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True Israel is Alive and Well.

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by ActionJackson, Nov 1, 2008.

  1. TheWarIs1

    TheWarIs1 New Member

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    The Jews claim Obadiah was a Edomimte. !!!
    Why would he have a bad vision about these wicked people if he was a Edomite?



    from Britam org:
    Judah to be known as "Judah" or "the Jew"
    (Genesis 49:10 Hebrew text):

    Jews label all Israelites as Jews. They confuse the meaning of Jew in every way.
    It is deliberate confusion. Jesus was known as a Galilean.

    No. Genesis says nothing about Jew. Jews was never mentioned til the 12th book of our scriptures.
    JEWs changed the order of books many years ago when it showed them in an unfavorable light.

    the book of Esther has nothing about God or Yahweh and mentions Mordecai as a Jew 50 times.
    the book of Esther was not found in any dead sea scrolls.


    That old devil has deceived the whole world.
     
  2. Israelsson

    Israelsson Israelsson

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    You misunderstand that the gospel was ONLY for the Israelites.
    Everything that is written in scripture is only for Jacobs descendants, it doesn't include anyone else. A careful study of the Word will show this. Beware of believing everything that you pastor may tell you. If your church is a tax exempt statue, 501(c)3, then it is telling you what the government(which is controlled by the Zionists in Israel today), wants you to learn.

    Do you think that you are a Gentile?

    The only reason I ask is that you look more like an Israelite to me by your avatar picture. Look up pictures of Jews and tell me if you look anything alike. The use of the word 'gentile' was to denote people that were of other nations. Since the bible is about The Generations of Adam Gen 5:1, then you can be sure that no one other than the Adamic people are included in Gods plan for salvation. Jacob was but one of many other White people, so through his family line are given the rank of kings and priests. But, God formed ALL Adamic people, its not like there was but one man and one woman in a garden of flowers and trees.
     
  3. Israelsson

    Israelsson Israelsson

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    My genealogical line is traced to 1572, to the coast of Wales. I know that my family is pure, as being that Yahweh has shown me truth. Those that aren't Jesus' sheep cannot hear His voice.

    As for the comment about Jesus not being pure, that is blasphemous to even imply... He was a perfect sacrifice that was known before the foundation of the world! His own genealogy listed in Matthew shows His bloodline, back to Seth, which is important being that Adam was White. That is what Adam means. I recommend that you tread carefully when you speak against Yahshua. He is my rock, and my everything, and He will be the judge of this age.

    Stick with your milktoast understanding of WHO Israel really is, the meat is in there, but you must study to show your self approved.

    And as for Nisan 14, that is the Month of April, the 14th day. The day will begin at sundown, as do all lunar calendar days. Im not ignorant like you seem to imply. You have a world view opinion of scripture, where if something doesn't fit into your personal dogma, then you refuse to accept something, even if it is truth. Even if FACT is provided.

    If i told you that the White race will be extinct by the end of this century if something doesn't change for the better? That is fact! Thanks to Jews and their promotion of miscegenation and sodomy, our once dignified people are reduced to a minority in a sea of people that only sought after OUR success.

    Like it of leave it brother.

    Yah bless
     
  4. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    If the white race is so special to God then why do you think He would let them become "extinct"?

    Numbers 12:1 (NKJV)
    1 Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
     
  5. TheWarIs1

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    That's a mistranslation. Cushite is the proper name.


    (JPS) And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.

    (LITV) And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses, because of the Cushite woman whom he had taken. For he had taken a Cushite woman.

    (YLT) And Miriam speaketh--Aaron also--against Moses concerning the circumstance of the Cushite woman whom he had taken: for a Cushite woman he had taken;
     
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    The rhetorical question "Can the Cushite change his skin?" in Jeremiah 13:23 implies people of a markedly different skin color from the Israelites, probably an African people; also, the Septuagint uniformly translates Cush as Αἰθιοπία "Ethiopia."

    http://en.wikipedia....ush_%28Bible%29
     
  7. Prentis

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    I am a gentile alright :lol:

    Maybe 0,1 % Jewish :lol:

    Even if I were a pure blood Jew, it would only be one more thing to leave behind that I might move on to attain Christ.

