Understanding : Acts 2:38

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The apostles preaching of te gospel was not taught them.

Have you ever actually opened a BIBLE and read Acts? Any of it?

Lets try Acts 2.....

= Peter told the Jews ''you have slain your messiah".

So, is that the "Gospel that we preach"?

When is the last time a CHRISTIAN, TOLD AN UNBELIEVER....."YOU HAVE SLAIN YOUR Messiah"?

And the JEWS said to PETER>..>"what must we do".....(now that we understand that we murdered JESUS)>

= "repent and be baptized". (Water).

And that is Exactly what John the Baptist told the same Jews, before PENTECOST..... and it's not the "gospel".

So, it could be that some hyper religious people..... who are of the "water cults'"...... need to read a BIBLE, at least one time in their life.

Start with Acts 2.
 

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Can you please explain what you mean when you say , but everyone will be baptised by God, we need to choose which one?..thank you, just trying to understand that is all, no animosity here.
Matthew 3:11

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Jesus will baptize everyone, which one is for each individual to decide.

what occurs with these two baptisms? Matthew explains next

In baptising with the holy spirit. the following happens.

12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and
gather His wheat into the barn;

Those who are not baptized with the spirit. the following is said to happen.


vs 12 continued - but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Do you want baptized with the spirit. or with FIre..
 

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Romans 6 and Colossians 2 are the same as Acts 2:38.
nope. this is in error

Galatians 5 is similar. 1 Corinthians 12 is something different altogether. It is the same as Acts 2:4, 10:44 and all the occurrences of the laying on of hands of the apostles such as with Peter and John Acts 8:17, etc.
Again this is in error

The error comes because you are not interpreting the greek word baptizo (to be placed into ) correctly


The first group received the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit through their faith when they were water baptized.
Again, this is in error

The recieved the gift, when the HS baptized them into Christ and into his death, no water was involved or infered
The second group received the empowering Holy Spirit. The indwelling Holy Spirit is a gift to all who believe and are water baptized and is strictly a New Covenant gift. the purpose is as a helper, a paraclete, to the new Christian. The empowering Holy Spirit was a gift to only a select few. It happened in the OT as well as the NT. You need to always discern the distinction between the indwelling Holy Spirit and the empowering Holy Spirit, something that you seem not to be doing.
Again, these occur because we are baptized into Christ and his body (no water involved). because of this the HS can come into us.
John said Jesus will baptize with the Holy Spirit AND fire. There was no "or" there. In that baptism, fire is more likely a cleansing fire, a purifying fire and again is the gift to all repentant believers in water baptism.
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12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn;

The what are those baptized with the spirit


but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

The chaff (unsaved) will be burned not just in fire, but a fire that shall not be quenched.. This defenition only fits one fire. and that is hellfire.
 

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Matthew 3:11

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Jesus will baptize everyone, which one is for each individual to decide.

what occurs with these two baptisms? Matthew explains next

In baptising with the holy spirit. the following happens.


12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn;

Those who are not baptized with the spirit. the following is said to happen.


vs 12 continued - but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Do you want baptized with the spirit. or with FIre..
I have been Born Again of imperishable seed.

I think Baptise in the Spirit was back then.

As Gods word now says in the New Covenant we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.he doesn’t say a Born Again is baptised?

Can’t make head nor tail of what you’ve posted in the spirit....I didn’t choose to become Born Again Of imperishable seed, God chose me.

Therefore if that’s how you believe you became Born Again, no worries, I never became Born Again that way..makes no sense with respect.
Do you understand this scripture?...do you understand the bold part that is underlined?

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Have you ever actually opened a BIBLE and read Acts? Any of it?

Lets try Acts 2.....

= Peter told the Jews ''you have slain your messiah".

So, is that the "Gospel that we preach"?

When is the last time a CHRISTIAN, TOLD AN UNBELIEVER....."YOU HAVE SLAIN YOUR Messiah"?

And the JEWS said to PETER>..>"what must we do".....(now that we understand that we murdered JESUS)>

= "repent and be baptized". (Water).

And that is Exactly what John the Baptist told the same Jews, before PENTECOST..... and it's not the "gospel".

So, it could be that some hyper religious people..... who are of the "water cults'"...... need to read a BIBLE, at least one time in their life.

