Until the Spirit from on High is Poured Upon Us.

[Keraz]

Isaiah 32:1-8 A ruler and his ministers will reign in righteousness and justice, they will be as a refuge from a storm, like shade from a great rock in a thirsty land.
Jeremiah 3:5, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

Then, those who see, will see clearly and the minds of the heedless people will come to understanding and knowledge. Isaiah 29:23-24, Isaiah 32:3-4

No longer will the fool be called noble or villains be considered honourable All those types will be shown for what they are. Their plans are evil and they deny justice to the poor and needy. But, he who is of noble mind, will make good plans and stand firm in them. Ecclesiastes 8:5b, Philippians 4:8

Isaiah 32:9-14 You complacent people; listen to what I have to say: you may be carefree now, but after many years, your vintage will fail. Be terrified, you without a care, you women at ease will go into mourning – for My people’s Land will be forsaken and deserted, an open pasture for the animals.
Zechariah 1:14-18, Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Psalms 60:1-5, Joel 1:1-20, Jeremiah 10:18

Isaiah 32:15-17 Until a Spirit from on high is lavished upon us. Isaiah 44:3, Ezekiel 37:14
Then the wilderness will become a garden land, everywhere, fertile fields. Justice and righteousness will fill the Land, peace and quiet trust will prevail for that time.

Isaiah 32:18-20 And My people will live in a tranquil country, dwelling in undisturbed peace and security. It will be cool on the slopes of the forested hills, and the towns will lie peacefully in the plains.* Happy you will be tilling and sowing everywhere beside water, your herds and flocks grazing freely. Isaiah 49:9-13, Hosea 2:14-23, Ezekiel 36:33-36, Amos 9:13-15
Ref: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

Chapter 32 of Isaiah, describes beautifully, how the Lord’s Land is cleared in order for His righteous people, faithful Christians; to live there, as promised to the Patriarchs, and for them to be a “light to the nations”. They will rebuild the Temple, Zechariah 6:15, and send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 14:1-7

Verses 1-8 These verses describe how the Lord’s people will live in justice and in the knowledge of truth, when they settle into all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 31:27-34

V. 9-14 Is the result of the forthcoming, terrifying, Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the prophesied judgement of fire mentioned over 100 times in the Bible, that will most severely affect all the Middle East leaving it ‘forsaken and deserted’. Jeremiah 9:10

This has not happened as described in the past, but it will be the result of a huge C.M.E. fireball ejected from the sun and the rest of the world will suffer severe infrastructure damage and deaths. Jeremiah 25:15-33, Isaiah 2:19-21 It quickly passes, leaving the world to recover and the Land of Israel is soon regenerated. Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24

V. 15-20 When the Lord’s faithful Christian people are called out of whichever nation they belong to now, Revelation 5:9-10, they will emigrate to the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:4, that is: to all that Land promised to Abraham. Then the Lord will send His Spirit upon them and they will live in peace and security. Ezekiel 37:14

Note*; The translation differences of verse 19, some Bible versions say the towns are ‘low’ or ‘levelled’, but the R.E.Bible renders it correctly and in the right context.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Chapter 32 of Isaiah, describes beautifully, how the Lord’s Land is cleared in order for His righteous people, faithful Christians; to live there, as promised to the Patriarchs, and for them to be a “light to the nations”. They will rebuild the Temple, Zechariah 6:15, and send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 14:1-7

Wrong. It iwll be faithful Jews who live in teh land. Your replacement tyheology language by making the church Israel now is dreadful and wrong.

 

[Earburner]

Two wrongs don't make a right!

While God spoke His "IF/THEN" prophecies for/against Israel, He often interjected His hidden truth of the Messiah to come.
John 5
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

If all would stop looking for prophecies about Israel, and seek those that are about "The Promise to come", who was Jesus, they would have a truthful understanding of how the NT interprets the book of Revelation, and not the other way around!
Most here do not understand that the Holy Spirit is still being poured out during the present Age of God's Grace.
EDIT:
That was prophesied of in KJV Daniel 9:27, and it's fulfillment being revealed in Acts 10:45.

 

[Keraz]

It iwll be faithful Jews who live in teh land.

Romans 2:29 tells us who is a faithful Jew. A person who is circumcised of the heart.
That is: anybody who believes in the Lord Jesus and who keeps the Commandments.

Your insistence of an ethnic people being Gods special peoples, is totally out of line with Bible teaching.
Jesus tells us what the people who call themselves Jews really are. Revelation 2:9 & 3:9

Most here do not understand that the Holy Spirit is still being poured out during the present Age of God's Grace.

Isaiah 32:15 and Ezekiel 39:28-29, +, make it clear that the Lord will pour His Spirit upon His faithful Christian peoples when they settle in all of the Holy Land.
I agree that now; individuals do receive the Holy Spirit. The Lords corporate, national Blessings await a future time.

 

[Earburner]

Romans 2:29 tells us who is a faithful Jew. A person who is circumcised of the heart.
That is: anybody who believes in the Lord Jesus and who keeps the Commandments.

Your insistence of an ethnic people being Gods special peoples, is totally out of line with Bible teaching.
Jesus tells us what the people who call themselves Jews really are. Revelation 2:9 & 3:9

Isaiah 32:15 and Ezekiel 39:28-29, +, make it clear that the Lord will pour His Spirit upon His faithful Christian peoples when they settle in all of the Holy Land.
I agree that now; individuals do receive the Holy Spirit. The Lords corporate, national Blessings await a future time.

What future time are you referring to?
It's NOW, while a person who has breath.
Rom. 8:8-9.
For all who have not the Holy Spirit upon the visible and Glorious return of the Lord from Heaven, in flaming fire, their time for salvation will be over!! They WILL BE those who are described in Rom. 8:9.

See also KJV 1 Thess. 2:7-10, and look for the word "when" in two places of those verses.

 

[Keraz]

It's NOW, while a person who has breath

We are not in disagreement, every person who accepts salvation thru Jesus, receives the Holy Spirit. As per the verses you point out.
But the ones I have pointed out, show how the Lord will send His Spirit to the new Christian nation, as they live in all of the Holy Land.

As for when this will happen, it will be after the terrible Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal world changing disaster.

 

[covenantee]

Romans 2:29 tells us who is a faithful Jew. A person who is circumcised of the heart.
That is: anybody who believes in the Lord Jesus and who keeps the Commandments.

Your insistence of an ethnic people being Gods special peoples, is totally out of line with Bible teaching.
Jesus tells us what the people who call themselves Jews really are. Revelation 2:9 & 3:9

True, amen.

The Lords corporate, national Blessings await a future time.

There is but one Nation who receives the Lord's blessings.

It is the Holy Nation known as His Church. Matthew 21:43; 1 Peter 2:5,9

His blessings have been flowing since Calvary. Ephesians 1:3

No awaiting involved.

 

[Keraz]

It is the Holy Nation known as His Church

The Church is a holy nation? Thats a new one.

The Church is a vast conglomeration of denominations, sects and cults.
The Holy Nation is every true faithful Christian individual, who could be members of any of the above, or just loners.
This truth is proved by how there are some people who are Overcomers in each of the seven Churchs of Revelation 2 and 3. The rest, presumably; are not true Christians. The ones Jesus says are lukewarm, etc.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Romans 2:29 tells us who is a faithful Jew. A person who is circumcised of the heart.
That is: anybody who believes in the Lord Jesus and who keeps the Commandments.

Wrong, He is talking about the Israel of God.

Your insistence of an ethnic people being Gods special peoples, is totally out of line with Bible teaching.
Jesus tells us what the people who call themselves Jews really are. Revelation 2:9 & 3:9

No it is exactly iin line with the Insapired Word of God.

god made a specific covenant that is eternal with Abraham and his physical offspring.

He confirmed that covenant with Isaac and his offspring and then reconfirmed it to Jacob (Israel) and his offspring. He said Israel would be scattered from their land, then in the end times be brought back to their land. According to your replacement theology hypothesis that means the church. but the church was never promised a land, but heaven.

All the OT prophecies concerning the nation of Israel do not now mean they belong to the church.

So you take a passage that talks about unsaved jews and force it to apply to all Israel? that is failed. hermeneutics.

I have repeatedly shown you that God is bringing the nation of Israel back to her land, in unbelief, to judge them, purge the rebels from them and refine them and save them

Matt. 24, Ez. 20, Zech 13, Romans 11, Rev. 12 all confirm this.

You dreaw your false conclusions by reinterpreting the plain words of Scripture anduse an allegorical method of hermeneutics.

 

[covenantee]

The Church is a holy nation? Thats a new one.

Where have you been? Whom do you think Matthew 21:43 and 1 Peter 2:5,9 are referring to?

The Holy Nation is every true faithful Christian individual

Of course. Collectively, the Church.

 

[covenantee]

According to your replacement theology hypothesis that means the church.

Has the Church replaced Israel's physical DNA? No.
Has the Church replaced the room at the Cross for anyone of Israel wishing to receive Christ? No.
Has the Church replaced any opportunity for anyone of Israel to receive Christ? No.

Your "replacement theology" is total tripe.

 

[Keraz]

Where have you been? Whom do you think Matthew 21:43 and 1 Peter 2:5,9 are referring to?

Of course. Collectively, the Church.

Sure. But not yet gathered into the Holy Land, as many Prophesies say will happen. Isaiah 62:1-5

RN thinks the mixed race citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, will all [at least mostly] be redeemed and restored as Gods people.
This idea is an integral part of the 'rapture to heaven' theory. That and a rapture, is never going to happen, to the shock and horror of the millions who have been sucked in by that false teaching.

