Universalism is a dangerous doctrine

[Behold]

As far as being chosen by God

Noone is chosen by God to become a Christian.

God KNOWS .. (God's Foreknowledge) who will become one, but that is not the same as choosing them to become one.

God allows us to decide what we will BELIEVE.

 

[One 2 question]

Noone is chosen by God to become a Christian.

God KNOWS .. (God's Foreknowledge) who will become one, but that is not the same as choosing them to become one.

God allows us to decide what we will BELIEVE.

We may need to agree to disagree on this point.

As I am convinced that Jesus requires fellow kings and priests to serve in His upcoming 1000 year kingdom.

This global government which will be on His shoulders will be made up of hand picked trained ministers to carry out their specific portfolios. Therefore these chosen ministers from every nation, people, tribe and tongue are being called and prepared for their upcoming appointment when they are sworn in by the global President and King, JESUS.

Nothing random, no uncertainty when it comes to these appointments. The Divine script is already established in the Creator's mind. Foreknown and foreplanned by Him according to His eternal purpose.

 

[NotTheRock]

As I am convinced that Jesus requires fellow kings and priests to serve in His upcoming 1000 year kingdom.

Short video for your cognizance. :)

 

[One 2 question]

Short video for your cognizance. :)

Thanks. Again I'd agree to disagree with this guys interpretation.

But if 1000 represents a long period then great! The kingdom Jesus is going to establish on earth with His global government is going to be fantastic be it for 900 years, 1200 years. Some tie in Peter's take on 1000 years is as 1 day. I can't wait to return to planet earth with King Jesus the Great High Priest as a king and priest. And to have free reign over this earth with Satan out of the way for this period.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Universalism proceeds on the premise that all people are as God made them.And as God says,all things occur according to God's will and plan.
Ephesians 1:11.
Isaiah 45:7

Proverbs 16:4The Lord has worked[a] everything for his own ends—
even the wicked for the day of disaster.[c]

It's all thought to be the sovereign dominion of God. Even His Adversary is allowed by God to be Lord here.

And redemption isn't for an afterlife of only the few,but the all. Because we are all sinners first by God's will and are redeemed too by His will here on Earth. Because all He wills is for His glory.

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Isaiah 59:20 ►

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And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. What does Isaiah 59:20 mean? | Bible Art Isaiah 59:20 KJV: "And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord." In this verse, we are told of the coming of the Redeemer to Zion and to the people of Jacob who turn away from their transgressions. This verse not only serves as a... bible.art "...the symbolism of Zion and Jacob in this verse carries a broader message beyond the specific historical context of Israel. It speaks to the universal need for redemption and the inclusive nature of God's redemptive plan."

Which,it is said, is why God tells us we all go back to Him when this world is over. Because everything is of and from God.


Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Verse 10 below is one verse invoked by Christian Universalists.

1 Timothy 4
A Good Servant of Jesus Christ

6By pointing out these things to the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, nourished by the words of faith and sound instruction that you have followed.

7But reject irreverent, silly myths. Instead, train yourself for godliness. 8For physical exercise is of limited value, but godliness is valuable in every way, holding promise for the present life and for the one to come. 9This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance.

10To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of everyone, and especially of those who believe. 11Command and teach these things.

 

[One 2 question]

Universalism proceeds on the premise that all people are as God made them.And as God says,all things occur according to God's will and plan.

I don't know too much about universalism, so what do you mean by your comment, Universalism proceeds on the premise that all people are as God made them.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

I don't know too much about universalism, so what do you mean by your comment, Universalism proceeds on the premise that all people are as God made them.

What's confusing about that statement?

 

[NotTheRock]

I don't know too much about universalism, so what do you mean by your comment, Universalism proceeds on the premise that all people are as God made them.

My belief is that our Father has a purpose and a plan for everyone and so they are subjected to different experiences.

 

[Muna]

Ecc 9:11

I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

 

[One 2 question]

It's all thought to be the sovereign dominion of God. Even His Adversary is allowed by God to be Lord here.

Yes, for sure. When I reflected on this role Satan had taken on as God's adversary, I would feel for him. To the point that I prayed that his Sovereign Creator would have mercy on him.

I saw that God didn't only allow but created a script which included an adversary. And as this new role was needing to be filled Satan stepped forward. As John saw in his vision when he cried with sadness. A role of scroll bearer, seal breaker was available but no one made themselves available. Eventually the Lamb volunteered for the role.

Likewise, Satan volunteered for the role of the Devil. Yet the script writer always knew he was going to carry out this role.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Yes, for sure. When I reflected on this role Satan had taken on as God's adversary, I would feel for him. To the point that I prayed that his Sovereign Creator would have mercy on him.

I saw that God didn't only allow but created a script which included an adversary. And as this new role was needing to be filled Satan stepped forward. As John saw in his vision when he cried with sadness. A role of scroll bearer, seal breaker was available but no one made themselves available. Eventually the Lamb volunteered for the role.