Start with Acts 2.
I dont know what you preach but I teach all are guilty for the murder death of Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:8,
- but God demonstrates His own love toward us in that while WE WERE STILL SINNERS Christ died for US

Now if you think that doesn't apply to you?

What put Jesus on the cross? Sin. Who's sin? Everyone

So yes the gospel is we all are guilty of murdering Jesus not just jews.

And the JEWS said to PETER>..>"what must we do".....(now that we understand that we murdered JESUS)>

= "repent and be baptized". (Water).
Its amazing you don't take full responsibility for the death of Christ?
I know my sins put Him on that cross. Not just the sins of the jews!!!!

repent and be baptized". (Water).

And that is Exactly what John the Baptist told the same Jews, before PENTECOST..... and it's not the "gospel".
Nope. By the time Acts 2 occurs John the Baptist's baptism was defunct, it had ended.

There are similarities between John's baptism and new testament baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. But they are not the same baptism as you need to learn.

Once Jesus died was buried then raised from the dead the old covenant, the old testament, the old law of Moses CAME TO AN END.

When Peter preached in Acts 2 that is the beginning of the new testament gospel of Jesus Christ.

As proof read Hebrews 9:16-17,
- for where there is a testament there must also be the DEATH OF THE TESTATOR
For a testament is IN FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD SINCE IT HAS NO POWER AT ALL WHILE THE TESTATOR LIVES



When did the new testament come into force?
After the death of Christ.
Was Jesus dead when Jews were being baptized into John's baptism? No He was still living!!!!!

After the death then ascension of Christ back to heaven Jesus completed His new testament gospel by sending the Holy Spirit to the apostles to have them preach the gospel to all the world.

It began in Acts 2.

So, it could be that some hyper religious people..... who are of the "water cults'"...... need to read a BIBLE, at least one time in their life.
Take your own advice
 

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And the JEWS said to PETER>..>"what must we do".....(now that we understand that we murdered JESUS)>

= "repent and be baptized". (Water).

And that is Exactly what John the Baptist told the same Jews, before PENTECOST..... and it's not the "gospel
John's baptism is not Acts 2:38
The baptism in Acts 2:38 is Jesus'new testament baptism.

Acts 19:1-,
- and it came to pass that while Apollos was at Corinth Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus and finding certain disciples he said to them,
Have ye received the Holy Spirit since you believed?
And they said to him We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Spirit

And Paul said unto them, unto what were ye baptized?
And they said, Unto John's baptism
then Paul said, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance saying unto the people that they should BELIEVE ON HIM WHICH SHOULD COME AFTER, AFTER, AFTER JOHN

that is on Christ Jesus

when they heard this they were baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS(Acts 2:38)


Two baptisms Behold.
John's baptism old law of Moses, old covenant
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, new testament baptism in Jesus' gospel, Mark 16:15-16

No way Paul would have baptized these Ephesians again if John's baptism was Jesus' baptism in Acts 2:38.

These twelve men that were baptized in Acts 19 were baptized twice

Dispensationalist dont know the true gospel.
They make alot of mistakes.
Big mistakes.




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John's baptism is not Acts 2:38
The baptism in Acts 2:38 is Jesus'new testament baptism.

See if you can understand this...

Can you know something, before you know it?

No.

So, if you read Acts 10... you will find that PETER, was being instructed by God,... so that Peter could understand, that Gentiles could be saved, and not just JEWS.
Acts 10, is 10 yrs, after Jesus is back in Heaven.
So, PETER, didnt even know in Acts 2, that Gentiles could be saved.. And nearly 10 yrs later, STILL didnt know it.

This means that He didn't understand New TESTAMENT Salvation yet.

In Acts 15, Peter met Paul.. and Paul met them all, and from Acts 15, Peter understood PAUL's Gospel, that Paul said JESUS Taught Him, and Paul referred to this Gospel as "MY Gospel".. 3X in the NT.

This Gospel, was not what Peter was sharing with JEWS, in Acts 2.......who had asked Peter, "what shall we do" after Peter told them... "you have crucified your Messiah".

Paul's Gospel, is "The Gospel of the GRACE of God"...>"Justification BY Faith.

That is not "repent and get dunked".......that Peter was explaining to Jews, in Acts 2.

Paul even said.. "Christ sent me NOT to water baptize".....and he said that to draw the distinction between John the Baptist's "repent and be baptized" that Peter was Preaching, that is not THE Gospel that Jesus gave to Paul .
 

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So, if you read Acts 10... you will find that PETER, was being instructed by God,... so that Peter could understand, that Gentiles could be saved, and not just JEWS.
Acts 10, is 10 yrs, after Jesus is back in Heaven.
So, PETER, didnt even know in Acts 2, that Gentiles could be saved.. And nearly 10 yrs later, STILL didnt know it.

This means that He didn't understand New TESTAMENT Salvation yet.
You need to realize if your right Acts 2:38 was error coming from the Holy Spirit.
It should not even be in our Bibles.
You should realize this cannot be the case. You are making God teach error in Acts 2:38.

Peter knew exactly what to preach in Acts 2.
Acts 2 was for Jews at that time.

Later the Holy Spirit revealed to Peter what to preach to Cornelius the first gentile converted under the new testament gospel.

Gods revelation to the apostles came over time.

But that doesn't mean at the time they were preaching they did not know what they were saying.

Peter knew what to teach in Acts 2.

And when God revealed to Peter that the gentiles were to be saved by his gospel,
Peter knew exactly what to preach to Cornelius in Acts 10.

Peter did not learn what to preach or who to preach to.
The Holy Spirit gave Peter miraculous knowledge WHEN HE NEEDED IT,

1Corinthians 12:7,8
- but the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit

Miraculous knowledge was given to Peter and all the apostles so when they preached it was without error.
 

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The Gospel of the GRACE of God"...>"Justification BY Faith
Peter preached the same gospel as Paul.
Paul was water baptized to wash away His sins just as Peter was under the old testament baptism of John.

Both gospels are by Grace and faith,

Paul preached water baptism to Jews and gentiles,
Acts 18:8,
- then Crispus the ruler of the synagogue believed on the Lord with all his household and many of the Corinthians hearing believed and were baptized

Baptized by Paul with his gospel of grace.

1Corinthians 1:14,
- I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius

Here is Paul in the letter to Corinth how he water baptized in His gospel.

The only reason Paul,said he was glad he had not baptized all of them is because they were abusing baptism.
Instead of giving Jesus the credit, being baptized in the name of the Lord.

They were sinning by saying they were baptized into some man!!!
Paul wanted nothing of this because they were forming SECTS.

1Corinthians 1:13,
- is Christ divided was Paul crucified for you or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
- I thank God I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius
- lest anyone of you should say that I had baptized in MY OWN NAME


Paul was baptizing in water in his gospel.
Just as Peter did to Cornelius in his gospel, Acts 10.

Because there is only one gospel of Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith(gospel), One baptism
 
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Is anyone saying that water baptism saves you?
Is anyone saying that repentance saves you?
Is anyone saying that the Bread and Wine Ritual saves you?
Is anyone saying that receiving the Holy Spirit saves you?
Is anyone saying that Good Deeds and helping others saves you?

Probably the confusion is that being saved as it is called is an instant in time…..Salvation is the total package and it takes a lifetime.

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12
Paul it not talking about being saved, that is past tense. He is talking about working on their salvation.

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Matthew 28:19-20

Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say Luke 6:46

It depends on how you look at it…..How many saved Christians will be in Hell or where not saved to begin with because they found ways not to obey. Oh I decided I don’t need to do that! You many be screaming that in Hell for eternity!

Baptism other than by water is a fairy tale….no meter….no photo finish….you will never know.

Faith is what initially saves you but salvation and going to Heaven entails the rest of this. The Heavenly reward is not about a mere thought…..Oh I believe! I believe! Christianity was called the Way because it taught the way to get to Heaven….A way of Christian life.

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say water Baptism is not necessary.
Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that repentance is not necessary.
Nowhere in the scriptures does it say the Bread and Wine Ritual is not necessary.
Nowhere in the scriptures does it say receiving Holy Spirit is not necessary.
Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that Good Deeds and helping others is not necessary.

It is called defiance and it is one of the characteristics that will give you an express ticket to Hell.

The Johnny Appleseed of Truth
Be good and do good.
 
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No way Paul would have baptized these Ephesians again if John's baptism was Jesus' baptism in Acts 2:38.
And no way Paul would have baptized those Ephesians again if it were only to demonstrate to the community that they were already saved.
 
