Tribulation Trivia
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● Rev 20:13 . .The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and
Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged
according to what he had done.
Death and Hades are paired together in Rev 6:8 where death consists of
folks losing their lives by reason of war, starvation, fatal encounters with
wild things, plus other causes, e.g. accidents and common ailments, e.g.
cancer, stroke, heart attack, pneumonia, kidney failure, and diabetes, etc.
Hades is translated from a Hellenistic word for the afterlife where everybody
goes when they pass away regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious
preference: even Jesus spent some time there. (Ps 16:8-10, Acts 7:25-31)
In other words: folks in Hades are there in a non physical form for now but
later will be reunited with their bodies to face justice at the great white
throne event. This of course would include the folks whose bodies were
claimed by water, viz: the sea.
How many folks are we talking about? I don't really know because the
numbers will include everyone all the way back to Cain; and that was a
pretty long time ago. But just for fun; we'll say ten million.
Well, if each individual's judgment takes only thirty minutes each; we're
looking at 570+/- years of time in court to complete; and that's for only ten
million defendants. I'm guessing there will be considerably more people than
that seeing as Christ said many are called but few are chosen. In other
words: the majority.
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● Rev 20:13 . .The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and
Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged
according to what he had done.
Death and Hades are paired together in Rev 6:8 where death consists of
folks losing their lives by reason of war, starvation, fatal encounters with
wild things, plus other causes, e.g. accidents and common ailments, e.g.
cancer, stroke, heart attack, pneumonia, kidney failure, and diabetes, etc.
Hades is translated from a Hellenistic word for the afterlife where everybody
goes when they pass away regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious
preference: even Jesus spent some time there. (Ps 16:8-10, Acts 7:25-31)
In other words: folks in Hades are there in a non physical form for now but
later will be reunited with their bodies to face justice at the great white
throne event. This of course would include the folks whose bodies were
claimed by water, viz: the sea.
How many folks are we talking about? I don't really know because the
numbers will include everyone all the way back to Cain; and that was a
pretty long time ago. But just for fun; we'll say ten million.
Well, if each individual's judgment takes only thirty minutes each; we're
looking at 570+/- years of time in court to complete; and that's for only ten
million defendants. I'm guessing there will be considerably more people than
that seeing as Christ said many are called but few are chosen. In other
words: the majority.
_
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● Rev 20:14 . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
* When this comes to pass, Hades will be vacant seeing as how its contents
were all subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne.
FAQ: How does one put Death to death?
REPLY: This may be accomplished ceremoniously seeing as Death is on track
to be abolished. (1Cor 15:26 and 2Tim 1:10)
FAQ: According to Jonah 2:2, Jonah 2:6, and Luke 16:19-31, Hades is a
spirit world located somewhere deep underground. How will it be taken out
of the Earth and moved to the lake?
REPLY: Hades may be included in the ceremony suggested above; indicating
that never again will anyone be incarcerated in a place like that even though
a section of Hades is paradise-- but it's not an ideal paradise; there's a
better one.
● Rev 20:14-15 . .This is the second death. And whosoever was not found
written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
There's no coming back from the lake. If it's meant to abolish Death and
Hades, then I think it's safe to assume it's meant to abolish everything and
anybody else sent there. And besides; according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28
29, there is only one resurrection allotted per person which the dead will use
up in order to face justice at the great white throne event. In other words:
the second death is not only second, but also conclusive, viz: the dead's
names aren't in the book of life because as far as God is concerned, they
don't exist. I cannot imagine a worse situation in darkness than this.
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● Rev 20:14 . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
* When this comes to pass, Hades will be vacant seeing as how its contents
were all subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne.
FAQ: How does one put Death to death?
REPLY: This may be accomplished ceremoniously seeing as Death is on track
to be abolished. (1Cor 15:26 and 2Tim 1:10)
FAQ: According to Jonah 2:2, Jonah 2:6, and Luke 16:19-31, Hades is a
spirit world located somewhere deep underground. How will it be taken out
of the Earth and moved to the lake?
REPLY: Hades may be included in the ceremony suggested above; indicating
that never again will anyone be incarcerated in a place like that even though
a section of Hades is paradise-- but it's not an ideal paradise; there's a
better one.