    Christ, by paying with his life, has broken down the middle wall of partition between Jew and Gentile. We are part of the kingdom if we follow him, the flesh gives advantage to none and profits nothing. It's one more thing to count as dung!
     
  8. tim_from_pa

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    You really ought to calm down a bit.

    But I only asked one simple question to be answered, and maybe I did not make myself clear. But I wanted to know the date of Passover. I wanted the Gregorian date (I did not make that clear apparently). You say it's in April, but what date? The 14th of April or were you referring to the 14th day in Nisan during April? You talk about milktoast understanding, but I would think you would have something as simple as the calendar squared away, right? :lol:

    Oh, and one other thing. Matthew's genealogy is a cursed lineage and is not Jesus' blood lineage. You really ought to go by Luke's genealogy if you really want to sound convincing about racial purity, but that's another subject perhaps at tea time. :lol:
     
  9. TheWarIs1

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    Whats wrong with Mathews genealogy which is an important connection going back to Adam?
    It is the lack off one generation and appears in some bibles to point to Joseph the adopted Father of Mary?
     
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    Kush again.

    to the Greeks the whole of the southern world from Africa to India was denoted by the word Ethiopia or Cush
    Cush was actually the name of two regions. One was in eastern Mesopotamia part of the Babylonian empire.
    Midian was believed to be in northwest Arabia on the east shore of the Gulf of Aqaba[sup] [/sup]and the northern Red Sea.


    Hab 3:7 I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction: and the curtains of the land of Midian did tremble.

    Midianites were of Abraham and Ketura. Shemites.

    Num 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law,
    Moses married a Midianite woman after he fled from Egypt to Midian.

    Moses would have violated the law by marrying an Ethiopian or Nubian.

    Cush was the name for two areas.

    Cush does not mean Black in Hebrew and has nothing to do with Nubians.
     
  11. tim_from_pa

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    Jeremiah 22:30 (speaking of Jehoichin and his descendants). Although this is the LEGAL lineage of King David.
     
  12. Israelsson

    Israelsson Israelsson

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    Thats just it, HE WON'T. The Israelites continually backslide AWAY from the truth of God. Rather they want to follow their own hearts and the doctrines of man. We ARE special, the very technology you are using to argue with me on this was developed by White men. The greatest nation in the history of the world is collapsing because the White man has been kept from the truth.

    As society changes, so does the hearts of men, political correctness and fear of being labelled cause most people to turn away from truth.

    If Jesus came to earth today to teach His message, the world would still HATE him. They would cling to their president who is a 'stranger', which is forbidden by Mosaic law, rather than accept His Word. That is why most people will not accept this teaching. It is now illegal in most places to commit 'hate crimes', but it is we, as Adamic people that are hated the most.

    You can see it everywhere today.

    And by the way, what is so wrong with saying that the White race is special? Its okay for blacks, asians, hispanics, jews, etc to be proud and acknowledge that they are special in their own right, even when scripture teaches contrary to that. Our heritage is great, and I will never acknowledge anything different.

