Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures

[covenantee]

Not news.
Man against man in this world nothing new.

John 16:
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.


Rev 3:
[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


Do you think… any Men ARE kept from the Judgements (tribulation) to be sent down from heaven upon the whole Earth?
If so, WHY?
If not, WHY not?

Do you think …any men ARE kept from the Judgements (Tribulation) to be sent down from heaven upon the Whole Earth?
If so, HOW?

Aren't you proud of your rapture wimpism?

 

[Taken]

Rapture Wimpism

Any student of Scripture with even a cursory knowledge of the NT Church knows that tribulation in the form of persecution, suffering, and death has been the lot of the Church ever since its birth. From its persecution at the hands of the Jews, to that under the Roman emperors and empires, to that today under Islam and other ideologies; the Church's experience with tribulation has been unrelenting, and its death toll over the millennia is counted in the tens of millions.

In the NT, we see in the book of Acts a complete account of how the disciples and Christ's followers were hated and persecuted as Jesus had predicted (Matthew 24:9). In Acts 4: "And they laid hands on them [Peter and John], and put them in prison" (verse 3). In Acts 5, they were "beaten" (verse 40). As they departed from the "council", they rejoiced "that they were counted worthy to suffer for his name"(verse 41). In Acts 7, Stephen was killed for his stand (verses 54-60). In Acts 8:1 "There was a great persecution against the church." In Acts 16, Paul and Silas were beaten and cast into prison. In Acts 21, persecution resulted in Paul being beaten, and brought before rulers, before whom he testified (Acts 22). In Acts 22:19 we read that Paul confessed that prior to his conversion, he had "imprisoned and beaten in every synagogue" those who believed in Christ.

There was, and is, no lack of tribulation for the NT Church.

But deplorably, we see today a generation of what can best be described as “rapture wimps.” This generation of North American believers, the most “molycoddled and milquetoast” in the history of the Christian Church, seems in large part to believe that it is also entitled to escape the trials and privations which have beset the historic Church, and to be “...carried to the skies on flowery beds of ease” as the beloved hymn “Am I a Soldier of the Cross” describes.

The following partial enumeration of NT tribulation references...:

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

2 Corinthians 1:4
Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

1 Thessalonians 3:4
For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

...makes it clear that there is no room for rapture wimps in the Christian Church. In solidarity with other believers in parts of the world who suffer tribulation even as we read this, we must be prepared to, as did and do these, “fight to win the prize and sail through bloody seas”, as we see the hymnwriter further pen.


God has promised...:

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

...that we can be triumphant in Him even in the midst of tribulation. He promises us all of His grace and resources to make this a reality.


But the promise is only for those who refuse to be rapture wimps.

Your hate for us who have overcome the world in Christ is noted.

Your desire to continue In This World and not be not be, like Christ, delivered out of this world, is noted.

 

[Taken]

Aren't you proud of your rapture wimpism?

Scripture warns of men like you who make up their own gospel in contrast to Gods Gospel of Deliverance.
Your hate and foolish gospel has no temptation effect on me.

 

[covenantee]

Your hate for us who have overcome the world in Christ is noted.

Your desire to continue In This World and not be not be, like Christ, delivered out of this world, is noted.

I hate the cowardice of your rapture wimpism, and its refusal to believe John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, 2 Corinthians 1:4, 1 Thessalonians 3:4, Revelation 1:9, et al.

It is a betrayer of, and stain upon, the saints of the historical true Christian Church, and their faith and sacrifice in tribulation.

And your attempt to contort Christ, who endured the ultimate in tribulation, into a rapture wimp; is risible, detestable, and blasphemous.

 

[Taken]

I hate the cowardice of your rapture wimpism, and its refusal to believe John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, 2 Corinthians 1:4, 1 Thessalonians 3:4, Revelation 1:9, et al.

It is a betrayer of, and stain upon, the saints of the historical true Christian Church, and their faith and sacrifice in tribulation.

And your attempt to contort Christ into a rapture wimp is both risible and blasphemous.

Your hate is your dilemma, not mine.

Your gaslighting, dictating “I reject Scripture”, which I have never claimed, is simply your false testimony accounted to you, not me.

