True Israel is Alive and Well.

[Israelsson]

I was drawn to study among the CI The pastors appear to lack tteh fruit of the spiritual and a brotherly love..
Just question most anything they say and your gone, kicked, you will be mocked and ridiculed which isn't much different from my experiences with Jews of Judaism,.

One thing to study is the CI use of the word Goy. I believe they misuse the word Goy to represent only Hebrew peoples.
the scripture points out that Jovan was early Greece.
CI claims the Greeks were all Hebrews.

Corinthians and Macedonians were different than Greeks though all were definitely White.
Paul said those in Corinth were his relatives, whose Fathers was with Moses in the desert and baptized in the Sea. (Below)

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

Ci claims all White people were Hebrews. I disagree. Ham and Jovan were White.
Jovans Greece was White. Hams kin ruled early Egypt and was White long before Arabs assimilated and mixed in creating a different looking people..

King TUT


The above image was created by three separate teams of scientist, an Egyptian, French and American team who all agreed.that Tut was Caucasian.

the three teams created a similar looking bust using a replica of King Tuts skull
the Egyptians gave the finishing touch and a darker tone with a more modern Egyptian appearance.
I gave him a two different modern hair do's.


It is believed that the Famous Tut died between 18 and 20 years old from a infection to a broken leg.



the Gauls were called Celts by the Greeks and they lived in Galatia around the black sea area after they were freed from the Assyrian's, the Hebrews relatives.
The Scythes and Sarmatians also were near the Black sea and only showed up after Israel had been freed from Assyria.

Judah was allied with Assyria and had influenced the Assyrians to capture the upper tribes.
Babylon rose up in Assyria, took over and freed the 10 northern tribes.

the Scythes came down and helped the Babylonians capture the Judaeans and some settled in Beth Shan which was called Scythopolis by the Greeks. Scythes Revenge?
The Scriptures says that Idumeans(Esau) moved in to Hebron at this time and plundered the cities of the Judaeans and they remained there.


They told the real Israelties not to come there because God had given them this land to their inheritance.. which was a lie

"Son of man, thy brethren, the men of thy Kindred, and all of the House of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants (JEWS) of Jerusalem have said, "GET YOU (ISRAEL) FAR FROM THE LORD; UNTO US (JEWS) IS THIS LAND (JUDEA) GIVEN IN POSSESSION." (Ezekiel 11:15)

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I don't know how you can come to such a conclusion as a Christian.
He who has the Father has the son.

The people of Israel are mostly anti-christ.

I have to agree with you about many pastors in CI being totally opposed to any "new doctrine" they come across. It is my contention that since the people are the Church, and not some building that should be called a temple rather than a 'church', that it is up to us to study ourselves, work WITH one another, and help OUR PEOPLE to understand through the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. But, that is impossible in todays world as most Christians, in both secular churchianity AND CI, are caught up in vanity.

Those in CI often get lifted up in spirit falsely because they have a little nugget of truth! And the judeo crowd only gets tangled more and more in a world of deception.

Also, I agree that not all whites were Hebrews. Adam had MANY sons and daughters, and looking at the real history of the world only proves that MANY people were White. The early Syrians were White, Ishmaels early sons were as well. Cain had descendants, and he was Able's twin brother! So just being White doesn't necessarily place one in 'the chosen' group. I feel that the Gentiles in scripture, are the 'other' whites OUTSIDE of Israel.

Glad there is at least ONE person that is on my page

Yah bless

 

[tim_from_pa]

While I believe in lost tribes theology, and they migrated to Europe, these are mostly from the 10 tribes (and some from the southern Kingdom). However, I do not ascribe to the theory that the modern day Jews are not from Judah, or I should say the part of Judah left behind in Jerusalem after Assyria took the rest into captivity.

Prophecy did not demand that Christ be born in a foreign land, which is why some of his kin returned to the land of Israel so that Messiah was born in his own land. The books in the OT describing the returned exiles have no shortage of genealogies and a direct statement these were from Judah and Benjamin. (Ezra 10:9) But Jesus' own kinsmen refused to believe in Him. (John 1:11, Mark 6:4). I won't doubt mixed marriages and foreign influence, which was a problem Ezra pulled his hair and beard out over, but undoubtedly, the Jews that returned, and into Jesus' time originated from a core of Judah.

Those Jews exiled after Christ kept the Saturday Sabbath, which was a sign of God's people according to the Scripture, thus kept their identity. Most importantly, they kept the feast days at the appointed times, something I doubt that God would entrust an impostor Gentile with, just as God did not entrust the gospel to non-Israelite Gentiles, but to the lost house of Israel --- his covenant was with Abraham and his seed, not impostors.

The feasts are important, and because the Jews were exiled from their land and could no longer watch the moon from Israel to commence their months just as their ancestors did back to the dawn of time, they made an accurate algorithm to calculate the months and at least to keep the feasts at their proper times in the Diaspora. The calendar was lunar bound by the seasons (ripening of the barley). They studied and preserved the Torah. Without modern Judaism, me thinks the Christian world would be all messed up and totally misunderstand the bible without careful preservation and study, because the lost tribes did not keep the sabbaths or the feasts, and that would have been lost if nobody observed them at their proper times. And the feasts are God's entire prophetic timeline of things to come regarding man's redemption.

 

[TheWarIs1]

I have to agree with you about many pastors in CI being totally opposed to any "new doctrine" they come across. It is my contention that since the people are the Church, and not some building that should be called a temple rather than a 'church', that it is up to us to study ourselves, work WITH one another, and help OUR PEOPLE to understand through the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. But, that is impossible in todays world as most Christians, in both secular churchianity AND CI, are caught up in vanity.

Those in CI often get lifted up in spirit falsely because they have a little nugget of truth! And the judeo crowd only gets tangled more and more in a world of deception.

Also, I agree that not all whites were Hebrews. Adam had MANY sons and daughters, and looking at the real history of the world only proves that MANY people were White. The early Syrians were White, Ishmaels early sons were as well. Cain had descendants, and he was Able's twin brother! So just being White doesn't necessarily place one in 'the chosen' group. I feel that the Gentiles in scripture, are the 'other' whites OUTSIDE of Israel.

Glad there is at least ONE person that is on my page

Yah bless

Ishmael is the Father of Arabs many claim. I don't know but Ishmael was half Semite and so was Esau.



Gen 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

Elam = Elamites became Persians and Aryans got the name in early Iran. Iran = Aryan
Asshur = Assyrians
Aram = old Syrians & Aramaeans
Arphaxad = Abrahams/Hebrews line
Lud went North near Aram in Syria and Turkey.

The demographics have changed greatly with many Arab invasions.

the Medes were from Japeth as well as many early Greeks.

 

[TheWarIs1]

While I believe in lost tribes theology, and they migrated to Europe, these are mostly from the 10 tribes (and some from the southern Kingdom). However, I do not ascribe to the theory that the modern day Jews are not from Judah, or I should say the part of Judah left behind in Jerusalem after Assyria took the rest into captivity.

Prophecy did not demand that Christ be born in a foreign land, which is why some of his kin returned to the land of Israel so that Messiah was born in his own land. The books in the OT describing the returned exiles have no shortage of genealogies and a direct statement these were from Judah and Benjamin. (Ezra 10:9) But Jesus' own kinsmen refused to believe in Him. (John 1:11, Mark 6:4). I won't doubt mixed marriages and foreign influence, which was a problem Ezra pulled his hair and beard out over, but undoubtedly, the Jews that returned, and into Jesus' time originated from a core of Judah.

