Trump Moving Too Fast?

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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For it could be at midnight , or at the crowing of the rooster .
LEST coming suddenly he find many a sleeping , dreaming about all them years they thought they had left on earth
and mocking the few who had warned the coming draws nigh . IF ye shall not watch i shall come on thee as a theif
and no man knows the day or the hour . One thing i do know is , THIS SHEEP IS ONE HAPPY CAMPER
when i thinks of HIS COMING and FLYING HOME forever WITH HE who has saved us and kept us from falling .
THAT I DO KNOW . HAPPY TIME forever WITH THE KING . And i sure know a sister who do agree as well .
You might know her she lives in the UK with a wee orange and white jack russell called Izzy
or by those who know her the IZZANATOR . HOME . OH a lovely lovely thought indeed forever with THE KING .

 

[Triumph1300]

Trump has been pardoning these people.

Yes he did so..... the criminals invading and doing damage the US government buildings.
What's so good about violent criminals to pardon them?

 

[amigo de christo]

As far as I know only one was jailed, and not for preaching.
They arrested him in Calgary for not closing his church during the Covid scam.

oh there are many scams and scammers at work in these last and final days upon this earth .
Sadly a lot of them even call themselves christain . that made me want to cry when i typed it .
IT should never have went the way it did . BUT it was foretold this would occur .
SO many holler and calling many men christain who ought never have been called christain .
RATHER we should have prayed they repent and come to the TRUE JESUS THE CHRIST .
but many call the evil good and yes they call the true sheep EVIL . that is also a fact in these late and last hours .

 

[Rockerduck]

Yes he did so..... the criminals invading and doing damage the US government buildings.
What's so good about violent criminals to pardon them?

BLM, Antifa, and Palestinian protesters broke into schools, and gov't buildings and marched on the Supreme Court homes. and President Biden and the democrats didn't not even charge them. These were the criminals that work for the democrats.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

President Trump and Zelensky just signed a mineral deal. Usa will invest in Ukraine and supply military aid, and help rebuild Ukraine from the minerals sales to the USA. Russia is ready to talk peace now.

Russia was always ready to talk in fact ! It was the rest of the Socialist who were not, that's a fact !

But who has been truly selling out Ukraine ?

How would life of been for the East boardes of Ukraine, If they only had the right to Vote ! and the numbers were 80% of them were alowed to become Russia ?
They would of all been Save from War and all or the distruction that the criminal actions of Biden and Co had created in fact ! No one can dispute that fact ! They brought it all on ! Thanks to an unelected EU and the UN ! They are in fact Communist Socialist organisations!
Like who give power to such bodys ? They are past their use by date ! They created a War ! their job was created to stope Wars from coming about ! but they clearly brought it all on, like total morons, who would of thought that Russia would of objected ? like one would have to be a retard to believe Russia would not respond.

Russia did nothing wrong at all in fact ! They did not bring it on in fact, they were forced into the War, it was Joe Biden actions that forced Putins hand in fact. Their is more to the Game played, than has been peddled ! The Same with Biden's game play in getting the State of Israel attacked, it's all Satanic Lefty actions that are played ! and it sticks out like dogs balls. Socialist Communist Satanic actions are all number one their fingerprints are all over such.

 

[Triumph1300]

These were the criminals that work for the democrats.

Well, I guess it appears you guys have criminals working for both parties.
Biden AND Trump. Does not look good. What a mess.

 

[ProDeo]

And this from yesterday.

Bessent worked with George Soros a few decades ago to financially break England, and Trump and Bessent just might do so with China now. But the question is still at what cost. Supply chains are now getting screwed up just like during the pandemic, so what's coming may mess up a lot of businesses before things settle down again.

The following is maybe farfetched but I want to mention it anyway. On another forum ChatGTP was asked - is Calvinism a false teaching?