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And no way Paul would have baptized those Ephesians again if it were only to demonstrate to the community that they were already saved.
Amen, that makes good sense!
In Acts 18 Apollos taught those Ephesians.
That's why he baptized them in John's baptism.
But Apollos was ignorant of Jesus' new testament baptism.
So when these Ephesians were baptized into John's baptism it was during the new testament covenant. That means their baptism into John had already ended.
This is Acts 19!!! So John's baptism was no longer being practiced by the jews.
Johns baptism ended in Acts 2.
So when Paul meets these 12 men. He asks them what baptism they received. And when he learned its was John's baptism and not Jesus' baptism, he knew right then and there they had obeyed the wrong baptism.
So he taught them the gospel more accurately and they were baptized into Jesus Christ.
And this baptism washes away sins, Acts 2:38. Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.
 

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Is anyone saying that water baptism saves you?
Is anyone saying that repentance saves you?
Is anyone saying that the Bread and Wine Ritual saves you?
Is anyone saying that receiving the Holy Spirit saves you?
Is anyone saying that Good Deeds and helping others saves you?

Probably the confusion is that being saved as it is called is an instant in time…..Salvation is the total package and it takes a lifetime.
I am with you on some of that but not all of it. The Bread and Wine ritual and the Good Deeds have nothing to do with being saved. Both are works to be done by the one who has been saved. Being saved is accomplished by God in an instant. Having sins forgiven and being given the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit is salvation. Having sins forgiven and having the debt due to those sins paid by Jesus on the cross is what Paul calls being Justified. That together with being given the gift of the Holy Spirit is what is called being born again, i.e., being regenerated. God does that in an instant. It is a state of being.

We are saved by grace through faith. And we stay saved by grace through faith. We are in Christ Jesus not to be saved, but because we have been saved. We are in Christ Jesus to do good works. To say that we do works to be saved is Galatianalism. Paul wrote his letter to the Galatians to refute that very notion.

Paul message in Philippians to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" is Sanctification. That is indeed a life long endeavor, but it is not an endeavor of becoming saved. There is the initial sanctification that occurs when we are saved. That is the initial separation from the things of this world and a rejoining in the presence of God. There is the continual work of sanctification by the one who has been saved to become more and more separated from sin and the world and become closer to what God wants for us. In this aspect of sanctification we become more and more like God in righteousness and holiness of truth (Eph 4:22-24). Our pattern and goal are God’s own ethical holiness, as we are commanded to imitate his perfect moral character: “But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, ‘You shall be holy, for I am holy’” (1 Pet 1:15-16). As Jesus says it, “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Matt 5:48). Our goal is to “share His holiness” (Heb 12:10) or to “become partakers of the divine nature” (2 Pet 1:4) in this moral sense. We are to purify ourselves, even as he is pure (1 John 3:3). See Luke 1:75; Rom 6:19,22; 2 Cor 6:14–7:1; 1 Thess 3:13; 4:7.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Matthew 28:19-20
As I have explained before here, in the Greek, there is only one command in those to verses. That command is to" make disciples". The "baptizing" and "teaching" are participles modifying the verb "make" defining and describing how the making of disciples is to be accomplished. It is not a command to baptize and teach disciples. It is the process whereby disciples are made.
 

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The Bread and Wine ritual and the Good Deeds have nothing to do with being saved. Both are works to be done by the one who has been saved. Being saved is accomplished by God in an instant. Having sins forgiven and being given the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit is salvation. Having sins forgiven and having the debt due to those sins paid by Jesus on the cross is what Paul calls being Justified. That together with being given the gift of the Holy Spirit is what is called being born again, i.e., being regenerated. God does that in an instant. It is a state of being.

I tried to explain this.
None of it is about being saved.
Saved is an instance in time, that is faith in Christ.
Salvation and going to Heaven is a life time .

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. ......................................2nd Corinthians 5:10

Once saved always saved is a lie.

The Jews use to figure out ways to twist the scriptures to get around the Law. You do not want to use that technique to form your religious beliefs.....you will end up in Hell.

As far as the Bread and the Wine Ritual….Christ said if you did not do it there would be no life in you and He would not raise you on the last day. It was not a metaphor because then He performed the ritual.

As far as Good Deed…..they do not save you, but not doing them can get you to Hell.

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25

None of these except for Faith saves but if you do not do them you may end up in Hell.
 
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