Those Jews exiled after Christ kept the Saturday Sabbath, which was a sign of God's people according to the Scripture, thus kept their identity. Most importantly, they kept the feast days at the appointed times, something I doubt that God would entrust an impostor Gentile with, just as God did not entrust the gospel to non-Israelite Gentiles, but to the lost house of Israel --- his covenant was with Abraham and his seed, not impostors.

The feasts are important, and because the Jews were exiled from their land and could no longer watch the moon from Israel to commence their months just as their ancestors did back to the dawn of time, they made an accurate algorithm to calculate the months and at least to keep the feasts at their proper times in the Diaspora. The calendar was lunar bound by the seasons (ripening of the barley). They studied and preserved the Torah. Without modern Judaism, me thinks the Christian world would be all messed up and totally misunderstand the bible without careful preservation and study, because the lost tribes did not keep the sabbaths or the feasts, and that would have been lost if nobody observed them at their proper times. And the feasts are God's entire prophetic timeline of things to come regarding man's redemption.

James 1:1 says all 12 tribes were scattered abroad.


Some of the OT tells how the Edomites lived below Judah and David fought them for years.
John Macrabee fought them and conquered them. He then erred greatly when he converted them to the religion of Judah at that time, which was NOT Judaism.
Read Macrabees which has been tossed out by many.. The enemy don't won't us to know the truth.

John converted the Edomites who went along with this even though it was forbidden for an Edomite to enter the congregation of the Lord.
These Edomites gained power in Judea and started a new religion for they were incapable of being Gods chosen or allowed in the congregation of the Lord.
King Herod was a Idumean JEW and helped subdue John Hycranus who fought the Helenization of Judea and later wanted to take back power from the Edomites Jews.

The mixing or assimilation of Judah with Edom occurred just a short time before Christ was born.
He knew full well what had happened and had nothing good to say about those of the synagogue of Satan. Who has synagogues?
Rev 2:9 & 3:9


The battle of the two houses.
Syria was allied with Israel against Judah.
Ahaz of Judah got their Assyrians allies to help them.


Babylon took Judah captive and during this time the scripture says that the Idumaeans moved to Hebron and helped force Judeans to Babylon and they plundered all Judea and remained there. Years later some Judeans returned to their old home that was filled with Idumeans.



"Therefore, thus saith the LORD GOD, surely in the fire of my Jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all IDUMEA, WHICH HAVE APPIOINTED MY LAND INTO THEIR POSSESSION, with the joy of all their heart with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey (price)."


"Son of man, thy brethren, the men of thy Kindred, and all of the House of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants (Idumeans) of Jerusalem have said, "GET YOU (ISRAEL) FAR FROM THE LORD; UNTO US IS THIS LAND (JUDEA) GIVEN IN POSSESSION." (Ezekiel 11:15)


Esau vowed to kill Jacob in order to get his inheritance back when he realized what he did. Prophecy
The prophecy is being fulfilled today when Esau's kindred stole the land of Israel.
Many modern Ashkenazi Jews admit that they were not related in any way to the Hebrews.
Some Jews admitted to Chirst that they knew nothing about the slavery in Egypt, proving that they were not of Judah.
Judahs kin would certainly remember that like the Holocaust of WW2.
Christ and John the Baptist called them offspring of Vipers and Christ called them liars from the beginning associating them with Cains seed who murdered all the prophets including the first one Abel.
Sons of the Father of all lies, Christ told them that they weren't of Abraham or they works of Abraham they would do.


Some Judeans were mixed in and Christ reached a few but the other Idumeans are the Tares Christ mentioned that sneaked in unaware.
Christ knew Judas was a devil form the beginning. He was an Idumean Jew, a Tare. the only one from below Galilee.
Escarius was a place in Edom below Judea.

Christ told the apostles to go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Christ told Paul to flee Judea for it wouldn't do him any good there.


Herod was chief of the Idumean Jews and sought to kill every new born son in order to eliminate the son of God.


The is the greatest mystery and deception in the bible and will amaze you when you discover the hidden truth.


Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
We should ask the question, "how have we been deceived?"


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quotes from modern Jews:.


Under the heading of “A brief History of the Terms for Jew” in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”

— 1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3 (the writer is obliquely referring to the true history of the Eastern European Ashkenazim, or Khazars).

Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23:
"JEWS BEGAN IN THE 19TH CENTURY TO CALL THEMSELVES HEBREWS AND ISRAELITES IN
1860".


"Edom is in modern Jewry." —The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol.5, p.41

 

[tim_from_pa]

Well, I never said there was no mixing, but there were Judeans (of Judah) at Christ's time. I'm not sure any society can be racially pure, as the lost tribes mixed themselves as well amongst the people. Some Jews of the "synagogue of Satan", even if they weren't true Jews, does not conclude that ALL of them therefore were not Jews, as even his own people (kindred) did not receive Jesus, either.

Again, I would be curious if most Jews today are impostors (those you said that were not Jews comprise 90% of Judaism), why the Lord God would allow impostors to keep His Law, the best example being the feasts celebrated at the appointed times? True Gentiles would not care for the feasts, and if they did, would mess them up somehow (e.g. keeping them at the wrong time) by introducing traditions of men.

A good example that even Israel did (not Judah) was to keep the feast of Tabernacles one month later in the 8th month on the 15th day of the moon at full moon. My other thread briefly dealt with this and where I believed the Celtic people obtained Halloween from. I would imagine Edomites or whoever else would mess it up even worse. But that's not what I'm seeing with modern Jews.

And to sum up what I'm saying: what I see happening is that the lost house of Israel kept the grace part of the covenant, and Judah the Law part. I cannot imagine either one or the other being carried out by someone other than Abraham's chosen seed.

 

[TheWarIs1]

Well, I never said there was no mixing, but there were Judeans (of Judah) at Christ's time. I'm not sure any society can be racially pure, as the lost tribes mixed themselves as well amongst the people. Some Jews of the "synagogue of Satan", even if they weren't true Jews, does not conclude that ALL of them therefore were not Jews, as even his own people (kindred) did not receive Jesus, either.

Again, I would be curious if most Jews today are impostors (those you said that were not Jews comprise 90% of Judaism), why the Lord God would allow impostors to keep His Law, the best example being the feasts celebrated at the appointed times? True Gentiles would not care for the feasts, and if they did, would mess them up somehow (e.g. keeping them at the wrong time) by introducing traditions of men.

A good example that even Israel did (not Judah) was to keep the feast of Tabernacles one month later in the 8th month on the 15th day of the moon at full moon. My other thread briefly dealt with this and where I believed the Celtic people obtained Halloween from. I would imagine Edomites or whoever else would mess it up even worse. But that's not what I'm seeing with modern Jews.

And to sum up what I'm saying: what I see happening is that the lost house of Israel kept the grace part of the covenant, and Judah the Law part. I cannot imagine either one or the other being carried out by someone other than Abraham's chosen seed.

I understand what you're saying. We may never know the truth of this matter til Christ comes.
The Ashkenazi converted to Judaism the phony religion in I believe 800ad. They've been studying the feast and all the celebrations for many years.

"My sheep hear my voice and they follow me"

I believe Christ actually called many real Judaites out of Judea in his day.

There is so much wickedness in the Ashkenazi Jew group just like that of Edom.
They seek to destroy anything to do with Christianity and our culture.
They fit the "sons of perdition" idea.

Then there are those that come out of Judaism and convert to Christianity.

Can a tare become wheat? Or once a tare always a tare?
It's all going according to his plan. Without the enemies of the cross as Paul put it, Christ would not been the sacrifice for all men.