And it returned the yes answer, completely with Bible texts, previous versions could not, they only listed what Calvinism was and that you should decide yourself. This was different, it is not only about the yes answer but more that the thing came to a CONCLUSION by REASONING, comparing Bible fragments with other Bible fragments and producing a convincing analysis. I was flabbergasted because this was new, a computer able to reason and reason well.

Back to topic, OpenAI is just a commercial company, but how far are nations with AI, I suspect much further. Now Trump had 4 years to think how his next term would look like. This whole tariff thing could be the result of AI predicting human behaving, the pro's and the con's and how to anticipate. Maybe not the case now with the current tariff war due to its complexity, but it won't surprise me if the world is already there. Remember Trump's announcement to invest 500 billion dollar in AI.

 

[Scott Downey]

Here is another very good thing that Republicans won, EV mandates are going to be removed. Other states will not be allowed to mandate EV's. And the majority of voters do not want to be forced to buy electric cars which the Biden administration was forcing on people. This CA representative says California is failing.

MSN

 

[mailmandan]

The following hits it on the head right here. The supply chain disruption is poised to eliminate hundreds of thousands of American jobs, both in logistics and retail. The idea is to increase American manufacturing to create jobs and American independence (and I understand that's an over-simplification, but it's the heart of things), but we are going to be going in the hole to do so, so it's like...

Gives you the creepy crawlies, LoL. Part of you says "Ok, think long term." But part of you says, "Does anybody have any idea just how many things could go wrong here that could throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing, and then we dug our own hole and threw ourselves into it with no way to climb out?" I'm wondering what happens if we were to be hit by another pandemic, because it's been prophesied that another one is coming...

Anyway, barring a miracle, 3:48 - 5:08 appears to be what's coming now.

I would not be surprised if another pandemic is on the horizon and I'm convinced the timing of the last one was no accident! Speaking of China and the covid pandemic.

China blames US for origin of COVID-19 and turning 'deaf ear to the numerous questions over its conduct'

The United States is to blame for COVID-19, Chinese officials wrote in a paper published Wednesday after the White House blamed the disease on a leak.

www.foxnews.com

The great projectionists!

 

[Scott Downey]

The following is maybe farfetched but I want to mention it anyway. On another forum ChatGTP was asked - is Calvinism a false teaching?

And it returned the yes answer, completely with Bible texts, previous versions could not, they only listed what Calvinism was and that you should decide yourself. This was different, it is not only about the yes answer but more that the thing came to a CONCLUSION by REASONING, comparing Bible fragments with other Bible fragments and producing a convincing analysis. I was flabbergasted because this was new, a computer able to reason and reason well.

Back to topic, OpenAI is just a commercial company, but how far are nations with AI, I suspect much further. Now Trump had 4 years to think how his next term would look like. This whole tariff thing could be the result of AI predicting human behaving, the pro's and the con's and how to anticipate. Maybe not the case now with the current tariff war due to its complexity, but it won't surprise me if the world is already there. Remember Trump's announcement to invest 500 billion dollar in AI.

Just asked chatgpt using the reason button, and it said no it is not; it is within the bounds of orthodox teaching, read the response

Is Calvinism a false teaching

ChatGPT said:​

Calvinism isn’t a “secret cult” or fringe heresy, but rather one of the historic schools of Protestant theology—particularly within Reformed and Presbyterian traditions—devoted to explaining how God saves sinners. Whether it’s “false” depends on your theological commitments. Here’s a fair overview:

---

1. What Calvinism Teaches (the “TULIP” summary)​

1. Total Depravity
   Every part of human nature is marred by sin, so apart from divine intervention we cannot turn to God.
2. Unconditional Election
   Before the world began, God chose certain individuals for salvation—not based on any foreseen merit or action on their part.
3. Limited Atonement (or “Particular Redemption”)
   Christ’s death effectively secures salvation for the elect alone, actually bringing them to faith.
4. Irresistible Grace
   When God intends to save someone, His Spirit overcomes their resistance and brings them freely but irresistibly into faith.
5. Perseverance of the Saints
   Those truly born again will persevere to the end; they cannot finally fall away.