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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Racemixing is Not Christian[/font]
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]by Pastor Mark Downey[/font]
    [font="'Times New Roman"]Christian Identity has restored one of the most prevalent issues found in the Word of God and that is the subject of race. However, in an attempt to bring forward the righteous corrections of faulty teachings, it is somewhat like revisionist historians dealing with the holocaust industry. Christian Identity does not enjoy the glut monopoly of merchandising information as does the establishment religions and media, although we do have a gift of discernment and an unwavering love for truth wherever it may lead. What we have been told about race in the Bible has been an unmitigated fraud to destroy us. What the Bible actually says about race will preserve us. We are like David standing up against Goliath having a wealth of encyclopedic facts to sanction the mixing of the races. This has been accomplished over a long period of time by contaminating the historical record and the Bible itself with disinformation.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]I have been called to task recently to prove the Christian Identity Truth (it is not a theory like evolution), and will do so from the Word/Law of God. A law, like the law of gravity, is not just a good idea or suggestion; it is an established foundation, absolute and infallible. Hence, the foundations of Creation and the purpose for which we are here become all important. I have been challenged to stand and deliver, not from the judeo-christian crowd, but from anti-Christian racialists. I would preface racialists by saying alleged.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]This issue of whether race mixing is advocated or prohibited in the Bible was prompted by a message I gave about "Why Some People Just don't Get It"; "it" being the identity of the White race in relation to the Bible. We live in a time when there is an increase of information. People can choose what to believe from so many sources, that the average person cannot read it all in their lifetime. So they depend on the marketplace of ideas of what makes sense to them. Preconceived notions and intellectual prejudices will always color what people select as their truth. This then becomes a reflection of what they are in life and what they give or take from their own race.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Putting forth the premise that race mixing is not Christian automatically prompts cries of foul from all quarters. But the division is basically two sided. When the Bible says, "Prove all things" it is quickly followed by the admonition to hold on to the good. In the eternal war of words we are warned that some people will turn good into evil and evil into good. If someone chooses to not only ignore the Bible, but to misrepresent it, it then becomes a matter of changing the truth of God into a lie. Who could that possibly be? It would be those who have made the wrong choice and have selected proof that is not good. For example, the jewish holocaust is riddled with false proof and yet some people accept it as fact. This produces evil consequences. If we reject and distort what the Bible has to say about race mixing, we likewise will suffer evil upon our society. That's exactly what has happened to our nation. The battle between good and evil determines blessings or curses.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]In seeking to determine what the Bible teaches, it is necessary to start at the beginning. Nobody can squirm around the basic premise of Adam and Eve being of the same race. I don't know of any versions that say they were the first two Orientals or Negroes. History depicts them as White. Christian Identity further identifies them by rightly dividing the word Adam, which means man. Strong's Concordance elaborates on this kind of man (#119, 120) being ruddy, to show blood in the face, i.e. to blush or turn rosy. From Thomas O'Brien's book "Verboten" we glean from his commentary that, "Even the ability to blush (show blood in the face) is confined to the White race. This is caused by your subconscious which only God controls, as He breathed His Living Spirit into Adam who passed it on to you, his White descendants. You are an infinitesimal projection of your Creator, so when you do or say something embarrassing, your subconscious rushes blood to your face. The colored races, not having been endowed with God's Spirit, have no abstract sense of right or wrong, consequently are never embarrassed." It is a misnomer to call other races or species mankind. In the book of Genesis, God's Law of kind after kind was established, meaning species. The Bible we have in our hands today repeatedly teaches about 'seed after its own kind' in which each and every species of plants and animals propagate within their own kind. In the case of Adamkind, it is clearly the White race. The Bible interprets itself by declaring that "This is the book of the generations of Adam" (Gen. 5:1). Generations means the genetic posterity. You can read more details in the article "The Adamic Creation".[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Let me give you a thumbnail sketch of the rest of Genesis as it pertains to race mixing. Obviously there were other races as we read about the first case of Adam's seed being polluted with Cain, a cursed murderer of his brother. Cain was purged from Eden and moved "east of Eden" (which would have been in and among the Mongolian people), to a non-Adamic land filled with non-Adamites. He then produced the first mongrel offspring named Enoch. From the time of Adam and Eve to the time of Noah, race mixing became epidemic, and God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth. This sin of race mixing is so serious that God killed the offenders. However, there was one man and his family that found grace in the eyes of the Lord, who was perfect in his generations; in other words, he was racially pure. The result of all this race mixing was corruption and violence (Genesis 6:11). The narrative establishes a paramount theme that runs throughout the Bible: race mixing is not Christian.