up to Jerusalem year to year to worship The King, The LORD of hosts, and keep the feast of tabernacles.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    To be judge righteous or not by our works? That doesn't seem right.
     
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    That is after the Millennium as Satan has been chained in hell for that 1000 years, then released. It is then that Satan with evil nations got up to the camp of the saints.
     
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    You may not be able to understand it according to your own personal belief regarding works. Has that verse ever challenged your belief enough to seek further truth on the matter, and what works of the flesh your pet verses are actually speaking of? Say, circumcision.
     
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    Jesus taught to religious Jews, and His own disciples living amongst religious Jews. Sheep and goats pertain to his disciples and religious Jews.

    Revelation 7 says 144K Jewish male virgin disciples during a short period of time will once again teach religious Jews amongst a world of lost Gentiles. Jesus' ministry will be among many religious humans. The church is in the temple of God, not on earth. Read Revelation 7. It is given as a guide to who does what during the 7 Trumpets. The last half of the chapter are those in robes of white. The sons of God in glorified bodies. Putting on robes of white is described by Paul in multiple scriptures. Putting on immortality as a change from mortal bodies. We are sons of God in Christ, but we do not have, sons of God bodies, until the 6th seal.
     
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    It's those nations that represent the "goats" on the left hand that Jesus separates from His sheep per Matthew 25.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you are trying to say here.

    We are justified entirely through faith in Christ, having believed the message of the Gospel.

    What message will these sheep and goats hear, such that giving sustenance, comfort, and care to the Jews would show their faith?

    We are declared righteous in Christ. These will be declared righteous for having provided for the Jews.

    Much love!
     
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    And actually, according to the prophecy, it's when Jesus comes in power and glory at the close of the great tribulation.

    Much love!
     
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    I've heard this false idea before, something about the sheep of Matt.25 being righteous because of helping the Jews. That isn't what that Matt.25 Scripture is about at all. The "sheep" there represent Christ's Church, so HOW does one become one of Christ's Church and thus one of His sheep? By FAITH on Him, and not of works.

    Matt 25:34
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    KJV


    I really don't understand how any reader of God's Word could miss what Jesus said above about those "sheep", showing who they represent. Those to whom the kingdom has been prepared from the foundation of the world is about Christ's Church! (Ephesians 1:3-5).
     
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