---

2. Why Many Embrace It​

• High View of God’s Sovereignty
  Calvinism exalts God’s initiative—He alone accomplishes salvation from first to last.
• Assurance of Salvation
  If salvation rests entirely on God’s unchanging will, believers can have confidence that He will complete what He began (Phil. 1:6).
• Coherent Biblical Narrative
  Calvinists argue their system best harmonizes texts that speak of God’s election (e.g. Romans 9) with texts about human responsibility.

---

3. Common Objections​

1. Free Will and Human Responsibility
   Critics (especially Arminians) say Calvinism makes human choice a mere byproduct of divine decree, undermining true moral responsibility.
2. Love and Justice of God
   Some argue that if God elects some to salvation and not others, it seems arbitrary or incompatible with His universal love (e.g. 1 Tim. 2:4).
3. Scope of the Atonement
   The idea that Christ died “only for the elect” feels to many like a limitation on the universal offer of the gospel (John 3:16; 2 Cor. 5:14–15).

---

4. The Broader Protestant Landscape​

• Arminianism (Methodists, many Baptists) affirms prevenient grace—God enables every person to respond—and then conditional election based on foreseen faith.
• Lutheranism holds to single predestination (God chooses the saved but does not actively decree the damned) and teaches that Christ’s atonement is universal in scope.
• Non-denominational Evangelicals often blend elements of both, emphasizing human choice while affirming God’s initiative in salvation.

---

5. Is It “False Teaching”?​

• Within Historic Protestantism: No. Calvinism falls squarely within the bounds of orthodox, biblical Christianity. Key confessions (Westminster, Belgic, Canons of Dort) are widely regarded as faithful interpretations of Scripture.
• Debated, Not Condemned: While Arminians, Lutherans, and Roman Catholics reject aspects of Calvinism, they do so on theological grounds—not by labeling it inherently heretical. These disagreements happen under the shared banner of “Christian orthodoxy.”
• Heretical Only at Extremes: Problems arise when one distorts Scripture to make God arbitrary or denies clear biblical teachings on human responsibility. But balanced, confessional Calvinism takes both God’s sovereignty and human accountability seriously.

---

In Summary​

Calvinism is not broadly regarded as a “false” or “demonic” teaching within historic Christianity, but as one major approach to understanding how God sovereignly saves sinners. It’s vigorously debated—especially over free will and the scope of Christ’s atonement—but remains a legitimate, time-tested expression of Protestant faith. Which framework you embrace will depend on how you weigh passages about divine election, human choice, and the nature of Christ’s atoning work.

 

[Rockerduck]

Well, I guess it appears you guys have criminals working for both parties.
Biden AND Trump. Does not look good. What a mess.

The democrats pay their criminals.

 

[Lizbeth]

This thread is a real mess! Poor attitudes, presumptions and accusations, denigrations, misrepresentations, all in the name of promoting righteousness????

Aren't you misrepresenting me here?

And again . . . just because someone supports Trump in no wise - not in any way - means that they worship the man.

I never said it did. But many of his Christian supporters do. When you talk to people it's not hard to see that many are too invested in and too wrapped up in politics and their favourite political figure or candidate and are forgetting Who is really in charge.

And even so . . . Our founding fathers envisioned a nation led by Christians. That's why the "separation of church and state", so that none of them would try to elevate their particular Christian denomination. Do you realize that?

In other words so that none of them in government would try to force their denominational/doctrinal/religious viewpoint on the people. That would be called a theocracy, in my understanding of the word. And we need to understand how the devil works....slowly by degrees, most of the time, which is why we need to have our eyes wide open and be wise to his wiles. Instead of being taken in and deceived by the devil to the point of justifying and agreeing with what he is doing.

No one is perfect, not you, not me, not him. But he's the one everyone is bagging on.

If I'm bagging on anyone (not sure what that means exactly), it's for one reason only....because many believers are worshiping the man.....not because I have anything against anybody. I'm not doing it to be critical or for political reasons whatsoever.......I'm concerned about the spiritual state of believers, of the church, that I'm seeing.