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]There are indeed two manners of people in the world: those who remain racially pure and those who don't. The problem again arises with the twin boys, Jacob and Esau, fulfilling their separate destinies from the time of their birth. History also shows that whenever these people sought to integrate and intermarry, the results were always the same: violence, confusion and judgment from God. On the other hand, when they lived separately as God ordered, each respectively lived in harmony apart from each other. History also shows that whenever the racially pure offspring of Jacob failed to assume their God-mandated office of taking dominion and administering God's Laws, conversely allowing the offspring of Esau to occupy and determine the law of the land, there has been nothing but trouble, chaos and God's judgment. Destruction of White Christian civilization is the primary purpose of the jewish drive towards racial amalgamation. They know that it has always been White Christian society that has proclaimed liberty throughout the land and are the custodians of freedom. So in order to control the world, this element of God's Spirit must go to the grave in various forms of genocide. Historians and social engineers know that a mongrelized people is easier to control, because they have a deformed spirit and no identity. These destroyers of mankind know that every White civilization (and there have been some 25 of these civilizations in the sixty centuries of recorded history) that has practiced race mixing, has destroyed themselves from within. You want to talk about fairy tales? There has never been a great Black civilization in Africa and mongrels have never been able to rule their subjects justly. South Africa enjoyed White Christian apartheid until its Christian faith was undermined by antichrist distortions of the Word. It is now the murder capital of the world.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Esau would corrupt his racial line by marrying into another race, which was strictly forbidden. He took a wife of the Hittites which was "a grief of mind" to his parents. "And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan" (Gen.28:1). This command not to marry into another race was the same one given by Abraham concerning Isaac, where he told his son to find his wife in his country and among his kindred (his own kind). Deuteronomy 32:8 clearly states that God separated the races, "When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds [borderlines] of the people according to the number of the children of Israel." The White race at that time had their land and the other races had theirs. This verse tells us that there is a specific number of White Adamic Israelites to be born in order to fulfill the plan of God. How can any racialist complain about this kind of orderly separation?[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Throughout Scriptures we find that God's order in every realm has always been separation, selection and discrimination, while the enemies of God and the White race have always been integration, equality and tolerance. The surest way to prevent White people from achieving their manifest destiny is to prevent them from reproducing their own kind. The strategy of our enemy is to mix the races and produce what the Bible calls "bastards". The Hebrew word for bastard is "mamzer" and means a mongrel or half-breed. "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord" Deut. 23:2. Churches are full of smiling mamzers who are told the Bible says to mix. The propaganda we struggle against today is from those who misrepresent the Word of God and falsely identify who God's people married in the Old Testament times in an effort to justify race mixing. They do not have the Spirit of God, in which our body, the temple of God, facilitates the indwelling of God. Without a spirit-filled race, there is no possibility of White people fulfilling our purpose on earth. Fornication (which is race mixing) adulterates God's plan for the Ages. God does not dwell in a racially adulterated habitation. If you remove Christianity from the world, you remove God's law prohibiting race mixing.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]And then, alleged White men regurgitate this disinformation to trash Christianity as a whole. Are they without the intellectual integrity to take advantage of understanding the Holy Racial Bible of Adamkind? The above mentioned clues of our ancient people doing good or evil determines the racial identity with whom they married. The arguments of those opposed to Christian Identity can go on forever like a jewish lawyer. They usually take something so obscure in nature and distorted and pass it off as fact. Unless, a Christian man is well acquainted with this technique, he will be chasing down rabbit trails that do not persuade the antagonist in the long run. That's why I'm presenting a wholistic picture of race mixing from a Christian Identity perspective that even a school child can understand. Some people are too smart for their own good and it makes no difference whether you prove anything or not. They just don't get it. There is the possibility that they have family secrets buried in the woodpile (family tree), that cancel the Spirit, and therefore they cannot be of God and hence their antipathy towards the Divine.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]There is the usual litany of case histories which advocates of race mixing throw into the pot. Let us recall that Paul said, "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures may have hope" (Romans 15:4). In other words, we can learn the truth about racial questions from the Old Testament. No Christian who is at all familiar with the O.T. would or could be in favor of racial intermarriage, because it is forbidden and condemned in the strongest possible words. "And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them. Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thou daughter shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son… For thou art an holy people [a racially pure people]" (Deut. 7:2-3, 6).[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]But, we have a war of words between White Christians and mongrelized judeo-Christians, along with centuries of distorting the Word of God to imply a religion of universalism and inclusion that fits nicely into the New World Order of jewish communism. The antichrist racialists should stop and think about that for a moment before they start talking about jewish fairy tales, not only for their own sakes, but for the implications of our racial survival. Do we fail to recognize the perversion of racially adulterated churches and doctrines that sustain it? Or, do we take the racially conscious spirit of Christian Identity and discern the good from the bad racial issues based on the principles of God's racial laws?[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Race mixing is equal to racial extermination. The race war against White people is waged primarily by the most mongrelized people on the face of the earth…. Jews. For 2000 years they have been devising slow and fast, direct and indirect ways of death for our race. When those of our own kind willingly or unwittingly do the work of the jew by adulterating all knowledge of Jesus Christ and His Word of racial salvation, they become twice the child of hell than the scribes (media whores) and Pharisees (pulpit pimps). By eliminating Christianity, so too, must the true Israel manifested in the White race be removed from their devilish dream of a Pax Judaica - a world run by jews.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Please be patient when hearing or reading this message; anticipating an address to the Bible trivia questions in a pseudo college debate with anonymous internet experts spelling God with a small g. The explanations are secondary if we first don't understand biblical principles. If I were to just rattle off a pure Christian Identity response, it would be no different than tossing costly pearls into a mud pit of oinking pigs. The Bible says don't do that or they'll just snort and try to rip your leg off. Well, the Word also says be wise as serpents. I think that means be as cunning as your enemy. I've read that the Simon Weisenthal Center has a staff of some 80 full time rabbis monitoring hate groups on the internet and working their sorceries on Christian forums. For all I know, I'm not dealing with some punk 20 or 30 year old nerd who thinks he knows it all, but some fat bald headed Henry Kissinger type that plays religious head games like chess. Whoever it is that takes pleasure in denigrating the Word: be advised that God is not mocked. However you slice it, those who gleefully twist Scriptures to the detriment of our race will meet the same fate as those who impersonate Israel. By now, any honest person should recognize the bold principles of God's racial laws so that the context of any racial circumstance revolves around it being good or evil. One need not depend upon spurious sources that rationalize race mixing to know that race mixing is condemned by God. There is no debate. Race mixing is not Christian.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Let us now turn our attention to the foul stream of citations manipulated for the purpose of falsely interpreting something as race mixing. Let us chase the change agents out of our national temple without getting too muddy. The most popular exploitations are:[/font]​
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    • [font="'Times New Roman"]Moses was married to a Negro[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]Joseph was married to a Negro[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]The book of Ruth is a story of a mixed race marriage[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]The Ethiopian eunuch was an African Negro[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]Rahab was a Canaanite[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]All races evolved from Adam[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]Christ descended from more than one mixed-race marriage[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]Semites were a dark skinned race[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]All descendants of Ham were a dark skinned race[/font]
    • [font="'Times New Roman"]The bride in The Song of Solomon was a Negro[/font]
    [font="'Times New Roman"]There are many lesser used arguments, but the point of this listing is that they are all dead wrong. I'm not going to dive in head-first into this pigsty just to appease the sophistry of swine. I'm going to take the one at the top of the list, because it is the one most commonly used to convince simpletons that the Bible promotes race mixing. Common sense dictates that Christian racialists, such as myself and others, would not be of this persuasion if something as hypocritical as Moses marrying a nigger or Jesus was a jew or the more absurd notion that Christianity owes its existence to jewry were true. It is not only gratuitously insulting; it is the chutzpah of spiritual warfare. They say Moses was married to a Negro with a straight face and sprinkle a little bit of judaized information on this idea for confirmation. They create a controversy from Numbers 12:1 with one word… Ethiopian. With immaculate fidelity of scholarship (read sarcastically) they convey the idea that the Ethiopia of today is the same as it was 3,500 years ago. Why anyone would presuppose that demographics remain static over millenniums is mind boggling. But the edjewcational system today is well known for dumbing down the next generation. Kids can't locate California on a map. Please restrain your laughter and applause until I'm finished. You've heard the saying that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? Well, that's because it never gets beyond half-truths, which mislead and confuse. We often find defective scholarship in early translations which have become accepted as doctrine. Then someone comes along saying God is a fairy tale; and they're hostile to Christianity and they try to continue the curse of mistranslation. This is like giving a monkey a loaded gun. Christians should never allow non-Christians to teach them what the Word of God is all about. We know what it's about, and it's about race and keeping it pure.