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True Human Being?

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Invisibilis, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. Taken

    Taken Well-Known Member

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    A Thing CREATED out of the ELEMENTS Of the Earth and Born on his (Earthly) habitat, and MADE ALIVE by the POWER of God.

    It depends on what STAGE of Growth, Knowledge, Wisdom and Understanding the individual Person has obtained.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Jesus said "I am the first and the last".
     
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    Why did eating an apple make them knowledgeable? I think they hid their sexual parts for a reason, or are they still feeding you the children's story?
     
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    Invisibilis Well-Known Member

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    Whether I know or not does not invalidate my question to you if you know what it is like to be a True Human Being.
     
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    Invisibilis Well-Known Member

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    • No conjecture. We are talking about 'Being', which is under the so-called worldly category of metaphysics (other than physical).
    • The criteria to a response is faith in what you know is true.
    • Truth is sufficient.
     
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    Invisibilis Well-Known Member

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    The first answer also points to 'being', or inner Being - spirit of God within the human body. This part 'knows' the Truth. If it were allowed, by our power of choice, to take the place of 'self', then we would be living the way of life Christ was talking about.
    The second answer points to worldly knowledge gained through our own thoughts and feelings, but not by faith of what we know is true.
     
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    Yes, and that is the way.
     
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    Yes, it made them knowledgeable instead of simply 'knowing' the truth. Truth precedes thoughts and feelings, however, knowledge dictates that thoughts and feelings precede Truth - which is a falsehood.

    Hiding their sexual parts points to the outcome of self based knowledge of what gives them pleasure instead of Truth. Their new concepts of truth, love and faith change from unconditionality to self-imposed conditionality. They became self-centered instead of God-centered. Their reference point in life shifted from honesty to dishonesty, from harmony to disharmony.
     
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    A similar thing occurs in language, where in broken pigeon "talk-talk", simply means "talk."

    Likewise, "hu" means "God", and in the end of understanding (that God is represented as male, as the man in a male/female marriage), so does "man" also mean "God." In other words, "human" means: "God-God."

    Thus, to answer your question...to be a True Human Being, is to have Oneness with God.
     
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    Thanks ScottA.
    So what is it like to have Oneness with God?
     
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    Very well said!
     
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    I don't know for sure if someone must know evil first before they know good but Adam and Eve didn't know they were naked until they disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the tree of KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL....so reason it our for yourself but in my reasoning they didn't have knowledge of good or evil until their eyes were opened to see.
     
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    It is like a parent who feels their child's joy, pain, etc..
    It's like a spouse who finds themselves saying "we" rather than "I."
    It's like not having an opinion.
    It's like a sane person who talks out loud as if to no one there.
    It's like always having hope, love, peace, and joy.
    It's like never being alone.
    It's like knowing.
     
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    Thank you ScottA.
     
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    If you look at Christians, apart from their weakness (sinful flesh), you will see a "True Human Being." However, if you look even closer you will see Jesus walking on this planet today, in those same "True Human Beings." His spirit resides in Christians. I see Jesus most days, at church, at work and even at Harris Teeter. If I am home alone I just look in the mirror and look past my flesh and see Jesus also. Christians are indwelled by the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ. We, Christians, are his vessels.


    The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!
    Eternity is a Very long Time!
    Satan Loves Distractions and Wants Christians To Just Die!!
     
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    Also very well said!
     
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    Its called sarcasm
     
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    No, sorry jshii, you will never see Jesus by looking at a Christian. Whether one looks past the flesh or not, for, it is not the flesh that is sinful, but the heart can be, as God created everything good.
    In other words, the only reason that Jesus said, '...to see me, is to see the Father...', is because they were one in spirit (not ontology). One in spirit, in the same way that Jesus exhorted us all to become one with them, in the same way that they are one.
    So, until a Christian can make that claim, you won't see Jesus by looking at a Christian. You might see faith or hope, or some semblance of righteousness, but not Jesus, ...maybe a John Knox or Paul Bunyan, etc, but definitely not Jesus.
     
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    Why
     
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    Believe what you would like. But I stand firm in knowing that the Lord Jesus Christ dwells in my Heart and in My Mind. Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you. God’s purpose for us is nothing less than Christlikeness.

    The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!
    Eternity is a Very long Time!
    Satan Loves Distractions and Wants Christians To Just Die!!
     
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