As chief executive, he has thousands and thousands of employees under him. Isn't it YOUR country that is jailing preachers for preaching? And it was the Biden regime that was jailing people for praying and preaching. Trump has been pardoning these people.

Yet he just endorsed and helped to re-elect the party in Canada that is doing that. Oops, oh well (shrug), no big deal, nobody is perfect right? Come on brother. And him allowing or organizing an inauguration service that was interfaith doesn't bother you or tell you anything either? And all those supposed Christian leaders who were part of that? What does it say about them?

I just realized what it means when a political leader installs Christian church leaders in government. It means he has taken them CAPTIVE. Like Babylon taking Israel captive. I'm very sorry to say, the church in America has been taken captive. It's official now. "Come out of her my people lest......"

 

[Lizbeth]

Just asked chatgpt using the reason button, and it said no it is not; it is within the bounds of orthodox teaching, read the response

Is Calvinism a false teaching

ChatGPT said:​

Calvinism isn’t a “secret cult” or fringe heresy, but rather one of the historic schools of Protestant theology—particularly within Reformed and Presbyterian traditions—devoted to explaining how God saves sinners. Whether it’s “false” depends on your theological commitments. Here’s a fair overview:

---

1. What Calvinism Teaches (the “TULIP” summary)​

1. Total Depravity
   Every part of human nature is marred by sin, so apart from divine intervention we cannot turn to God.
2. Unconditional Election
   Before the world began, God chose certain individuals for salvation—not based on any foreseen merit or action on their part.
3. Limited Atonement (or “Particular Redemption”)
   Christ’s death effectively secures salvation for the elect alone, actually bringing them to faith.
4. Irresistible Grace
   When God intends to save someone, His Spirit overcomes their resistance and brings them freely but irresistibly into faith.
5. Perseverance of the Saints
   Those truly born again will persevere to the end; they cannot finally fall away.

---

2. Why Many Embrace It​

• High View of God’s Sovereignty
  Calvinism exalts God’s initiative—He alone accomplishes salvation from first to last.
• Assurance of Salvation
  If salvation rests entirely on God’s unchanging will, believers can have confidence that He will complete what He began (Phil. 1:6).
• Coherent Biblical Narrative
  Calvinists argue their system best harmonizes texts that speak of God’s election (e.g. Romans 9) with texts about human responsibility.

---

3. Common Objections​

1. Free Will and Human Responsibility
   Critics (especially Arminians) say Calvinism makes human choice a mere byproduct of divine decree, undermining true moral responsibility.
2. Love and Justice of God
   Some argue that if God elects some to salvation and not others, it seems arbitrary or incompatible with His universal love (e.g. 1 Tim. 2:4).
3. Scope of the Atonement
   The idea that Christ died “only for the elect” feels to many like a limitation on the universal offer of the gospel (John 3:16; 2 Cor. 5:14–15).

---

4. The Broader Protestant Landscape​

• Arminianism (Methodists, many Baptists) affirms prevenient grace—God enables every person to respond—and then conditional election based on foreseen faith.
• Lutheranism holds to single predestination (God chooses the saved but does not actively decree the damned) and teaches that Christ’s atonement is universal in scope.
• Non-denominational Evangelicals often blend elements of both, emphasizing human choice while affirming God’s initiative in salvation.

---

5. Is It “False Teaching”?​

• Within Historic Protestantism: No. Calvinism falls squarely within the bounds of orthodox, biblical Christianity. Key confessions (Westminster, Belgic, Canons of Dort) are widely regarded as faithful interpretations of Scripture.
• Debated, Not Condemned: While Arminians, Lutherans, and Roman Catholics reject aspects of Calvinism, they do so on theological grounds—not by labeling it inherently heretical. These disagreements happen under the shared banner of “Christian orthodoxy.”
• Heretical Only at Extremes: Problems arise when one distorts Scripture to make God arbitrary or denies clear biblical teachings on human responsibility. But balanced, confessional Calvinism takes both God’s sovereignty and human accountability seriously.

---

In Summary​

Calvinism is not broadly regarded as a “false” or “demonic” teaching within historic Christianity, but as one major approach to understanding how God sovereignly saves sinners. It’s vigorously debated—especially over free will and the scope of Christ’s atonement—but remains a legitimate, time-tested expression of Protestant faith. Which framework you embrace will depend on how you weigh passages about divine election, human choice, and the nature of Christ’s atoning work.

Scripture doesn't actually agree with Calvin.....he takes things too far.....he is in the carnal natural mind with these things, but we need to be in the mind of Christ, in other words be in spirit:

Act 17:25-28

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

 

[Scott Downey]

Scripture doesn't actually agree with Calvin.....he takes things too far.....he is in the carnal natural mind with these things, but we need to be in the mind of Christ, in other words be in spirit:

Act 17:25-28

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

I know what you're saying about seeking. God desires all men to seek for Him.
However scripture also says no one seeks for God.
Romans 3:11
There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.

So what does this mean?
Scriptures do explain these things, only the elect, whom He chose, will have faith.

Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Titus 1:1
Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness,

Mark 13:20
And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

 

[Lizbeth]

I know what you're saying about seeking. God desires all men to seek for Him.
However scripture also says no one seeks for God.
Romans 3:11
There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.

So what does this mean?
Scriptures do explain these things, only the elect, whom He chose, will have faith.

Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Titus 1:1
Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness,

Mark 13:20
And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

I don't want to go off topic here too much, but the only way I know to reconcile the apparent contradiction is where the scripture says that we are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God". I see His "choosing" as being in a manner of speaking, based on His foreknowledge of how any soul would respond to Christ.

 

[marks]

Aren't you misrepresenting me here?

I wasn't meaning you.

I never said it did. But many of his Christian supporters do. When you talk to people it's not hard to see that many are too invested in and too wrapped up in politics and their favourite political figure or candidate and are forgetting Who is really in charge.

I don't see that. I see a lot of enthusiasm, I see a lot of jubilation over stopping the wrecking ball of Biden and his bunch.

..because many believers are worshiping the man.....

Show me just person who worships our President. Just one!

We are enthusiastic because of what we've been going thru under Biden, and the evil that was being done against this country. Do you know how relieved you feel when you've pulled out a splinter? Multiply that by 1,000's!

This is why I bring up about those who actually live here, we have the perspective that you don't. And so our perspective is miscontrued as worship? I think I know where that is coming from, the devil doesn't like his plans frustrated. So we're accused of worshiping him.

Don't believe the hype.

"Bagging on someone" is colloquialism for being critical, criticizing. And I maintain this is continuing without foundation.

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

I would not be surprised if another pandemic is on the horizon and I'm convinced the timing of the last one was no accident! Speaking of China and the covid pandemic.

China blames US for origin of COVID-19 and turning 'deaf ear to the numerous questions over its conduct'

The United States is to blame for COVID-19, Chinese officials wrote in a paper published Wednesday after the White House blamed the disease on a leak.

www.foxnews.com

The great projectionists!

That is a very creepy connection, Mailman. Would anyone really put it past China to retaliate with (another) virus if we disrupted their economy bad enough? And does anyone on the planet really trust the WHO. It's just a globalist apparatus to control global population, not help it.

... That's a disturbing connection, and I was reading a vision just yesterday that the next one will spread across the planet, but it will start in the United States.

China understands fully that this is a form of war, so... it's disturbing.

 

[Lizbeth]

We are enthusiastic because of what we've been going thru under Biden, and the evil that was being done against this country. Do you know how relieved you feel when you've pulled out a splinter? Multiply that by 1,000's!

This is why I bring up about those who actually live here, we have the perspective that you don't. And so our perspective is miscontrued as worship? I think I know where that is coming from, the devil doesn't like his plans frustrated. So we're accused of worshiping him.