 

[Israelsson]

Obviously you been reading the wrong books I ve heard all this junk before its not biblical its of men
so believe what you like its nothing more than anti semitic mens twisting history
Ill believe Gods word you can believe what you like but Judah holds the scepter always ....Joseph the birth right
and Judah is in the land of Israel of Today /God declares it . He declares he will bring them back to their land and he did in 1948

Now men declaring Israel of today is not Judah are following their own hearts ..
The entire bible from gen. to Rev. tells of this diving of 10 and two so quoting a few verse out of context with out understanding the whole of Gods plan from the beginning is folly of men.

It's nothing more but a glorified version of replacement theory and a definition of a theory is a thing that can not be proved only implied

I have no intention of re-explaining the entire plan of God to you when you obviously have your mind made up in the words of men

JACOB'S SEED DIVIDED INTO TWO KINGDOMS

When Boaz took Ruth the Moabitess for a wife, the people who were assembled prayed for her, saying: "The Lord make thee like Rachel and like Leah, which two did build the house of Israel." The fact that these two women, as the wives of Jacob, were the builders of the house of Israel, would of necessity divide the im­mediate household of Jacob into two families. Hence the pertinency of the question: "Considerest thou not the two families which the Lord hath chosen?" (Jer. 33:24). futher more God uses the Terms Israel and Judah nearly 200 times in scipture if that doesnt tell you they are two seperate houses I dont know what to tell you

"The Sceptre shall not depart from Judah, ect." Gen. 49:10. "For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him comes the chief ruler [prince]; but the Birthright is Joseph's," 1 Chron. 5:2.



read a real history if your truly interested
http://reluctant-mes...sceptre_101.htm

Couldn't it be that England is Judah? For several 100 years, England OVER all of his brethren, including all of Europe, Australia, South Africa, and even the early colonies of America.

You still didn't provide ANY scripture where we are told JEWS are Gods chosen, being of the tribe of Judah would make one a Judahite, not a Jew. The Jews we know today are Canaanite and Edomite, nothing to do with Israel whatsoever.

 

[tim_from_pa]

Couldn't it be that England is Judah? For several 100 years, England OVER all of his brethren, including all of Europe, Australia, South Africa, and even the early colonies of America.

You still didn't provide ANY scripture where we are told JEWS are Gods chosen, being of the tribe of Judah would make one a Judahite, not a Jew. The Jews we know today are Canaanite and Edomite, nothing to do with Israel whatsoever.

You are replying to a person who no longer posts by that name. But I will take up for her where she left off. I already quoted two scriptures (one stated by Jesus himself) two previous posts ago that the Jews in Jesus time were his own kindred. Again, I understand that foreigners may creep into some lineages, but the base of the people in Jesus' time were Judahite. What is there not to understand about the scripture verses that are clearly stated, not an allegory, not parable, but stating a fact? It would take quite a bit of song and dancing around them to make them say something else.

Then.... in the Diaspora, they kept their sabbaths and feast days (as do the Jews today) at the proper times which links them to the same people. God's Word said that the sabbath was the sign between his people and Him. From what I know about Canaanites and Edomites, they would have no desire to carry on traditions of the same people they spoil. If it were not for the Jews, I would not know about the feast of Rosh Hoshana coming at New Moon next week. That feast, amongst the others Paul stated were shadows of things to come, and Jesus will again (as he did in the gospels) do his work at the times of the feasts. You certainly would not get that insight from a Canannite or Edomite.

 

[TheWarIs1]

(Ezekiel 36:5)
"Therefore, thus saith the LORD GOD, surely in the fire of my Jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all IDUMEA,,WHICH HAVE APPIOINTED MY LAND INTO THEIR POSSESSION, with the joy of all their heart with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey (price)."

"Son of man, thy brethren, the men of thy Kindred, and all of the House of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, "GET YOU (ISRAEL) FAR FROM THE LORD; UNTO US IS THIS LAND (JUDEA) GIVEN IN POSSESSION." (Ezekiel 11:15)
Psa 137:7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

Just before Christ time John Hyrcanus a real Judean converted the same people of Edom after conquering them. *read Macrabees. (Another book stripped from Protestant bibles)
These Edomites assimlated an perverted the Laws of Moses with the teaching of the elders.



Have you ever read the Jewish Talmud or Talmud Balvi?
Nothing about them suggest they are righteous or children of Yahweh.
Blasphemous people who deny the son of the most high and insult his Mother.

Jews are the ones who won't spell out his name yet the scriptures told us the name of our Lord and told us to use his name. "we are those Called by his Name" but we shouldn't use the name?
The word they use is generic and they remove the middle letter. > G_d
They influenced many Christian translators with their bad theology causing bad translations.

In Hebrew/Aramaic you could insert a vowel, any vowel. So G_d could mean god, gad gid, ged,
God could mean any deity.

Gad was the Canaanite deity of Fortune that Edomites would have served since Esau married some Canaanites..



Yahshua and John the baptist both called large groups of Scribes, Pharasees & Sadduces "offspring of Vipers"
IF any weren't offspring of vipers they would be in violation of the law?
They wouldn't be a nice thing to call your own people considering you are of the same offspring.

I believe the real Judeans were pushed aside as Idumaeans took over. Christ did call out a group of believers in Judea.
King Herod and his son were proud Idumaean Jews who ruled the land according to scriptures.


1 Chr 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
(KJV)
Kenites are Cains seed. The offsrping of Vipers.

It was forbidden for these to enter the congregation of Yahweh. Judeans forgot the laws. John converted many Edmoites to a law but they perverted it later on as they gained prominence..


Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
(LITV) How do you say, We are wise, and the Law of Jehovah is with us? Behold, the lying pen of the scribes has certainly worked deceit.


When Chirst was taken to Pilate, Pilate said this man is not a Judean but a Galilean.
Galileans, Samarians and Judaeans were worlds apart Jews hated those above Judea.
Galileans even spoke a different dialect that was noted in scripture.. You could tell where they were from by their words.

I believe JEWs have influenced many things we believe today including which book we choose as canonical.

How about the book of Tobit?
JEWs have never liked the book yet it was found in the Quamran caves in every version.
Catholics and Orthodox still use the book. Protestants were influenced to omit the book.

who would not like the Tobit?

Tob 4:12 Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father's tribe: for we are the children of the prophets, Noe, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: remember, my son, that our fathers from the beginning, even that they all married wives of their own kindred, and were blessed in their children, and their seed shall inherit the land.

Edomites would despise the above scripture for they couldn't inherit the land.
Edom was known as the border of wickedness.



Whor-Edom = Whoredom
Coincidence? lol

 

[TheWarIs1]

Psa 137:7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
Psa 137:8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
Psa 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Notice Edom and Babylon all lumped together above.

What do Edom, Jews, Synagogues, merchants, Babylon have in common?
they are all part of the Revelation of John.


Edom, Babylon the end times Whore, false religion and the synagogue of Satan are all mixed together.

Jews are huge merchants and always have been in control of Usury which is forbidden in scriptures and enslaves people.
This is one huge reason our country is in such a mess today.


The Merchants are the Jews of the Babylonian religion with their Babylonian Talmud and their synagogues of Satan. Rev 2:9 & 3:9
Christ urged his people to come out of her.


>>> Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Harsh really harsh... There is the solution.

Does God really loves everyone?

 

[Israelsson]

While I believe in lost tribes theology, and they migrated to Europe, these are mostly from the 10 tribes (and some from the southern Kingdom). However, I do not ascribe to the theory that the modern day Jews are not from Judah, or I should say the part of Judah left behind in Jerusalem after Assyria took the rest into captivity.