● Rev 20:14-15 . .This is the second death. And whosoever was not found
written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
There's no coming back from the lake. If it's meant to abolish Death and
Hades, then I think it's safe to assume it's meant to abolish everything and
anybody else sent there. And besides; according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28
29, there is only one resurrection allotted per person which the dead will use
up in order to face justice at the great white throne event. In other words:
the second death is not only second, but also conclusive, viz: the dead's
names aren't in the book of life because as far as God is concerned, they
don't exist. I cannot imagine a worse situation in darkness than this.
_
Timtofly
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The GWT in Revelation 20 is outside of time and creation. It could take a second for all to happen or 10 million years, no? There is no referemce to time when it comes to the GWT. All that exists in that scenario is the GWT and the LOF. And the big debate is will the LOF have a beginning or end scenario? Having a beginning and end would involve time of some sort. God established time right away in Genesis 1. Will time be established as part of the judgment process? Who knows?
An educated guess over the range of 52,000 years states a total of 105 billion people have lived on the earth. It could be possible to have that many people born in the next 1,000 years. Obviously, humans today put evolution into the calculation, but probably get the same result as one would from Scripture. I would say there could have been 70 billion people on earth prior to the Flood. There was literally nothing to hinder growth prior to sin, and the earth prior to the Flood even with sin would have flourished way more than after the Flood changed the dynamics of both heaven and earth. Prior to the Flood it never rained. So no weather of any kind. No destruction from weather of any kind. No deserts void of moisture, no mountains with harsh living conditions. The earth was not even divided with continents prior to the Flood. And much less water, as most of the water before the Flood was above the firmament. Many today paint the world as bleak and totally destroyed prior to the Flood. Like thousands of years the earth was nigh uninhabitable. That is the total opposite of Genesis and God's account of creation.
Sorry, did not mean to derail the thread.
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After all is said and done-- the bowls, the seals, the trumpets, the great
white throne scene, and the new cosmos is ushered in after obliterating the
old, etc. --a couple of interesting announcements will be made.
1_ "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no
more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more
pain: for the former things are passed away." (Rev 21:4)
That is very good news because it would be difficult, if not impossible, for
folks in Heaven to be happy while knowing some of their loved ones, their
associates, and their BFF didn't make the cut and instead ended up on the
wrong side of things.
* I doubt the great white throne event will be a peaceful scene. I'd imagine
that people will be literally pale with terror, lips trembling, mouths too dry to
speak; screaming, shrieking, sobbing, bellowing and yelping like wounded
dogs-- eyes darting about looking for something, anything, to clutch and
cling to as the awful reality of their fate sinks in; and a powerful force they
cannot resist drags them off to a mode of death akin to a foundry worker
falling into a kettle of molten iron. I know of no one who would be happy
with memories like that haunting them.
2_ "Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile
continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him
who is holy continue to be holy." (Rev 22:11)
The people to whom those words pertain, will be stuck with who and what
they are with no chance of ever being any different.
That's good news for the righteous and/or holy because they'll never have
worry about doing something really stupid that results in their eviction from
paradise; whereas it's really bad news for folks who end up on the wrong
side of things because they will forever be unfit to be anywhere else except
the lake of fire.
_
After all is said and done-- the bowls, the seals, the trumpets, the great
white throne scene, and the new cosmos is ushered in after obliterating the
old, etc. --a couple of interesting announcements will be made.
1_ "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no
more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more
pain: for the former things are passed away." (Rev 21:4)
That is very good news because it would be difficult, if not impossible, for
folks in Heaven to be happy while knowing some of their loved ones, their
associates, and their BFF didn't make the cut and instead ended up on the
wrong side of things.
* I doubt the great white throne event will be a peaceful scene. I'd imagine
that people will be literally pale with terror, lips trembling, mouths too dry to
speak; screaming, shrieking, sobbing, bellowing and yelping like wounded
dogs-- eyes darting about looking for something, anything, to clutch and
cling to as the awful reality of their fate sinks in; and a powerful force they
cannot resist drags them off to a mode of death akin to a foundry worker
falling into a kettle of molten iron. I know of no one who would be happy
with memories like that haunting them.
2_ "Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile
continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him
who is holy continue to be holy." (Rev 22:11)
The people to whom those words pertain, will be stuck with who and what
they are with no chance of ever being any different.
