Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

WalterandDebbie

Well-Known Member
Dec 14, 2009
4,531
3,166
113
77
USA
firstthings1sttab.tripod.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Monday 12-12-22 2nd. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Kislev 17, 5783 82nd. Fall Day

…weeks on the gestation of Christ‘s birth. Thus we cannot just count a fixed number of weeks to determine when Christ was born. Then Jesus could have been born in the May-to-March period. In summary, attempting to determine the date of Christ‘ birth by starting with the occasion when Zacharias served in the temple has serious flaws.


How old was Jesus when the wise men found Him?​

https://www.neverthirsty.org › Bible Q&As




Nov 1, 2017 — The gospel of Matthew reveals that Jesus was about two years of age when the wise men or magi visited Him. It is amazing all the information that Scripture ...
Where was Jesus when the wise men found Him and gave ...
Oct 21, 2016
Can we determine the date of Christ's birth from the visit of the ...
Mar 16, 2019
More results from www.neverthirsty.org

Love, Walter and Debbie
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: shortangel

NagaMorningstar

New Member
Dec 13, 2022
12
4
3
41
Florida
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
A birth on sukkoth would make sense to me since it was in a manger which is shown as a 3 walled booth.

Christmas seems more in line with his death and rebirth and with the overcoming experience aka 3 days in heart of the earth which is being “born again.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: shortangel

WalterandDebbie

Well-Known Member
Dec 14, 2009
4,531
3,166
113
77
USA
firstthings1sttab.tripod.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Dec 18th is my spiritual re-birthday - I will be 45. So this Christmas is the 45th one since I became a Christian.
Well! Happy birthday my dear, for when that day comes, the Lord be willing for you to see for yourself :)
Numbers 6:24-26

24 The Lord bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Love, Walter
 
  • Like
Reactions: shortangel

Pearl

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Apr 9, 2019
11,550
17,541
113
Lancashire
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Well! Happy birthday my dear, for when that day comes, the Lord be willing for you to see for yourself :)
Numbers 6:24-26

24 The Lord bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Love, Walter
I have a little plaque in my garden with that verse on it.
 

Taken

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Feb 6, 2018
24,598
13,001
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States

Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth​

OP^


In Brief...

BORN...Hebrew Lunar Calendar (Month) Nisan, (Year) 6 BC., (Day 14-15, which is First Day
New moon.
(Georgian Calendar Nisan = mid March-April).

DIED....Hebrew Lunar Calendar (Month) Nisan, (33 years later), (Day 14-15) Full moon.


Glory to God,
Taken
 

WalterandDebbie

Well-Known Member
Dec 14, 2009
4,531
3,166
113
77
USA
firstthings1sttab.tripod.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States

Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth​

OP^


In Brief...

BORN...Hebrew Lunar Calendar (Month) Nisan, (Year) 6 BC., (Day 14-15, which is First Day
New moon.
(Georgian Calendar Nisan = mid March-April).

DIED....Hebrew Lunar Calendar (Month) Nisan, (33 years later), (Day 14-15) Full moon.


Glory to God,
Taken
Hello Taken, and thank you for your input.

Walter
 
  • Like
Reactions: Taken

Mr E

Well-Known Member
Aug 17, 2022
3,614
2,597
113
San Diego
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Where did the Dec 25 idea come from? Here is a list of gods born of a virgin on December 25th according to historical accounts.


HORUS

Born December 25th by a virgin about 3,000 years before Christ.

BUDDHA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 563 years before Christ.

KRISHNA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 900 years before Christ.

ZARATHUSTRA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 1,000 years before Christ.

HERCULES
Born December 25th by a virgin about 800 years before Christ.

MITHRA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 600 years before Christ.

DIONYSUS
Born December 25th by a virgin about 500 years before Christ.

THAMMUZ
Born December 25th by a virgin about 400 years before Christ.

HERMES
Born December 25th by a virgin about 200 years before Christ.

ADONIS
Born December 25th by a virgin about 200 years before Christ.

YAHSHUA THE CHRIST
Born December 25th by a virgin about 1 AD.


Source: world history.
 

NagaMorningstar

New Member
Dec 13, 2022
12
4
3
41
Florida
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Where did the Dec 25 idea come from? Here is a list of gods born of a virgin on December 25th according to historical accounts.


HORUS

Born December 25th by a virgin about 3,000 years before Christ.

BUDDHA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 563 years before Christ.

KRISHNA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 900 years before Christ.

ZARATHUSTRA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 1,000 years before Christ.

HERCULES
Born December 25th by a virgin about 800 years before Christ.

MITHRA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 600 years before Christ.

DIONYSUS
Born December 25th by a virgin about 500 years before Christ.

THAMMUZ
Born December 25th by a virgin about 400 years before Christ.

HERMES
Born December 25th by a virgin about 200 years before Christ.

ADONIS
Born December 25th by a virgin about 200 years before Christ.

YAHSHUA THE CHRIST
Born December 25th by a virgin about 1 AD.


Source: world history.
Dec 25th comes from the fact that the sun appears to move 1 degree each day on the horizon sunrise then on Dec 22nd it appears to stop moving for 3 days and on Dec 25th sunrise you can again see the the apparent 1 degree movement back the other way.