Prophecy did not demand that Christ be born in a foreign land, which is why some of his kin returned to the land of Israel so that Messiah was born in his own land. The books in the OT describing the returned exiles have no shortage of genealogies and a direct statement these were from Judah and Benjamin. (Ezra 10:9) But Jesus' own kinsmen refused to believe in Him. (John 1:11, Mark 6:4). I won't doubt mixed marriages and foreign influence, which was a problem Ezra pulled his hair and beard out over, but undoubtedly, the Jews that returned, and into Jesus' time originated from a core of Judah.

Those Jews exiled after Christ kept the Saturday Sabbath, which was a sign of God's people according to the Scripture, thus kept their identity. Most importantly, they kept the feast days at the appointed times, something I doubt that God would entrust an impostor Gentile with, just as God did not entrust the gospel to non-Israelite Gentiles, but to the lost house of Israel --- his covenant was with Abraham and his seed, not impostors.

The feasts are important, and because the Jews were exiled from their land and could no longer watch the moon from Israel to commence their months just as their ancestors did back to the dawn of time, they made an accurate algorithm to calculate the months and at least to keep the feasts at their proper times in the Diaspora. The calendar was lunar bound by the seasons (ripening of the barley). They studied and preserved the Torah. Without modern Judaism, me thinks the Christian world would be all messed up and totally misunderstand the bible without careful preservation and study, because the lost tribes did not keep the sabbaths or the feasts, and that would have been lost if nobody observed them at their proper times. And the feasts are God's entire prophetic timeline of things to come regarding man's redemption.

Have you ever read any of the Talmud? Its perverted, and to be quite honest, its satanic in origin. Our faith has nothing to do with Judaism whatsoever. You are correct that a small group of the tribes of Benjamin and Judah returned to Palestine, but anyone adhering to Judaism is NOT of our brethren. Judaism gets its roots from the Babylonian captivity, and if you study into the Jewish literature available, you will see that they twist the Law of Moses to fit their own vile premises.

In the Jewish Encyclopedia, the Jews themselves claim to be from Edom. Any bible student should know that Edom was created by Esau, Jacobs brother. Esau was a race mixer(fornicator) and that is why he lost his birthright, because even after hearing Yahweh command them to not marry a Canaanite(Cains descendants), the serpent seed, and he does anyway.

The "Jews" of today are by no means Judeans, and talmudic Judaism is far, far, far, from Christ. And since they have never accepted Christ, they certainly cannot be included in His flock. And we know to be accepted into the kingdom, one must choose to live for Christ. (There is a difference here between saying you believe, and actually applying the Word to your life.)

There is a lot of proof that those 'wonderful' people were responsible for the WTC attacks on 9/11, just so they could get America involved in a war in the middle east. I just don't see the connection. That is my biggest problem with british-israelism, it typically claims that the enemies of Christ are among His sheep while admonishing the Germans as being the ancient Syrians.

 

[tim_from_pa]

Seems some people here are antisemitic. Or maybe from these Identity movements? I'm of the Old School of British Israelism. The Jews are Judah, and if some Edomites and whatnot tried to mix, well whoopty doo. Some bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch. And let's leave 911 and the WTC out of the conversation please lest we start looking like flakes.

Here's an article that demonstrates excellently what I am trying to convey:

http://britam.org/judah.html#1

Notice he says the same thing I do, i.e. one of the proofs that the Jews are Judah is because they keep the Law according to Scripture prophecy, and as I said the feast days at their proper times. I fail to see the logical connection of impostors keeping the Laws of God if they did indeed displace the real Judeans--- not to mention is a treasonous belief against God for choosing Gentiles to do what He prophesied Judah to do. Frankly, I'm not sure impostors are smart enough to even keep the Law properly. But I celebrate the feasts the same time the Jews do. There is nothing that can prove that wrong by the Scriptures.

 

[Israelsson]

Saved of some 38 years. I am a Christian. Jews are not sons of Ham......... Name 10 Christian nations! Go ahead: do it. The nation is either Christian or it isn't! Period. Can you name 10 nations who say their God is Jesus Christ our Lord.

Quit crawfishing and name them. Do you believe in the speaking stone? Drawing the sword from the sacred stone? The claim on the Stone of Scone? If so, what color was it? Mulitple choice: Red White Black Yellow Brown

I think the question should be, name ten nations that were FOUNDED as Christian! Of course these places aren't Christian any longer, thanks to the Zionist Jews that are working in the very governments of these world powers.

I still have seen no proof myself, whether scriptural or visible in the world to day that prove the jews to be anything better than satanic. Could someone please tell me how many nations the jews have ever had? how many jews actually LABOR? What is this holy land, 'Israel', doing for us as Christians, and how can you justify a people that HATE our savior?

Seems some people here are antisemitic. Or maybe from these Identity movements? I'm of the Old School of British Israelism. The Jews are Judah, and if some Edomites and whatnot tried to mix, well whoopty doo. Some bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch. And let's leave 911 and the WTC out of the conversation please lest we start looking like flakes.

Here's an article that demonstrates excellently what I am trying to convey:

http://britam.org/judah.html#1

Notice he says the same thing I do, i.e. one of the proofs that the Jews are Judah is because they keep the Law according to Scripture prophecy, and as I said the feast days at their proper times. I fail to see the logical connection of impostors keeping the Laws of God if they did indeed displace the real Judeans--- not to mention is a treasonous belief against God for choosing Gentiles to do what He prophesied Judah to do. Frankly, I'm not sure impostors are smart enough to even keep the Law properly. But I celebrate the feasts the same time the Jews do. There is nothing that can prove that wrong by the Scriptures.

But it is because of these Jews that WE forgot our Identity! For 2000 years they have been successfully convincing White Israelites that THEY are merely Gentiles... I was a follower of British Israelism for several years until I started seeing that all of this corruption and usury stems from the very people that BI wants to include as Gods people.

They don't keep any laws whatsoever, and the 'act' of holding the feast days is a facade. WE as WHITE ISRAELITES are to be upholding the law and the feast days. That is the fine line between British Israelism and Christian Israel Identity. I AM an Identist, and I praise Yahshua that He has selected us as the people to give understanding.

Remember that no man knows all truth, so I definitely don't claim to, but through working TOGETHER not against one another, truth will be sought out.