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Let's get back to Moses and his wife. "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married, for he had married an Ethiopian woman" Numbers 12:1. Any concordance, such as Strong's, translates "Ethiopian as being #3569, meaning "A Cushite [a resident of Cush], or a descendant of Cush." Who was Cush? Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japhet. Genesis 10:6 informs us that the sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan. Noah and his wife were both racially pure White people, so their children were naturally the same. Only Canaan and his descendants were cursed. The theory that Moses married a Negro is totally dependant upon the speculation that God's curse upon Ham turned him black: into a Negro. This is pure Talmudic fantasy to explain where blacks come from. The curse, according to the Bible, is that they would be servants to Shem and Japhet. We know from secular history that the black race was in existence long before the days of Noah. This does not mean that the Canaanites did not mix their seed. They did. Mizraimites (which means Egyptian) obviously settled in Egypt. We know from the Egyptian art of fine portraiture and sculpture that they were a White people until they eventually inter-married with non-Whites. The Cushites settled in two major areas. One was south of the Sudan in Africa and the other was in eastern Mesopotamia (where in times past was part of the Babylonian empire). Both areas were settled by White people, but of course the proximity to Negroes in Africa was a geographical reality. This land of Cush (in Mesopotamia) flourished about 1500 B.C., during the time of Moses. The exodus from Egypt occurred 1486 B.C. Please note that there is nothing in the Bible that suggests or even hints that Moses was in the land known today as Ethiopia or any other place where Negroes reside.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]"Now when Pharoah heard this thing [the slaying by Moses of an Egyptian (a White man) who was beating a Hebrew/Israelite (a White man)], he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of pharaoh and dwelt in the land of Midian" Exodus 2:15. Midian was a son of Abraham and his descendants became Cushites, living in the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates. They were racially pure White people. It was this time of Moses' exile that he married the daughter of the Priest of Midian. "He gave Moses Zipporah, his daughter, and she bore him a son" Exodus 2:21-22. There wouldn't have been any Negro priest in this land of Cush. His name Reuel means 'friend of God', and is sometimes referred to as Jethro and means 'his excellency'; a title of respect. Who, in their right mind, is going to believe that a Negro savage beast was the highest ranking priest (under the order of the Melchizedek priesthood) in an all-White society?[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]How silly to imagine that Moses violated God's Law by race mixing and married into the family of a Negro priest, which could only be the worship of a false god. How foolish and unlikely it is to suppose that this former Prince of Egypt, raised in the royal household of Pharaoh as an adopted son, knowing that the Egyptians considered the Negroes as wild animals to be killed on sight if found outside of their role as chained slaves working in the fields). and then, these men of disinformation presume that God would choose Moses to lead His covenant people out of bondage, even with the above violations to His law.[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]No, the son of royalty would not take a wife of the Negro Cush in Africa or anywhere else. At this time he learned the topography of the wilderness territory that Israel would soon be led into by him. It was while Moses was guarding the flocks of his father-in-law, God appeared to him in the burning bush at Mt. Horeb (which is not in Africa). This is when God gave Moses the commission to go to Egypt and set his people free. Once there, he taught them their proud heritage as God's people Israel and that they must keep their race pure. How could Moses have been one of the great heroes of faith, if he committed the abominable sin of race mixing that brought shame, disgrace and chastisement to the Israel people throughout their history? How could Moses have been chosen of God to oppose the false gods of Egypt after spending 40 years with a Negro family worshipping a false god? But there will be those who try to convince you that the square peg fits into the round hole. Are we to believe that God would bless Moses and his offspring to be workers in the tabernacle, when the Word states "a bastard shall not enter into the congregation"?[/font]​
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    [font="'Times New Roman"]Moses was a great White leader. He planted the seed of truth and set the example. It is incomprehensible for any religion to have a guy that preaches one thing to the people and then goes out and does just the opposite. He wrote the first five books of the Old Testament in which the people were clearly warned against miscegenation. Moses not only was faithful, he was honorable in not violating God's Law of racial integrity. Throughout the scriptures there is a principle of consistency and continuity. Any honest examination will prove that. God made no exceptions for anyone. This truth stands and delivers. All of these other contentions about race mixing in the Bible can be answered with diligent study and a willing spirit to learn. I will not waste my time spoon feeding arrogant, scripture-twisting devils who, "Know nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings [like Moses marrying a Negro], perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself" (I Tim. 6:5).[/font]​
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    well i apologize if i came across incorrectly, and i will study into lukes genealogy. There are still a lot of things that I am learning, just as we all are. I felt as though you were discrediting my own bloodline, and it was my misunderstanding. The 14th day after the new moon in Nisan is the start of passover. I feel as though I have made an idiot of myself, and I am admitting it.