I've lived under a left leaning woke, corrupt, incompetent, elitist WEF influenced liberal government here for 10 years and now they have been installed for another 4 year term. The lunatics are running the asylum. We are and have been facing the exact same problem you have down there in the USA brother, so of course I know exactly what it's like.

Divided nation....two different visions that are clashing. Taxed to death even when you die, and it's getting nearly impossible for average folks to keep a roof over their heads here, if they are lucky enough to even find one, and homelessness is greatly increasing. I have even seen homeless couples living out of their car or in a tent...never seen that before. They've brought so many immigrants into the country without having the infrastructure to look after them all, there is not enough housing, and what there is is not affordable for most people any more, and the health care and public education systems are drowning. Justice system that is drowning too...not enough judges and lawyers and courthouses and jail to deal with all the crime, so they let everyone out on bail and give them lenient sentences. I think we probably have a worse mess here than you do.

 

[marks]

I've lived under a left leaning woke, corrupt, incompetent, elitist WEF influenced liberal government here for 10 years and now they have been installed for another 4 year term. The lunatics are running the asylum. We are and have been facing the exact same problem you have down there in the USA brother, so of course I know exactly what it's like.

Divided nation....two different visions that are clashing. Taxed to death even when you die, and it's getting nearly impossible for average folks to keep a roof over their heads here, if they are lucky enough to even find one, and homelessness is greatly increasing. I have even seen homeless couples living out of their car or in a tent...never seen that before. They've brought so many immigrants into the country without having the infrastructure to look after them all, there is not enough housing, and what there is is not affordable for most people any more, and the health care and public education systems are drowning. Justice system that is drowning too...not enough judges and lawyers and courthouses and jail to deal with all the crime, so they let everyone out on bail and give them lenient sentences. I think we probably have a worse mess here than you do.

Then why are you so opposed to us enjoying the fact that we have a president who is pushing back?? Who is turning this back around?

And have you followed Robert Kennedy's performance as our new Secretary of Health and Human Services? I think he's doing a fantastic job. He's another example of someone accomplishing a lot in 100 days towards turning this nation around in that regards. I'm amazed, impressed, and I expected no less from the man. And . . . wait for it . . . I don't worship him either. Sorry to disappoint.

And then there is our Secretary of Defense Hegseth, rebuilding our military. I love the job he is doing! And he is not being worshiped either.

Maybe Canandians in general don't gush like we do, I don't know. Accusations of Trump Worship come accross to me as pejorative, uninformed, and lacking perspective. Joining with the worldly voices to take down a man who is pushing back on the devil's agendas. Or so it seems to me.

I'm very sorry to say, the church in America has been taken captive. It's official now.

And this is false, way over the top, again, in my opinion. Official according to who?? You? The church in America thrives. Christendom - cultural Christianity - should never be mistaken for the church, the actual body of Christ.

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

I've lived under a left leaning woke, corrupt, incompetent, elitist WEF influenced liberal government here for 10 years and now they have been installed for another 4 year term. The lunatics are running the asylum. We are and have been facing the exact same problem you have down there in the USA brother, so of course I know exactly what it's like.

Divided nation....two different visions that are clashing. Taxed to death even when you die, and it's getting nearly impossible for average folks to keep a roof over their heads here, if they are lucky enough to even find one, and homelessness is greatly increasing. I have even seen homeless couples living out of their car or in a tent...never seen that before. They've brought so many immigrants into the country without having the infrastructure to look after them all, there is not enough housing, and what there is is not affordable for most people any more, and the health care and public education systems are drowning. Justice system that is drowning too...not enough judges and lawyers and courthouses and jail to deal with all the crime, so they let everyone out on bail and give them lenient sentences. I think we probably have a worse mess here than you do.

War, an accidental mistake because of disagreement?....Naaaahhhh, a deliberate exercise in destruction; the natural outworking of the Kingdoms of this World.
Were it not for the restraining influence of the Spirit of God our World would long have ground itself into the ground.