You rejection and derogatory intended implication to ESCAPE (as wimpy) Gods horrific Tribulations sent from Heaven upon the whole world… is as ignorant as thinking you can defy Gods Power or a mans mob against you…

Even Jesus exampled WISDOM to ESCAPE a mob who tried to stone Him to death!

John 10:
[39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Anyone with an ounce of functioning gray matter Knows ESCAPING danger is an act of WISDOM…. And to Not ESCAPE… is Foolish!

1 Cor 10:
[13] There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

2 Pet 2:
[18] For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

Wisdom triumphs over Ignorance all day long.

 

[covenantee]

Your hate is your dilemma, not mine.

Your gaslighting, dictating “I reject Scripture”, which I have never claimed, is simply your false testimony accounted to you, not me.

You rejection and derogatory intended implication to ESCAPE (as wimpy) Gods horrific Tribulations sent from Heaven upon the whole world… is as ignorant as thinking you can defy Gods Power or a mans mob against you…

Even Jesus exampled WISDOM to ESCAPE a mob who tried to stone Him to death!

John 10:
[39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Anyone with an ounce of functioning gray matter Knows ESCAPING danger is an act of WISDOM…. And to Not ESCAPE… is Foolish!

1 Cor 10:
[13] There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

2 Pet 2:
[18] For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

Wisdom triumphs over Ignorance all day long.

Yes, your Jesus was the ultimate escape artist, wasn't He?

He escaped the tribulation of the Cross, didn't He?

Typical and predictable dispensational balderdash.

There's no ignorance that can match dispensational ignorance.

 

[Taken]

Yes, your Jesus was the ultimate escape artist, wasn't He?

You speaking of your Jesus with foolishness and giggles, is of no surprise.

He escaped the tribulation of the Cross, didn't He?

No.
Any astute student of Scripture should know Christ the Lord Jesus’ death on His cross was Planned!

Had enough of your nauseating foolishness…

 

[covenantee]

You speaking of your Jesus with foolishness and giggles, is of no surprise.



No.
Any astute student of Scripture should know Christ the Lord Jesus’ death on His cross was Planned!

Had enough of your nauseating foolishness…

Throw your abhorrent rapture wimpist dispenblasphemies back into the pit from whence they come.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. And IF you had been paying attention… numerous times… I have said… I am, IN CHRIST.
Are you unaware His Body is Risen up…?




Yep. That IS nonsense.




Uh gaslighter… That nonsense IS “Your Words”… not mine!!!

Take an English class and learn how to communicate and then get back to me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not news.
Man against man in this world nothing new.

John 16:
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.


Rev 3:
[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


Do you think… any Men ARE kept from the Judgements (tribulation) to be sent down from heaven upon the whole Earth?
If so, WHY?
If not, WHY not?

Do you think …any men ARE kept from the Judgements (Tribulation) to be sent down from heaven upon the Whole Earth?
If so, HOW?

Why are you equating God's judgments and wrath with temptation? You are constantly twisting scripture to make it say what you want it to say.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your hate for us who have overcome the world in Christ is noted.

Your desire to continue In This World and not be not be, like Christ, delivered out of this world, is noted.

We don't need to be delivered out of this world until the wrath of the Lamb comes on the day He returns to destroy the earth with fire (2 Peter 3:10-12). We certainly don't need to be taken out of the world to avoid temptation, as you think Revelation 3:10 teaches. Why do you think that we need to leave the world in order to avoid being deceived? That's nonsense. Or, is the real issue that you are afraid of persecution that occurs during a time of great temptation and wickedness?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You speaking of your Jesus with foolishness and giggles, is of no surprise.



No.
Any astute student of Scripture should know Christ the Lord Jesus’ death on His cross was Planned!

Had enough of your nauseating foolishness…

There are few things more foolish than thinking we will be taken out of the world to avoid an hour of temptation and testing because of foolishly conflating temptation and testing with God's wrath.

 

[Taken]

@marks ~ yipes, sometimes ya just have to leave the snarky jokers to play their nonsense when they are incapable of discussing Spiritual things.

God bless. Hope all is well.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[marks]

@marks ~ yipes, sometimes ya just have to leave the snarky jokers to play their nonsense when they are incapable of discussing Spiritual things.

God bless. Hope all is well.

Glory to God,
Taken

Doing fine, thank you! It becomes evident there will be no fruitfulness, so best to walk away.

Much love!