Classical Records of
Trojan-Roman-Judah




© William R. Finck Jr. 2007



In our Bible, at 1st Kings 4:31, the wisdom of Solomon was said to exceed that of several other men: “For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite (Zerahite), and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.” Yet the only other place in the Bible that these apparently great men are found is at 1st Chron. 2:6, where we learn that Ethan, Heman, Chalcol, Darda, and Zimri were all sons of Zerah, the son of Judah.
At Genesis 46:12 we learn that when Jacob went to Egypt, Zerah went along also, but no sons accompanied him. While he may have had a wife, or wives, with him (46:26), and Pharez had his own two sons with him, Zerah went to Egypt without children. Much later, during the Exodus, we see that descendants of Zerah were with the Israelites (Num. 26:20). Yet while the records of the census in the desert mention the tribes of the sons of Pharez (Num. 26:21), Zerah’s sons, who must have been notable men, are not mentioned individually.
Is it merely a coincidence that these names of Zerah’s sons, while appearing nowhere else in the Bible, do turn up in Classical Greek records? These men with whom Solomon was compared must have been great, and so why shouldn't we, not finding them in Hebrew records, look to the records of the “nations round about” for the deeds of these men? Of course we should, being told so many times elsewhere that Abraham’s offspring would become many nations. Where is the affirmation of the promise, and the foundation of our Christian Faith, if we find it not in history?
In Greek literature, Dardanos is the founder of the settlement in northwest Anatolia which became known as Troy. Its principle city was known by two names, Ilios (or Ilium) after Ilos, and Troy after Tros, both said to be descendants of Dardanos (cf. Strabo, Geography,13.1.25). Homer confidently gives a genealogy from Dardanos down through Ilos and Tros and several other generations unto Priam, king of Troy when the city was destroyed by the Greeks. The larger district around Troy became known as the Troad, and the Greeks claimed that the walls of the city were built by the sea god Poseidon (Diodorus Siculus, Library of History,4.42.1-3).
Throughout Homer and later Greek literature the Trojans are called Dardans (or Dardanians), after Dardanos, but sometimes Homer mentions Trojans and Dardans together, distinguishing the Dardans of Troy from those who dwelt elsewhere. We are told that the Lycians are Dardans (i.e. Strabo 10.2.10 where the geographer cites Homer), and that Dardans are also found among the Illyrians (Strabo 7.5.1, 6, 7). From Homer’s Iliad, Book 2, it is clear that Dardans dwelt in other towns throughout the Troad.
Both Herodotus (7.91), and Strabo who quotes him (14.4.3) tell us that Pamphylia, the district on the southern coast of Anatolia, was a colony founded by Kalchas, who was a Trojan. Kalchas was also considered to be a wise man and a prophet by the Greeks (Strabo 14.1.27).
If Dardanos is not Darda, and if Kalchas is not Chalcol (in the LXX Chalcad at 1 Kings 4:31, but Kalchal at 1 Chron. 2:6), then why does the Bible mention these men, as if they were men of renown, without telling us who they were? And where did Dardanos the Trojan come from when he founded the colony which became Troy?
Now some may object and claim that the Trojans were but Phrygians, as the Greek tragic poets such as Euripides and Aeschylus called them. Yet Homer never called them such, and neither did other earlier writers. Homer did name Phrygians and Thracians among those who aided in Troy’s defense (Iliad,Book 2), and Strabo notes this error by the tragic poets (12.8.7).Rather, the geographer tells us of the territories held by the Phrygians before the Trojan War, and that they weren’t in the Troad, and that the Phrygians were a division of the Thracians (7.3.2-3; 10.3.16; 12.4.5; 12.8.4; 14.5.29). While the Adamic-Israelite-Trojans may have had intercourse with, even may have intermarried with, the Adamic-Japhethite-Thracians (Tiras, Gen.10:2), not being able to avoid that prophecy found at Genesis 9:27, the Trojans surely were not Phrygians.
Here it is necessary to discuss some of the other nations of the eastern Mediterranean, starting with the Cretan, or “Minoan” civilization. There is a clear connection between Crete and the Troad when place names are compared. Strabo makes this comparison in his Geography at 10.3.20, where he cites in common not only the name of the famous Mount Ida, also a mountain in Crete, but also names such as Dicte, Pytna, Hippocorona and Samonium.
The Cabiri, or Cabeiri, were ‘gods’ worshipped among the Pelasgi in Samothrace (called Samos by Homer and “in earlier times” – Strabo,7.49), an island off the coast of the Troad, as discussed by Herodotus (2.51, 3. 37). George Rawlinson notes in his translation of Herodotus at 3.37 that “The Cabiri were Pelasgic gods”, to which E. H. Blakely, editor of the Everyman’s Library edition published by Knopf, adds: “[The word is connected with the Semitickebîr = great. – E. H. B.]”. Dardanos was later credited with (or blamed for) bringing the worship of the Cabiri from Samos to Troy, where they were identified with the Idaean Dactyli of Crete (Strabo, 7.49, 50).
In his History of the Peloponnesian War Thucydides, writing of the earliest times, states that by the Carians and the Phoenicians “were the greatest part of the islands inhabited” (1.8). Herodotus says that the Carians were originally called Leleges and dwelt in the islands, from which they were later driven by Ionians and Dorians to settle on the mainland (1.171), although varying accounts are also supplied by the historian. At 1.171 Herodotus also states that the Carians are related to the Lydians (the Shemitic Lud of Gen. 10:22 and Isa.66:19). While Strabo says that the Lycians are Dardans (10.2.10),Herodotus says that they too came from Crete, a colony led by Sarpedon the brother of Minos (1.173), but claims that they were named after an Athenian (7.92). Yet Strabo gives a differing account of Sarpedon, related below.
While Strabo connects the Cilicians to both the Trojans (13.1.49, 58; 13.3.1) and to Syria(13.4.6), and also to cities in Pamphylia (14.4.1) whom he calls “Trojan Cilicians”, Herodotus states of the Cilicians that they “bore anciently the name of Hypachaeans, but took their present title from Cilix, the son of Agenor, a Phoenician” (7. 91). Rawlinson adds a footnote here: “The Cilicians were undoubtedly a kindred race to the Phoenicians”. It must be noted that Homer called the Danaans “Achaeans”, and here we see the Cilicians called “Hypachaeans” in early times. Cadmus “the Phoenician”, legendary founder of the Thebes in Greece, was also called a son of Agenor, and was said to be the brother-in-law of Dardanos (Diodorus Siculus, 5.48.5).
Strabo states that “the Leleges and the Cilicians were so closely related to the Trojans” (13.3.1), and that the Cilicians were settled in the Troad before they colonized Cilicia (13.4.6), and that Homer puts Cilicians in the Troad along with the Dardans (14.5. 21). Of the Pamphylians, whom we have seen are related to the Trojans, Strabo states “But the Pamphylians, who share much in the traits of the Cilician stock of people, do not wholly abstain from the business of piracy”(12.7.2), for which the Phoenicians in early times were also renowned. The Carians dwelt in and around Miletus, of which Strabo says: “Not only the Carians, who in earlier times were islanders, but also the Leleges, as they say, became mainlanders with the aid of the Cretans, who founded, among other places, Miletus, having taken Sarpedon from the Cretan Miletus as founder; and they settled the Termilae in the country which is now called Lycia; and they say that these settlers were brought to Crete by Sarpedon, a brother of Minos ...” Herodotus called the “Greek” philosopher Thales of Miletus “a man ... of Phoenician descent”(1.170). Strabo debates the identification of the Leleges with the Carians, but explains that they inhabited the same territory together, and also that Leleges inhabited a part of the Troad, from which they were driven after Troy’s fall (7.7.2). Carians, including men of Miletus, and Lycians are mentioned by Homer among Troy’s defenders (Iliad, Book 2).
The Minoans themselves were said to have spread west to Sicily (Diodorus Siculus 4.79.1-7, Strabo 6.3.2), and Cretans founded Bottiaïs in Macedon (Diodorus 7.16.1, Strabo 7.11) and Brentesium in Italy (Strabo 6.3.6), among other places. Strabo says that “In earlier times Knossos was called Caeratus, bearing the same name as the river which flows past it.” Caer, or Car, is from a Hebrew word meaning “city”(i.e. “Carthage” is from the Hebrew for “new city”). Another river on Crete, the Iardanos, has a name much like the river of Palestine, the LXX spelling for which is Iordanos.
So in the earliest accounts we find, while those accounts contain some variations, that the Trojans, Leleges, Carians, Cilicians, and Phoenicians are all related, and also all have some connection to ancient Crete, a land famous for its bull-worship cult (cf. Exodus 32; 1 Kings 12:28; 2 Kings 10:29;17:16; Apollodorus, Library,3.2.1). Much later, during the Trojan Wars, Homer places the Dorians on Crete (Odyssey, Book 19), some time before they invaded Greece. Crete is where a great number of Linear B inscriptions have been found, which represents an early Greek dialect, and which is related to an early Cyprian dialect, for which see the Preface to the Revised Supplement(1996) of the 9th edition of the Liddell & Scott Greek-English Lexicon. It is quite apparent that Crete, and also to some degree Cyprus which was once subject to the Phoenicians of Tyre (cf. Josephus, Antiquities 9:14: 2 and Ezek. 27:6), were stopping points, or staging areas, where in early times the tribes of Palestine settled before moving on into Anatolia, Greece, and points further west.
Once it is realized that the ancient Phoenicians were the northern tribes of Israel, which the Bible and especially the LXX version reveals (see my essay Galilee of the Gentiles? for an introduction to this), and that the Trojans, related to the Phoenicians as explained in the Greek records, had descended from Judah through Zerah, the profound realities of Biblical prophecy begin to materialize.
“The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until shiloh come ...” (Gen. 49:10). Yet this statement was made perhaps 700 to 750 years before David, the first Judahite king in Israel, received the sceptre there for the Pharez line of Judah.
Strabo says of the Trojans that they “waxed so strong from a small beginning that they became Kings of Kings” (12.8.7), and describes the Trojan royal dynasties which ruled over all the related peoples, including the Carians, Lycians, Mysians, Leleges and Cilicians (13.1.7). Even in the defeat of Troy, the Trojans were considered a noble race and Trojan princes true royalty. So it is evident that the Zerah line of Judah had kings much earlier than the Pharez line.
Virgil’s Aeneid tells a story of how the Trojan prince Aeneas, after Troy’s fall, led a large colony of Trojans to what is now Italy, founding a settlement called Alba Longa. These people later became known by the name of that settlement's most famous city, Rome. While Virgil’s poem contains an anachronistic sub-plot, a romance between Aeneas and Dido of Carthage (who actually lived over 300 years after Troy’s fall, for which see Josephus’Against Apion), a romance which Virgil ended in enmity and probably contrived for political reasons, the general story of Aeneas’ migration was well accepted in antiquity. Since according to Homer the Lydians were allies of Troy (Iliad Book2), and the Etruscans of Italy claimed to be a colony of Lydians (Strabo 5.2.2, Herodotus 1.94, Tacitus’ Annals of Rome 4.52 ff.), such a migration is quite plausible, Alba Longa having been just south of Tuscany in Italy.
Strabo tells us that the migration of Aeneas is “a traditional fact”, along with the diaspora of other Trojans (3.2. 13), and discusses such at length in several places in his Geography (6.1.12, 14; 13.1.52, 53 et al.). He also relates the descent of Julius Caesar from Aeneas, as did Virgil, and how Alexander the Great also claimed descent from Trojan princes, though he inferred that Alexander’s claim is not as well supported (13.1.27). Although much of Diodorus Siculus’ Book 7 is lost, chapter 5 (in the Loeb Library edition) was preserved in Eusebius’ Chronicle, where Eusebius repeated Diodorus’ account of the Trojan migration and settlement in Italy under Aeneas, and the descent of the family of Julius Caesar from that Trojan prince. Eusebius certainly accepted the account by Diodorus, who he says “gathered in summary form all libraries into one and the same clearinghouse of knowledge” (Diodorus Siculus, “Fragments of Book VII”, Loeb Library, 7.5). The Romans legitimized their rule over the οἰκουμένη by their descent from the noble Trojans, claims recognized even in the Middle Ages.
In Medieval times the Trojan princes were considered to be legitimate, rightful rulers, and noblemen sought to connect themselves to the houses of those princes in order to legitimize their own positions. So in the reign of the Merovingian kings: “Frankish pride in their own achievement bore fruit in Dagobert’s reign in the emergence of the tradition that the Franks were descended from the Trojan royal family, and were thus equal to the Romans” (The Oxford History Of Medieval Europe, pp. 88-89). Yet while Roman claims had the full support of history, such Frankish claims do not. More credible are the claims concerning the kings of the Britons, and Virgil relates that they too were a colony from the Trojans of Italy, though the Greek historians do not state as much. Diodorus Siculus does tell us of the British that “they use chariots ... even as tradition tells us the old Greek heroes did in the Trojan War” (5.21.5), and Strabo says “for the purposes of war they use chariots for the most part, just as some of the Celti do” (4.5.2). This was learned when Caesar invaded Britain, which both Diodorus and Strabo are referring to.
Many ignorant skeptics claim that Troy didn't exist at all, pointing to the want of remains found at Hissarlik, the likely site of ancient Troy. Yet they too ignore the classical writers. In Euripides’ play Helen, which portrays events in the aftermath of the Trojan war, the following dialogue takes place between the title character and the Greek hero Teucer: “Helen: Did you really go to the renowned city of Ilium, stranger? Teucer: Yes: I helped sack it but came to grief myself. Helen: What, has it already been destroyed by fire? Teucer: Yes: you cannot even see for sure the footprint of its walls.”(Euripides,Helen 105-108, Loeb Library, David Kovacs’ translation. The grief Teucer refers to is the loss of his brother Ajax.) Strabo calls the Troad “left in ruins and in desolation” even in his own time (13.1.1), and that of Troy “no trace of the ancient city survives; and naturally so, for while the cities all around it were sacked, but not completely destroyed, yet that city was so utterly demolished that all the stones were taken from it to rebuild the others” (13.1.38), and later quotes Lycurgus of Athens, a 4th century B.C. orator (specifically his Against Leocrates, 62) who said of Troy that “it was rased to the ground by the Greeks, and is uninhabited” (13.1.41). Why do modern ‘scholars’ complain that so little has been found at Troy, when we have a clear indication by the classical writers that there should be nothing left to find? The destruction of Troy was so real to the Greeks that writers such as Thucydides and Diodorus Siculus (i.e. 14.2.4,19.1.10, 20.2.3) dated the events in their histories in terms of the numbers of years from Troy’s fall, which would be 1184 B.C. on our calendars.
While the story of the noble Trojans may surely be continued from the records of the Romans, showing their connection to the Britons, and the settlement of the Milesians in Ireland, along with a closer examination of the Trojan diaspora in Greek records, it is not intended to do so here. It is only hoped that one realizes, that from the earliest dispersions of the children of Israel, that the sceptre certainly did not depart from Judah, and that while the coasts of Europe were first settled by Japhethites (Ionians, Rhodians, Thracians etc.), the children of Israel surely did inherit the οἰκουμένη (“world”), as the Bible promised. And this is only a small part of the story!
The verity of these ancient historical accounts may be ascertained with an inspection of both Old Testament prophecy and New Testament testimony. Dan. 9:25 dates the coming of “Messiah the Prince” for us, which is Yahshua Christ. Dan. 9:26 tells us that after the crucifixion, the “people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city” (A.V.).The methods of the translators, in both the A.V. and the Greek of the LXX, show that from the earliest times men insisted that the “Prince” of v. 25 and the “prince” of v. 26 were two different persons, yet the Hebrew word is the same (#5057), and there is no grammatical compulsion for assuming that these are two different princes! Rather, it is evident that the translators themselves couldn’t conceive of how the Christ could have some other people from outside who would destroy Jerusalem, the “holy city” which they imagined to be inhabited by His people. Yet in reality, as is surely attested to in history and in the Bible, the true Israelite people of Yahweh were spread across the οἰκουμένη (inhabited world), and most of the inhabitants of Jerusalem left behind in 70 A.D. were of the Canaanite-Edomite Adversary: today’s jews.
The Romans, being descended from the Israelite tribe of Zerah-Judah, surely were the “people of the Prince” of Dan. 9:26, who Paul wrote would “crush Satan” under their feet (Rom. 16:20), i.e. destroy the Canaanite-Edomites of Jerusalem. Paul knew the Romans were Israel, and told them as much throughout his epistle to them. This is especially apparent at Rom. 1:21-26, which could only be spoken of Israelites, the only nation who knew Yahweh (i.e. Amos 3:2; Mic.4:5). He also told them at Rom. 2:14-15, where “Gentiles” should be “nations”, and the statement is a direct reference to Psa. 33:12-15; 40:8; Isa. 51:7; Jer. 31:31-33; Ezek.11:19-20; 36:26-27, which can be spoken of no one but Israel. Paul further indicated that the Romans were Israelites at Rom. 2:22-29 (cf. Deut. 10:16; Jer. 4:4); 4:1, 12, 13-18; 5:6,10-11; 7:1-6 (cf. Jer. 3:1, 8; Hos. 2:2); 8:14-17 (cf. Deut. 14:1); 9:1-13, 21-29 and elsewhere. Paul was not, as the ‘church’ supposes, redefining Israel, styled today as “replacement theology”, for Paul was addressing Israelites, not the ‘church’!

www.christogenea.org William Finck is a scholar that we NEED today. Please visit his site if you at least believe that the 10 northern tribes of Israel became Caucasians.

sorry that text is so small, didn't realize until after the post.

And by saying that a few bad apples won't spoil the bunch is contradictory to scripture. A little leaven leavens the entire lump 1Corinthians 5:6

 

[Israelsson]

Unfortunately there are a lot of 'tares' sown in Christian Identity, and these people really cause the truth to be cast aside out of fear of association. The bible is a book about Race, from stem to stern, and to refute that is anti-Christian. Our faith has been ONLY for Israelites, it is not universal. God wanted His people to be separate and perfect in their generations. This means, that a mamzer(bastard) cannot enter into the congregation of the Lord til the 10th generation. So by having just one drop of non Israelite blood, you WILL NOT be allowed to enter the kingdom.

That being said, we know just by looking at the Jews, that they are a mixed race of people. Their features are very different from an Israelites, while we have straight noses, light eyes, fair skin, and many other racially distinctive characteristics, the jew is very malformed. Remember that Cain was given a mark that all would recognize him by. If they are so mixed up, then they cannot be part of Gods kingdom, as they go against His law.

Many jews today are Khazars, adopting Judaism around 700 AD only to avoid conversion to Christianity. Mostly of turkish decent, there is a lot of Mongol blood in their veins, along with Edomite, Esau, whom God HATED, and a plethora of other racial bloodlines. They are the tares, and WILL be cast in the furnace.

 

[tim_from_pa]

They don't keep any laws whatsoever, and the 'act' of holding the feast days is a facade. WE as WHITE ISRAELITES are to be upholding the law and the feast days. That is the fine line between British Israelism and Christian Israel Identity. I AM an Identist, and I praise Yahshua that He has selected us as the people to give understanding.

Ok, let's just start with this simple concept I've emboldened. If that is so, what's the date of Passover coming in 2012 and also 2013 (Nisan 14)? I won't be super precise, probably within a day will suffice.

God wanted His people to be separate and perfect in their generations. This means, that a mamzer(bastard) cannot enter into the congregation of the Lord til the 10th generation. So by having just one drop of non Israelite blood, you WILL NOT be allowed to enter the kingdom.

What an abysmally ignorant crock. Well, unless you're sure to your 10th generation, I guess that probably leaves you out. Even with all my genealogical research to the founding of this nation, I can never be certain there is no drop of other blood in my family, either. I guess you ought to really tear out the book of Ruth while you are at it, too. Oh, and that disqualifies Jesus for that matter, too.

Again, with the feast days you seem to be totally oblivious to the purpose of the feast of Tabernacles, the reigning of Christ and His saints over the world, and salvation offered to all mankind. Abraham's seed are to inherit the world this way.

 

[TheWarIs1]

Unfortunately there are a lot of 'tares' sown in Christian Identity, and these people really cause the truth to be cast aside out of fear of association. The bible is a book about Race, from stem to stern, and to refute that is anti-Christian. Our faith has been ONLY for Israelites, it is not universal. God wanted His people to be separate and perfect in their generations. This means, that a mamzer(bastard) cannot enter into the congregation of the Lord til the 10th generation. So by having just one drop of non Israelite blood, you WILL NOT be allowed to enter the kingdom.

That being said, we know just by looking at the Jews, that they are a mixed race of people. Their features are very different from an Israelites, while we have straight noses, light eyes, fair skin, and many other racially distinctive characteristics, the jew is very malformed. Remember that Cain was given a mark that all would recognize him by. If they are so mixed up, then they cannot be part of Gods kingdom, as they go against His law.

Many jews today are Khazars, adopting Judaism around 700 AD only to avoid conversion to Christianity. Mostly of turkish decent, there is a lot of Mongol blood in their veins, along with Edomite, Esau, whom God HATED, and a plethora of other racial bloodlines. They are the tares, and WILL be cast in the furnace.

while it's true a mamzer could not enter the congregation til after the tenth generation. It's also true that many couldn't enter into the Holy of holies except a Levitte preist.
NO one knows who the true Levittes are anymore since the records were destroyed in the Temple in 70ad.
Most Jews or Messianic Jews won't take up a tithe since no Levittes are around to collect the tithes. Only a descendant of Aaron and Moses could collect the tithe.
We got other churches everywhere taking up a tithe that isn't even biblical while Jews don't take tithes.

Well now when Christ was crucified the Veil was torn that separated the temple and kept out non-Priest from the Holy of Holie's.
Now that the veil was torn apart everyone is allowed to enter the holy of holies.

ON the PDF of Finct he mentioned Romans being old Israelites.. But there was a mix of peoples there.
Scripture did teach Hebrews to keep their blood lines pure. They often didn't.

I believe Christ bloodlines was pure which seems to be important as the 2nd Adam. Even Smoh(Solomon) had Edomite wives. He took wives from everywhere. It was his downfall, they turned him to Paganism for while. BTW, Solomon was not the name of David son and has Pagan written all over the name. Sol-om-on honors the sun god in 3 languages.

Italy and surrounding countries have a mix of diverse peoples. Very different people.




Now that Yahweh sent Israel into all the world and would be spread out among the beast of the field and every race without much word on remaining pure I can't understand how he would expect the lost tribes to remain pure. Could that only been important for Christ lineage?
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IF Noah had 3 sons, they were all the same color. Yet they were not all of Abraham or part of Israel.
the bible called Greece by the name of Jovan,, of Japeth

You got Finct and James saying Greeks were Isrealties.
I know Corinthians and Macedonians were of Hebrew origins but not all Greeks were of Israel.

if Japeth's seed were pure Japeth why would that not qualify as pure Adamic?

Italy was not known for Blonde headed, blue and green eyed people til the Celts moved in the north of Italy. Over 90% of the world has dark hair and dark eyes.
If they were all related then it only makes sense that these old Romans would have the same hair and eye color.
There are also not many true blond or Blue eyed people among modern Jews.
Some JEWs have written of their hatred for Blond headed people.

There are many holes in Finct and James teachings.

