Virgin birth?

[jaybird]

WRONG.

I just quoted from the ORIGINAL Nicene Creed, which calls the Holy Spirit, "The Lord" - who is WORSHIPPED and GLORIFIED with the Father and Son. Only GOD is to be worshipped . . .

ok maybe i am wrong

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
begotten from the Father, only-begotten,
that is, from the substance of the Father,
God from God,
light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten not made,
of one substance with the Father,
through Whom all things came into being,
things in heaven and things on earth,
Who because of us men and because of our salvation came down,
and became incarnate
and became man,
and suffered,
and rose again on the third day,
and ascended to the heavens,
and will come to judge the living and dead,
And in the Holy Spirit.

so where did this come from? we have multiple sources claiming this is the original 325 creed. is this a non trin conspiricy which is strange because the sources are pro trin.

 

[BreadOfLife]

ok maybe i am wrong

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
begotten from the Father, only-begotten,
that is, from the substance of the Father,
God from God,
light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten not made,
of one substance with the Father,
through Whom all things came into being,
things in heaven and things on earth,
Who because of us men and because of our salvation came down,
and became incarnate
and became man,
and suffered,
and rose again on the third day,
and ascended to the heavens,
and will come to judge the living and dead,
And in the Holy Spirit.

so where did this come from? we have multiple sources claiming this is the original 325 creed. is this a non trin conspiricy which is strange because the sources are pro trin.

And since the OLDEST manuscript that exists of the original text is from the 6th century – 200 years AFTER Nicaea and Constantinople - your point can be debated. HOWEVER, let's assume your text is correct.

The text YOU posted teaches the TRINITY. It begins with:
"We believe in ONE GOD, the Father almighty, maker of all things visible and invisible . . ."

Then, STILL describing the ONE GOD, it says:
“And” in one Lord, Jesus Christ, . . ."
Then, it continues with the statements about the Son being “God from God”, “ true God from true God”, etc.

Then, STILL describing the ONE GOD, it concludes with:
“And” the Holy Spirit.”

The Church defines doctrines and dogmas when they are called into question or challenged. – as with the case of the Arian Heresy at Nicaea in 325 - and the Nestorian Heresy at Ephesus in 431. The entire Council of Nicaea dealt with the nature of God because Arius had been teaching that Jesus Christ was NOT God - so the Trinity WAS addressed and explained later in more detail.

 

[jaybird]

And since the OLDEST manuscript that exists of the original text is from the 6th century – 200 years AFTER Nicaea and Constantinople - your point can be debated. HOWEVER, let's assume your text is correct.

The text YOU posted teaches the TRINITY. It begins with:
"We believe in ONE GOD, the Father almighty, maker of all things visible and invisible . . ."

Then, STILL describing the ONE GOD, it says:
“And” in one Lord, Jesus Christ, . . ."
Then, it continues with the statements about the Son being “God from God”, “ true God from true God”, etc.

Then, STILL describing the ONE GOD, it concludes with:
“And” the Holy Spirit.”

The Church defines doctrines and dogmas when they are called into question or challenged. – as with the case of the Arian Heresy at Nicaea in 325 - and the Nestorian Heresy at Ephesus in 431. The entire Council of Nicaea dealt with the nature of God because Arius had been teaching that Jesus Christ was NOT God - so the Trinity WAS addressed and explained later in more detail.

you didnt really answer the question but thats about normal with you, always dodging the facts.

the spirit was never part of the Arius heresy.

 

[jaybird]

WRONG.

I just quoted from the ORIGINAL Nicene Creed, which calls the Holy Spirit, "The Lord" - who is WORSHIPPED and GLORIFIED with the Father and Son. Only GOD is to be worshipped . . .

you know this is not true. the spirit was never part of the equation until the next council. the spirit was never part of the Arias contro. you know this.

 

[BreadOfLife]

you didnt really answer the question but thats about normal with you, always dodging the facts.
the spirit was never part of the Arius heresy.

you know this is not true. the spirit was never part of the equation until the next council. the spirit was never part of the Arias contro. you know this.

WRONG - and you speak like a person who truly doesn't know God.
Virtually EVERY heresy begins with a misconception of the nature of God - and Arius's heresy was NO different.

The Council of Nicea - like the Councils that followed ALL dealt with different aspects of the nature of God because of the WIDE variety of heretical errors being taught: Arianism, Nestorianism, Montanism, Sabellianism, etc. At these Councils, ALL of the Persons of the Trinity were discussed, defined, reiterated, etc. because ALL of these heresies perverted the nature of God.