It also mirrors the 3 day overcoming/victory experience that is also called 3 days in heart of the earth, sign of Jonah (in the whale), baptism by fire, circumcision of heart, etc. I’ve had the experience and saw Jesus with eyes of fire (rev 1:14-15) like Daniel and Ezekiel saw.
 

WalterandDebbie

Well-Known Member
Dec 14, 2009
4,531
3,166
113
77
USA
firstthings1sttab.tripod.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Where did the Dec 25 idea come from? Here is a list of gods born of a virgin on December 25th according to historical accounts.


HORUS

Born December 25th by a virgin about 3,000 years before Christ.

BUDDHA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 563 years before Christ.

KRISHNA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 900 years before Christ.

ZARATHUSTRA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 1,000 years before Christ.

HERCULES
Born December 25th by a virgin about 800 years before Christ.

MITHRA
Born December 25th by a virgin about 600 years before Christ.

DIONYSUS
Born December 25th by a virgin about 500 years before Christ.

THAMMUZ
Born December 25th by a virgin about 400 years before Christ.

HERMES
Born December 25th by a virgin about 200 years before Christ.

ADONIS
Born December 25th by a virgin about 200 years before Christ.

YAHSHUA THE CHRIST
Born December 25th by a virgin about 1 AD.


Source: world history.
Thank you, Mr. E

Walter
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mr E

Taken

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Encounter Team
Feb 6, 2018
24,598
13,001
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Hello Taken, and thank you for your input.

Walter

Hi W & D~

Jesus Birth “clues”, are scriptural, but not plain.

in brief...
* Knowing historically “shepherds” stayed out all Night in the fields, with their “sheep” flocks during “birthing” season...ie Spring/ according to Hebrew lunar calendar, Nisan, Georgian Calendar...April/March....
(Shepherds in the fields were first told of Jesus’ Birth...(The Lamb OF God).
Luke 2:...background.
Luke 2: 7 & 8....Jesus’ birth was at night, and Shepards were told (by Angels) at night of Jesus’ birth.

* Pryor to Ex 40, God is telling Moses, what and how to Build a structure unto God.
Ex 40: 1 & 2, Moses is told to gather the congregation to the Tabernacle.
A “Tabernacle” is notice of Gods Presence “WITH” men gathered together to Praise God.
(First Day of the First Month...again, Nisan.)
. (Later, all such Structures call “Gods House of Prayer”.)
Isa 56:7
Matt 21:13

* Exodus....mans sacrificing of Lambs, (BLOOD and BODY) (unblemished and One Year Old)...At Passover. (Other specific animals also accepted).
God knows a mans circumstances AND EFFORT.
Ex 12:3
(Full animal offered for For the mans forgiveness, called a Sin Offering. Lev. 4
“BLOOD, FLESH, DUNG of animal “not burned or eaten.

* Jesus (Gods presence) sent and dwelt among men.
John 1:14

* Prelude... The “unexpected” is revealed with “authority” higher than “earthly kings”....
Dan 2:46 - 49

* Maji...(early star gazers recognizing Scriptural prophecy revealed in the Stars). (not modern day astrology).
*
His “Star” prophecy.
Num 24:17

( Was literally a lining up of plants in such a fashion to light the sky as a huge bright star, and has not by any notable record been recorded again.)
* Maji....traveled from the East and presented Gifts to Jesus, Befitting gifts reserved to be given TO a King.)

Isa 60:6
(I think once they saw the “Star” and began their travels, it was approx. a 2 Year journey)

* Other texts that have to do with Rabbi’s...and Jesus’ birth during particular appointed “godly men”...(Preacher/Rabbi)
* Jesus being buried in an unused Cave/Tomb, having been “prepared” for a High Priest...(Joseph Of Arimathaea, a Jewish Sanhedrin, offered his personal burial Cave for Jesus’ burial.) (Joseph being the same Joseph who solicited and received permission to Collect Jesus’ body and bury it.)
In Brief...Hebrew Tradition and Custom...bury dead body’s before sundown...
Wash the body, shroud the body, strips of fabric wound around the body to secure the shroud, pounds of flowers and spices tucked in about the strips of fabric, and a napkin (small piece of fabric to cover the face) The face would be washed, anointed with oil and covered with the napkin.
Custom “etiquette” historically...A “napkin” when “dining”. If a person “dining” must leave the table temporarily, and INTENDS to RETURN .... (that his plate, food, should NOT be gathered up off the table)....that person LEAVES his “napkin FOLDED” and setting beside his plate.

*
The face cloth Napkin Jesus was buried with was NOT within his burial shroud, but set to the side.
John 20:7
(Indicating His intent to RETURN....rise up to Life in his Body.....)?

* Jesus’ burial was rushed....Evening was approaching...It was a Preparation Day FOR the Holy Day....Holy Day was approaching whereby no work was to be done....Putting spices/flowers, had to be gathered, taken to the tomb...and was not accomplished at the time Jesus was placed in the tomb.
* After the Holy Day passed, women brought spices and set off to put spices about the shroud on Jesus’ Body....but when they arrived at the tomb...
Jesus’ body had risen, his burial shroud lay where His Body was laid, and the Napkin folded/tied setting aside.

* Some claim, and I agree, Gentile men calling themselves “catholics”, have had great (ancient and historical) interest in searching and gathering any and all TEXTS, from ancient and historical days, OF scribes, recorders, scrolls, etc. that pertains to ancient history, particularly regarding God, Jesus, