Universal Salvation and Artificial Intelligence

[bbyrd009]

All people will go to Heaven.

oh...i maybe see the disconnect now,
No one has ever gone up to heaven but He Who came down from it, the son of man
All go to the same place
There is only One Immortal, Who dwells alone in unapproachable light
...and you and your sons will be here with me

 

[St. SteVen]

Harold said:
All people will go to Heaven.

I think he means EVENTUALLY.

oh...i maybe see the disconnect now,
No one has ever gone up to heaven but He Who came down from it, the son of man
All go to the same place
There is only One Immortal, Who dwells alone in unapproachable light
...and you and your sons will be here with me

Seems Jesus is using contrast to make a point.
Where did Moses and Elijah come from when they appeared at the Transfiguration? (and many others)

 

[bbyrd009]

All people will go to Heaven.

I think he means EVENTUALLY

”people” infers “souls,” and i dont think that is gonna fly tbh, much as i would love it myself
now, the spirit goes back to God, Who gave it, so there might be some kind of out there, dunno

also, you say that all go, Jesus said that none have gone; Who am i to believe?

Seems Jesus is using contrast to make a point.
Where did Moses and Elijah come from when they appeared at the Transfiguration? (and many others)

well, good q i guess, although i dont take that so literally
could have been a tornado, and “the heavens” tho, if one insists upon reading history…but a contemporary audience would most likely have understood that an analogy was being made via exaggerating, as they were accustomed to that in Conquest Genre

 

[bbyrd009]

look really all im saying is that i would not be betting my current life that i will go to heaven someday, when the message might be to find the kingdom of heaven herenow, as difficult or impossible as that might seem.

I do like the message more than the eternal hellfire thing, but once again the messenger presenting it as an Absolute Truth is just a big tell. No one knows where they go when they die, and if someone tells you that they do, they are lying to you

 

[St. SteVen]

also, you say that all go, Jesus said that none have gone; Who am i to believe?

Seriously? Was that really necessary? Playing the God card? (to end all discussion) Thanks.
As if that is ALL Jesus ever said about the subject?

Again... Where did Moses and Elijah come from when they appeared at the Transfiguration?
And what about Enoch?

Hebrews 11:5 NIV
By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

 

[bbyrd009]

Seriously? Was that really necessary? Playing the God card? (to end all discussion) Thanks.
As if that is ALL Jesus ever said about the subject?

ha well i sure didnt mean that, as i dont know
more like "why would Jesus say that then?"

Again... Where did Moses and Elijah come from when they appeared at the Transfiguration?

and again, i suspect a little allegory/exaggeration to reinforce a point that leads to truth, or at least wisdom, although for all i know it was a literal manifestation, and maybe God was just more apparent to the eyes back then, hmm

And what about Enoch?

right? I would again ask why Jesus would apparently flatly refute the end of Enoch...but i have been in the Bible long enough to realize that pretty much every Scriptural tenet has a seemingly opposite counterpart,
No son of man may die for another's sins
Christ died for our sins
God so loved the world
leave the world
provide for your family
dont work for food
on and on, i could fill pages