That's good news for the righteous and/or holy because they'll never have
worry about doing something really stupid that results in their eviction from
paradise; whereas it's really bad news for folks who end up on the wrong
side of things because they will forever be unfit to be anywhere else except
the lake of fire.
_
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Says who?
Jesus said He is coming after the Tribulation = Matthew ch24
Prophet Daniel says that the Antichrist will rise before the LORD's Second Coming.
Apostle Paul said the same as the Prophet Daniel - 2 Thess ch2
Apostle John said the same as the Prophet Daniel - 1 John ch2
JESUS confirmed all of the above in His Revelation.
Don't waste time believing false teaching/prophecy such as 'pre-trib rapture'.
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That's his coming to the ground when all the world views his arrival. In
contrast: Christ remains aloft during the extraction spoken of in 1Thess
4:13-18 when only his follower's eyes see him.
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That's his coming to the ground when all the world views his arrival. In
contrast: Christ remains aloft during the extraction spoken of in 1Thess
4:13-18 when only his follower's eyes see him.
_
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
That is His Second Coming for there will only be one, just as He said, the OT Prophets said and the Apostles said.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Here is a Tribulation Trivia Question for you?
From the Prophet Daniel chapter 9, what week was Messiah "cut-off and reconciliation for sin made"?
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● Rev 1:1 . .The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
servants-- things which must shortly take place. And he sent and signified it
by His angel etc, etc.
The Greek word translated "shortly" tells us that the events depicted in the
book of Revelation will be completed within a relatively brief space of time.
The Greek word translated "signified" basically refers to indications: in this
case, I'd say they can be safely understood as a succession of red flags. In
other words; nobody knows the exact day nor hour of Jesus' return to rule
the world, but the events depicted in the book of Revelation will serve as
early warnings to alert folks that the time has come-- sort of like the act by
act synopses used by folks interested in operas like La Bohème, Hamlet,
Madam Butterfly, Porgy and Bess, South Pacific, and Don Giovanni.
If folks stuck in the Revelation era use John's letter like that; they'll have a
pretty good idea when to expect Jesus' arrival; and begin preparing
themselves for it.
Speaking to his Jewish countrymen in Luke 21:28-36, Jesus said:
"When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads,
because your redemption is drawing near."
He told them this parable:
"Look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they sprout leaves, you can see
for yourselves and know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these
things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near."
And then he said:
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all
these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my
words will never pass away."
"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation,
drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you
unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face
of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able
to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand
before the Son of Man."
FAQ: "this generation" passed away long ago and yet none of those things
ever happened. Why not?
REPLY: The Greek word translated generation is somewhat ambiguous. It
can refer to a current population, and also to a nation and/or an era. For
example: there was a generation before the Flood, there's the generation
between the Flood and Christ's return, and there will be another generation
after that called the regeneration. (Matt 19:28)
_
● Rev 1:1 . .The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
servants-- things which must shortly take place. And he sent and signified it
by His angel etc, etc.
The Greek word translated "shortly" tells us that the events depicted in the
book of Revelation will be completed within a relatively brief space of time.
The Greek word translated "signified" basically refers to indications: in this
case, I'd say they can be safely understood as a succession of red flags. In
other words; nobody knows the exact day nor hour of Jesus' return to rule
the world, but the events depicted in the book of Revelation will serve as
early warnings to alert folks that the time has come-- sort of like the act by
act synopses used by folks interested in operas like La Bohème, Hamlet,
Madam Butterfly, Porgy and Bess, South Pacific, and Don Giovanni.
If folks stuck in the Revelation era use John's letter like that; they'll have a
pretty good idea when to expect Jesus' arrival; and begin preparing
themselves for it.
Speaking to his Jewish countrymen in Luke 21:28-36, Jesus said:
"When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads,
because your redemption is drawing near."
He told them this parable:
"Look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they sprout leaves, you can see
for yourselves and know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these
things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near."
And then he said:
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all
these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my
words will never pass away."
"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation,
drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you
unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face
of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able
to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand
before the Son of Man."
FAQ: "this generation" passed away long ago and yet none of those things
ever happened. Why not?
REPLY: The Greek word translated generation is somewhat ambiguous. It
can refer to a current population, and also to a nation and/or an era. For
example: there was a generation before the Flood, there's the generation
between the Flood and Christ's return, and there will be another generation
after that called the regeneration. (Matt 19:28)
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