 

[covenantee]

Sure. But not yet gathered into the Holy Land, as many Prophesies say will happen. Isaiah 62:1-5

RN thinks the mixed race citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, will all [at least mostly] be redeemed and restored as Gods people.
This idea is an integral part of the 'rapture to heaven' theory. That and a rapture, is never going to happen, to the shock and horror of the millions who have been sucked in by that false teaching.

1 Peter 2:5,9 were written in the present tense.

The Church was already gathered, and being gathered, as a Holy Nation, from then until now.

RN is an emissary of deluded dispensational racism and rapturism.

 

[Earburner]

We are not in disagreement, every person who accepts salvation thru Jesus, receives the Holy Spirit. As per the verses you point out.
But the ones I have pointed out, show how the Lord will send His Spirit to the new Christian nation, as they live in all of the Holy Land.

As for when this will happen, it will be after the terrible Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal world changing disaster.

New Christian nation??
The sixth seal is the Lord returning in all His Immortal Glory, in flaming fire. 2 Thes. 1:7-10
You are saying that after Jesus visibly returns from heaven, salvation will still be offered AGAIN to the unsaved, who took the mark of the beast?? That is impossible

 

[Earburner]

The Church is a holy nation? Thats a new one.

Not the visible church, filled with "copy cat" religionists, trying to be like Jesus' saints (Rom. 8:9), but rather the invisible church of His born again saints, who DO HAVE the literal Spirit of Christ, and are peppered among all the denominations. Rom. 8:8.

 

[Earburner]

Sure. But not yet gathered into the Holy Land, as many Prophesies say will happen. Isaiah 62:1-5

I don't think that you are fully understanding all of Gal. Ch. 4.
There are only two prophetic "mothers" named Jerusalem being spoken of in all the NT scriptures.
One is fallen, and is now with us.
The other is above, and is free, which is the mother of us all [who have faith in Jesus as their Savior].
Jerusalem, which is above, IS NOT going to join up with Jerusalem that IS FALLEN!

 

[Keraz]

I don't think that you are fully understanding all of Gal. Ch. 4.

What I am showing in this thread, is how the Christian peoples will gather and live in all of the Holy Land, BEFORE Jesus Returns.
Unfortunately, this truth is blocked and hidden from all who have believed other theories and fables. Isaiah 29:9-12

At the very least, those who read my posts, will have seen this possibility and when it happens after the Lord has sent His fiery wrath and cleared and cleansed His Holy Land, you will see the truth of it. Isaiah 35:1-10

 

[Earburner]

What I am showing in this thread, is how the Christian peoples will gather and live in all of the Holy Land, BEFORE Jesus Returns.
Unfortunately, this truth is blocked and hidden from all who have believed other theories and fables. Isaiah 29:9-12

At the very least, those who read my posts, will have seen this possibility and when it happens after the Lord has sent His fiery wrath and cleared and cleansed His Holy Land, you will see the truth of it. Isaiah 35:1-10

Are you looking for Jesus in the OT scriptures, or do you just want to see Jerusalem in Israel, that now is?

If you interpret Isaiah 35:1-10 literally, by your own "natural" mind, you will only see Israel and not the words that describe Jesus and what he can do and does for each of us, who are born again of His Spirit.
John 5
[39] Search the scriptures [ie. Isaiah]; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, BUT in the power of God.

1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Heavenly Jerusalem (Zion) has nothing to do with earthly Jerusalem (the daughter of Zion*), which "is fallen". Gal. Ch. 4.

Born again Christians are NOT going to flock to Jerusalem that now is, to meet Jesus! Luke 17[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
1 Thes. 4
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to MEET the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

*Note: Zech.9
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

 

[Keraz]

If you interpret Isaiah 35:1-10 literally, by your own "natural" mind, you will only see Israel and not the words that describe Jesus and what he can do and does for each of us, who are born again of His Spirit.

Isaiah 35 is a literal description of how the Lords faithful peoples will gather and march into the Holy Land, soon after all that area is depopulated by His vengeance and retribution. Verse 4b.
THEN understanding will be given and gladness and joy will come upon them, as they live in peace and prosperity in Zion.

Proved by how John, after the Sixth Seal; sees all the Christian peoples there. Revelation 7:9

 

[Earburner]

Isaiah 35 is a literal description of how the Lords faithful peoples will gather and march into the Holy Land, soon after all that area is depopulated by His vengeance and retribution. Verse 4b.
THEN understanding will be given and gladness and joy will come upon them, as they live in peace and prosperity in Zion.

Oh yes, the "holy land" will be depopulated, but not by God!!
We are in the beginning stages of WW3 (not Armageddon) right now, according to KJV Rev. 9:13-21.

The only reason WW3 has not fully commenced, is because the Banking Elite (Beast having 10H) are not totally ready to roll out the "MoB" through their Digital ID and Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs).
However, their new economic paradigm will be revealed this year in 2024.

Once the MoB has been revealed, the four countries* that border the Euphrates (aka symbolized as angels), who are "bound" by their Islamic religion, will be "loosed", whereby 1/3 of the population of the world will be killed off (mutually destroyed).

*Note: Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran