Unionism The Devils Bride

[horsecamp]

one big christian church on earth would be one big compromise of bible truth it would be -------------the devils bride !

if any one is serious about the bible they would never want that because in order to have that,,, they would have to trash what the bible says about keeping away from those who teach differently from the bible . romans 16:17

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel to you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1, 8).




actually there is good reasons for denominations and denominations that exist ----------- in no way hurt what the bible teaches about unity a unity that only God sees and is able to join together .



. "Else the prayer of Christ was an unanswered One," (John 17:21) and "His prophecy would be an unfulfilled dream." John 10:16



but christ prayer is always answered with a yes and his prophesey is not a unfullfilled dreram because

there is unity right now as the bible truly says ..





"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Ephesians 4: 4-6)


So we better get use to it ---------------------only God knows who are truly his ----------------------not any of us.

and the majority just might come from a "denominational church" who knows ? only God knows who are his -------------- perhaps you are the only one in a non denominational church that is also a member of Gods true church . The only one who truly knows is God.


1 Samuel 16:7 (New International Version 1984, ©1984)

7 But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

 

[Templar81]

Liek it or not as Christianity wains and Islam gets ever bolder and stronger it could happen.

Where I live the local churches get together for s[pecial services and events; like processions and nativity plays etc. But they are at the end of the day separate churches and no-one goes aroudn tellign another chruch that they are reading the Bible wrong. One day though they ahve have to come together and I'm not looking forward to that for two reasons; 1. it will show just how much trouble Christianity in the area/country is really in and 2. there will always be differences of opinion between the enominations that make up the chruch.

Christain Unity is not bad thing and should be striven for but I get the idea that what we might end up with horsecamp; is a hosue divided on itself, which as we know cannot stand.

 

[Selene]

Liek it or not as Christianity wains and Islam gets ever bolder and stronger it could happen.

Where I live the local churches get together for s[pecial services and events; like processions and nativity plays etc. But they are at the end of the day separate churches and no-one goes aroudn tellign another chruch that they are reading the Bible wrong. One day though they ahve have to come together and I'm not looking forward to that for two reasons; 1. it will show just how much trouble Christianity in the area/country is really in and 2. there will always be differences of opinion between the enominations that make up the chruch.

Christain Unity is not bad thing and should be striven for but I get the idea that what we might end up with horsecamp; is a hosue divided on itself, which as we know cannot stand.

Hi Templar,

I agree that Islam appears to be getting bolder and stronger. Also, the Muslims don't need to go on a jihad against western societies. Muslims who are already in western societies will soon outnumber Christians. They can easily take over that way. Just look at what happened to Lebanon. Lebanon was once a contry with the majority being Christian. Now, the majority are Muslims. Muslims continue to have many children while Christians tend to go on birth control. I would say that Division is the Devil's bride rather than Unionism.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[Templar81]

My point was the a hosue divided on itself is the devil's bride, bringing together unity where it cannot stand.

perhaps over time this could work out with the best of different traditions melding together to form a church that suits all but human nature makes this kind of thing difficult to achieve. It would take several generations and I think that even if it works out much that is good in the differeing Christian traditions will be lost in favour of what the majority think. We would possibly loose out becoming blionkered and narrowminded and I think it is good that CHristianity (Orthodox Christianity) has so many different expressions and traditions and I think we ought to celebrate it and remember that we all belong to the Universal church.

 

[aspen]

I really do not know why people buy this....

It just seems so obvious to me that the Devil would try to make something good, like unity and eccumenicalism into a bad idea that we should fear. Jesus tells us to turn from evil, not fear it. Fear is the tool of the Devil.

 

[horsecamp]

Every Christian should agree that the splintering of the church into warring factions is not the Lord's idea. How can it be stopped? How can it be reversed?

A popular answer today is ``Deeds, not creeds! Doctrines divide!'' Be nice if it worked. Unfortunately, as the sainted Dr. Siegbert Becker of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary remarked,


What happens in the ecumenical movement is that they emphasize everything they agree on, which is almost nothing, and de-emphasize everything they disagree on, which is almost everything, until the sum total of their beliefs can be stated in two sentences: ``Love thy neighbor and be kind to animals.''


read whole thing and find out how this trend can be reversed .



http://www.grace-els.org/confirmation/interpretation/node1.html

 

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Every Christian should agree that the splintering of the church into warring factions is not the Lord's idea. How can it be stopped? How can it be reversed?

A popular answer today is ``Deeds, not creeds! Doctrines divide!'' Be nice if it worked. Unfortunately, as the sainted Dr. Siegbert Becker of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary remarked,


What happens in the ecumenical movement is that they emphasize everything they agree on, which is almost nothing, and de-emphasize everything they disagree on, which is almost everything, until the sum total of their beliefs can be stated in two sentences: ``Love thy neighbor and be kind to animals.''


read whole thing and find out how this trend can be reversed .



http://www.grace-els.org/confirmation/interpretation/node1.html

I agree with you that the splintering of the church into warring factions is not the Lords' idea, but I disagree as to divine motive and human purpose.

It has been my observation that in any truly dynamic, growing church an observed purpose of the Holy Spirit is to cause the group as a whole to grow in more effective ways. To that end, small new satellite churchs are born. They may be called mission venues or churchs or may simply be annexations of the parent church. In any case, the resources necessary be they spiritual, physical and financial are used to create the new church. It is not unlike the splitting of a cell in a living physical organism. The split MUST happen in order to further life. IMO this is a Holy Spirit directed impulse and purpose, not that of the enemy.

The enemy seeks to block this growth and often does so by creating inter-personal rivalries, grumblings and so on. In some cases, the enemies efforts are aided by people who are unwilling to welcome change and by those who feel threatened by the pressure to divide. There may also be a bit of greed involved on the part of leadership, since a considerable loss of financial resources is involved.

I had the priviledge of living in a community where this tendency to split was welcomed, groomed and performed with athletic and artistic majesty. The pastor developed leadership teams in education, music, management, etc. and sent them out along with a small cadre of the congregation to start new churches. It worked splendidly since the pastor's main message was that everyone was doing God's work, and so they were. Privately, the pastor confided to me that a successful split cause severe financial distress, requiring a lot of prayer in order to reestablish the parent church once more.

Bottom line is that humans abhor change, especially when they are settled in habit and financial prosperity. The Holy Spirit demands change and growth as spiritual and physical LIFE is a part of God's nature. Not for nothing is Our Lord called the way, the truth and THE LIFE.

If one walks with God, then he should welcome a split and assist it as gracefully as possible. To attempt to stop such a thing or to block it may result in a futile attempt to stop God's will, resulting in pain and corporate discomfort. The birth of a new church will happen one way or the other.

 

[veteran]

There truly only has ever been but one true Church, and that's Christ's Body of believers that remain faithal to Him and His Word, regardless of denomination, city, state, or country. Christ's Body cannot be shackled down to any one religious organization of man.

Today's ecumenical movement is not really about Christ's true Church, because that movement today involves man's attempt to join various religions outside Christianity together as one.

And to promote that, leaders of 'other' religions than Christianity are being invited to preach and teach their religion within those Christian Churches. That movement is not a sign of Christ's true Church. Those Christian Churches that do that joining with other religions are houses of vanity. (see World Council of Churches, a U.N. function).

I truly thank our Heavenly Father and His Son that His true Church is of The Spirit, and not of man's organizing. In the last days the devil's servants are going to form a one-world church that everyone will be required to accept. That's what the U.N. ecumenical inter-faith movement going on today is about, a one-world church system under world socialism.

We can see how that movement is really working in Communist states like Russia and Red China today. In those states, if you want to be a Christian, you are required to attend and belong ONLY to the government run and controlled state Christian church. Many of the people refuse, and instead have Churches in their houses, meeting in secret (just like Christ's early disciples in Judea). Those Christians in Communist states have been under heavy persecution for not joining the state church.

That's the same kind of working Christ's faithful in the west will probably be under when ecumenicalism completes their one-world Christian church organization under world socialism. Like I said, I thank The Father and The Son that His Church is of The Spirit, and not of man's outward organizing.