    I still have some knowledge, and pray everyday that I am blessed with more.

    Upholding the feast days ARE important, but not as much as understanding the racial truth in the Word. To disregard that, and follow the rest of the bible, one should just disregard all of scripture.

    I am only a man, and we do err.
     
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    OK... I'm also making peace and leave it at that. You have your view and I have mine, both views have what we believe are evidence to back them up so as not to be confused with dogma. I think I'll just leave it at that and let the Lord sort it all out one day.
     
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    "As surely as I live," declares the LORD, "even if you, Jehoiachin son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, were a signet ring on my right hand, I would still pull you off.
    -- Jeremiah 22:24

    "'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty."
    -- Haggai 2:23

    It appears the curse was made on Jehoiachin that he nor his kin would prosper in his lifetime.

    Similar word were used by Haggai as Jeremiah. it appear Yahweh reversed the curse which was intended for Jehoiachins lifetime.[/indent]


    Few ever mention the missing generation of Mathew except for some Jews and atheist who repeat the error.
     
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    Haggai 2:20-23 is used by people who don't believe the curse exists now. But what is the context? Clearly end times, then in that day the promise will go to Zerrubabel in his resurrected body, just as King David and the church and many others will rule and reign with Christ. That's spiritual --- seed that are cursed are physical as flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom.

    Had the curse been reversed then and there, something would have happened that escapes most people who fail to think things out ("what if") in more detail: The opposite of the curse would have been true. He would have had sons that prospered and reigned in Judah. But what was Zerrubabel? Merely a governor and the throne of David was never established in the land of Israel after Judah's fall. That's why Jeremiah transferred the throne of David via the King's daughters to the alternate lineage that God selected until the reign of Messiah. If the curse was lifted, there would be no need for the throne in the isles, and no need for lost tribes being ruled over. That belief stands or falls by that curse (or I should say the absence thereof).

    Before mainline Christians get too gleeful that British-Israelism is now destroyed, I want to point out that historically we know the throne of David was not set up ever in Judah after the Babylonian captivity. That would make God an abysmal failure, and again their system would tumble as well. One other thing, if there was no curse yet in Jesus's time, then that makes the possibility that Jesus was naturally fathered by Joseph, something we know did not happen anyway. He was fathered by the Holy Spirit. The curse is the bulwark that prevents anyone from denying Jesus was Virgin born unless they want to admit he was cursed. The curse, of course, went to blood (Seed) sons. Jesus inherited the legal right of the throne from Joseph without being a blood son. After all, the inheritance of the throne was not cursed, it was the seedline destined to take the throne. This is why an uncursed individual can inherit the throne --- it was not the throne that was cursed.
     