Likewise, Satan volunteered for the role of the Devil. Yet the script writer always knew he was going to carry out this role.

Would you please post something to support that?

I suspect there's going to be quite a few who will take issue with your observations.

While I can certainly understand them.

If God forgives Sin and would that none should perish, what better example than to forgive an Angel and his sin?

Especially when ,as in Job, Satan was allowed by God to destroy the life of God's most faithful servant.

He was allowed to tempt The Word, Jesus, when Jesus was fasting in the desert for 40 days.

He was allowed to live after leading a war against God in Heaven. The first recorded sin against God.

I don't think he's God's adversary. I think he's meant to be understood as our adversary.

 

[One 2 question]

Would you please post something to support that?

This has been an ongoing revelation that the indwelling Holy Spirit of Truth has given. I'm glad what Jesus promised is continuing to be kept. The Spirit will lead us into all truth.

I suspect there's going to be quite a few who will take issue with your observations.

I guess in this case I'm only carrying out the role of a messenger. Again as Jesus said, make disciples. Teach them everything I teach you.

While I can certainly understand them.

Great. Praise God for His generosity and loving kindness that He shares Himself with us, including His script. As Jesus said, He, the Spirit of Truth will remind us of what He said (most was never recorded) and tell us of things to come. This must come directly from His Spirit.

If God forgives Sin and would that none should perish, what better example than to forgive an Angel and his sin?

Absolutely. The prodigal angel returns, repentant, sorrowful, remorseful seeking the forgiveness of his Creator. And the fantastic truth is, He will. This came to me from the Spirit of the Creator. I saw this in a vision 5 years ago and was an answer to my prayer that He would have mercy on the Devil.

Especially when ,as in Job, Satan was allowed by God to destroy the life of God's most faithful servant.

For sure. God's eternal purpose is very complex. It has so many layers that fulfil His myriad diverse desires.

He was allowed to tempt The Word, Jesus, when Jesus was fasting in the desert for 40 days.

Yes and Jesus told His disciples to ask His Father not to lead them into temptation but to deliver us from the evil of Satan. Jesus experienced His Father having His Spirit lead Him into the temptations of Satan. He knew how challenging it would be for them and us to go through this experience. So told us to pray accordingly.

He was allowed to live after leading a war against God in Heaven. The first recorded sin against God.

I don't think he's God's adversary. I think he's meant to be understood as our adversary.

He is God's appointed and equipped adversary. He has been given everything he requires to carry out this vital role. Of course, he's not his Creators rival but merely a designed and created tool in His hand. Like Jesus, Satan is carrying out his role in a functionally sound way, fulfilling a purpose for which he was created.

 

[NotTheRock]

Likewise, Satan volunteered for the role of the Devil.

Or God simply gave him that role. Remind me to ask God about that when we get to Heaven. ;)

 

[One 2 question]

Or God simply gave him that role. Remind me to ask God about that when we get to Heaven. ;)

Absolutely. The Creator before creating had a script from which His thought through plan was carried out. Satan was first imagined, created and controlled by his Creator.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Absolutely. The Creator before creating had a script from which His thought through plan was carried out. Satan was first imagined, created and controlled by his Creator.

Predestination.

 

[NotTheRock]

Predestination.

Pre-assigned?

I think God has laid out a path for all people for his purposes. So yes, I supposed God has a curriculum specially designed for each person.

 

[One 2 question]

Pre-assigned?

I think God has laid out a path for all people for his purposes. So yes, I supposed God has a curriculum specially designed for each person.

I was thinking just now how the Sovereign Creator has Satan bound and thrown into the abyss. Does Satan eventually break out himself? Or does Someone by their choosing release him so he can go fulfil his next task, to deceive all the nations on planet earth.

So yes, pre- assigned.

 

[Bladerunner]

Those who go to this holding cell called hell will not return from there for they haven't been tried and sentenced by God. But after they are, and cast into the lake of fire, then that is a different story.

A story that tells of the Creators love when He extends His mercy and grace to every judged offender and every condemned sinner. When His irresistible love can no longer be opposed, avoided, withstood, resisted. When every being will bow and submit to their Creator in repentance and faith. Having their hope that the Great High Priest will lift up His arms to declare that God has had mercy on them and that they are right with Him and can enter into His presence realised. Glory to God!

the Bible tells us Hell (Lake of Fire and Brimstone) is forever. Not hard to understand.

 

[NotTheRock]

I was thinking just now how the Sovereign Creator has Satan bound and thrown into the abyss. Does Satan eventually break out himself? Or does Someone by their choosing release him so he can go fulfil his next task, to deceive all the nations on planet earth.

So yes, pre- assigned.

I believe that Jesus will refine and restore all things, including Satan, prior to giving the Kingdom to God.

 

[NotTheRock]

the Bible tells us Hell (Lake of Fire and Brimstone) is forever. Not hard to understand.

Interestingly, brimstone is a refining agent. Why would a refining agent be used in the LOF?