 

[Duckybill]

I think the question should be, name ten nations that were FOUNDED as Christian! Of course these places aren't Christian any longer, thanks to the Zionist Jews that are working in the very governments of these world powers.

I still have seen no proof myself, whether scriptural or visible in the world to day that prove the jews to be anything better than satanic. Could someone please tell me how many nations the jews have ever had? how many jews actually LABOR? What is this holy land, 'Israel', doing for us as Christians, and how can you justify a people that HATE our savior?

But it is because of these Jews that WE forgot our Identity! For 2000 years they have been successfully convincing White Israelites that THEY are merely Gentiles... I was a follower of British Israelism for several years until I started seeing that all of this corruption and usury stems from the very people that BI wants to include as Gods people.

They don't keep any laws whatsoever, and the 'act' of holding the feast days is a facade. WE as WHITE ISRAELITES are to be upholding the law and the feast days. That is the fine line between British Israelism and Christian Israel Identity. I AM an Identist, and I praise Yahshua that He has selected us as the people to give understanding.

Remember that no man knows all truth, so I definitely don't claim to, but through working TOGETHER not against one another, truth will be sought out.

Are you saying that only 'whites' will be saved? I've known several 'christian' identity believers. They were EXTREMELY racist. Every one of them.

 

[TheWarIs1]

To tim_from PA

JESUS WAS NOT A JEW !
Benjamin. H. Freedman, Ex-Jewish historian turned Christian – Researcher – Scholar


“Christians Duped By The Unholiest Hoax in All History, By So-Called Jews.
This is Considered Their Most Effective Weapon.”

“This ‘big lie’ technic is brainwashing U.S.A. Christians into believing that Jesus Christ was “King of the Jews”, in the sense that so-called ‘Jews’ today call themselves ‘Jews’. This reference was first made in English translations of the Old and New Testaments, centuries before the so-called Jews highjacked the word ‘Jew’ in the 19th A.D. century to palm themselves off on the Christian world as having a kinship with Jesus Christ. This alleged kinship comes from the myth of their common ancestry with the so-called ‘Jews’ of the Holy Land in the Old Testament history, a fiction based on fable.”

“U.S.A. Christians little suspect they are being brainwashed twenty-four hours of every day over television and radio, by newspapers and magazines, by motion pictures and plays, by books, by political leaders in office and seeking office, by religious leaders in their pulpits and outside their churches, by leaders in the field of education inside and outside their cirricular activities, and by all leaders in business, professions and finance, whose economic security demands that they curry the favor of so-called “Jews” of historic Khazar ancestry


Unsuspecting Christians are subjected to this barrage from sources they have little reason to suspect.

Incontestible facts supply the unchallengable proof of the historic accuracy that so-called “Jews” throughout the world today of eastern European origin are unquestionably the historic descendants of the Khazars, a pagan Turco-Finn ancient Mongoloid nation deep in the heart of Asia, according to history, who battled their way in blody wars about the 1st century B.C. into eastern Europe where they set up their Khazar kingdom. For some mysterious reason the history of the Khazar kingdom is conspicuous by its absence from history courses in the schools and colleges.

“The historic existence of the Khazar kingdom of so-called “Jews”, their rise and fall, the permanent disappearance of the Khazar kingdom as a nation from the map of Europe, and how King Bulan and the Khazar nation in 720 A.D. became so-called “Jews” by conversion, were concealed from U.S.A. Christians by censorship imposed by so-called “Jews”, of historic Khazar ancestry, upon all U.S.A. media of mass communications directed by them. Then in 1945 this author gave nation-wide publicity to his many years intensive research into the “facts of life” concerning Khazars. The disclosures were sensational and very effective but apparently angered so-called “Jews” who have continued to vent their spleen upon this author since then solely for that reason. Since 1946 they have conducted a vicious smear campaign against this author, seeking thus to further conceal these facts, for obvious reasons.

What have they to fear from the truth?

“In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New Yorks’s Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world’s greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject.”

Jesus was a ‘Judean’, not a Jew.

During His lifetime, no persons were described as “Jews” anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the “homeland” of the ancestors of those who today style themselves “Jews”. Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their “homeland”, and were known as Khazars. In neither of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a “Jew”, just as the term “Texan” signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called “Jews”, they have been unable to prove in all the recorded history that there is a record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew”. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews”, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhored and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”. .

Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Ex-Jew chess champion Bobby Fisher also came out against the lies of Jews.


jackbernstein.blogspot.com
Jack the ex-Zionist was murdered by Zionist for speaking the truth.
Read the truth from a Ex-Zionst Jew

 

[tim_from_pa]

The word "Jew" has its etymology in the word "Judah" just as I may call Joseph "Joe". I think there's this bias out there that the Jews today stole that word and are impostors so then the word is disqualified as being unbiblical.

Again, nobody really answered my questions as to why these so-called impostors keep the feasts? Why would the enemies want the punishments (prophesied in the bible) of the Judahites (if that word makes some people here feel any better?) Why would they suffer what the likes of Hitler did, for example?

Better yet, I'll ask a simpler question for those who do not believe the Jews are the real Judahites (which I did not receive an answer for yet). Don't even bother answering the first set of questions. What's the date of Passover 2012 and also 2013? That should be easy enough to answer, shouldn't it? Or are we afraid we have to ask a Jew or get Jewish information to get the answer?

Again, I think this is worth reposting:

http://britam.org/judah.html

 

[TheWarIs1]

The word "Jew" has its etymology in the word "Judah" just as I may call Joseph "Joe". I think there's this bias out there that the Jews today stole that word and are impostors so then the word is disqualified as being unbiblical.

Again, nobody really answered my questions as to why these so-called impostors keep the feasts? Why would the enemies want the punishments (prophesied in the bible) of the Judahites (if that word makes some people here feel any better?) Why would they suffer what the likes of Hitler did, for example?

Better yet, I'll ask a simpler question for those who do not believe the Jews are the real Judahites (which I did not receive an answer for yet). Don't even bother answering the first set of questions. What's the date of Passover 2012 and also 2013? That should be easy enough to answer, shouldn't it? Or are we afraid we have to ask a Jew or get Jewish information to get the answer?

Again, I think this is worth reposting:

http://britam.org/judah.html

The Ashkenazi converted in around 800ad.
They serve Judaism which is a bastardized religious harlot that pretends to follow the laws of Mose and the Hebrew celebrations.
Why wouldn't they e3njoy the festivities and celebrations?
It's sad that most Christians don't take part in real Israelite holydays.

Around the days of Christ there were many followers of Judaism the Whore just as Saul/Paul grew up with it.
There are probably some mixed in today though many of them may have already converted to Christ.
His Sheep know his voice.


Take a look see....
Teman, o'Teman listed on Wiki as Yemamite Jews the name Ottoman is believed to come from O'Teman.

Teman was derived for the word South.
Way down south in Yeman lives the Teman.
Teman was a Son of Esau. They don't deny this.
Many have moved up to Israel.

Obadiah had a vision of Edom. Read Obadiah closely.
Oba 1:9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
Edom was mentioned all throughout scripture as a enemy of God and Israel.
David said.


These people are fulfilling prophecy of Esau in his vow to steal back his inheritance.




Read this carefully.
Psa 137:7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
Psa 137:8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
Psa 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Edom is the daughter of Babylon.
David said it would make us happy to bash their children against stones.
They would solve most of the worlds problems. It is Edom that is Babylon today who have taken over our countries and promote global government..
These are of the syngagoues of satan.

Yahshua identified one of the 12 disciples as a devil, it was.Judas who came from below Judea.
The others were from Galilee or above.