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    I'm not really sure about the curse either way and may have missed something here.
    It's interesting though. If the curse remained who did the kingship go to instead?

    Have you ever counted the generations from Babylonian time to Christ? There should be 3 groups of 14 generations. It is one short.
    It's important that there are 14 generation for each age. From Abram to David then to Babylonian time and then to Christ.
    Where is the missing generation?

    Scholars got together long ago to determine where the missing generation is. They gave up and just let it ride.
    Some Jews use this as an excuse for not believing in Christ. There is a possible solution found only in the Aramaic scriptures which could change things.
    Interested?
     
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    The Kingship went via the King's daughter of the lineage of Zedekiah to be conjoined to the High King of Ireland of the Judahite lineage of Zarah, and perpetuated the throne at the time of the Babylonian captivity over to the isles.


    As for the 14 generations, a lot of speculation has been contrived over it because for sure we know that some are missing in the genealogy. The most straightforward impression the reader gets is 14 generations listed which is unto Jesus Christ, not counting him since he did not come from that lineage. It is unto him. That is what Matthew is trying to convey. That actually leaves 40 names. Abraham to David is 14. David to Josias is 14 and Josias to Joseph is 14. The two kings were counted twice since at each one is the starting/ending point of a period in history.

    To give a very real example, suppose I have a straight row of fence 39 yards and one post for each yard. I have therefore 40 posts. If I want to divide up the section into 3 parts, I would say posts 1-14 are holding up the first 13 yards. Posts 14 to 27 holds up the second 13 yards, and posts 27 to 40 hold up the last 13 yards. I might then say that 14 posts hold up each section and be correct. But the total number of posts are not 14 x 3 = 42, but rather 40 total only.
     
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    That also is false. It gives the impression that salvation for the gentiles is an afterthought. That God never intended for the gentiles to be saved, and that it was only because the Jews rejected Jesus why the gentiles have received it. The fact is, before the Earth was even created God from eternity had determined that human beings would be His children and would share His glory, His relationship and rule with Him.
     
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    Zedekiah's Mother was the daughter of Jeremiah yes?
    Who was Zedekiahs Father? I know the story of Zedekiahs sons being killed before Zedkiah's eyes and Jeremiah fleeing with the 3 daughters and ending up in Ireland.




    My family history goes back to the traditional Irish bards and the Race of Conn and related to the O'Daily's, O'Neil's and O'Connor clans,.

    I have a link to an e-book translated from Gaelic that was written by my ancestor long ago starting with Eremon, Eber and IR who came to Ireland.
    The Bards kept the history of the clans and kept up with who was related to who and they usually wrote the latest news through poems.
     
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    OK, I'll bite. Zedekiah's father was Josiah, making him the uncle of Jehoiachin, and Jehoiachin's father, Jehoiakim (Zedekiah's brother) is one not mentioned in Matthew's genealogy, and he had a similar curse.

    As for Jeremiah, that's what I heard being taught, even in my favorite book Judah's Sceptre/Joseph's Birthright, and would make sense since they revered Jeremiah according to legend, but I thought the biblcal genealogies were scant to actually prove it to a skeptic, so that's something I am open to realizing that would not change the migration history to the isles one way or the other. We are still able to find scripture to trace the daughters to the royal lineage in the isles. Likewise, outside sources relate Joseph of Aramathea as Jesus' Great Uncle. Again the scripture is scant genealogically speaking, but at least they tie him to the tribe of Levi which was where Mary's cousin came from, not to mention only a relative would be bold enough to request the body of Jesus and is something they would have understood. It's more circumstantial evidence.
     
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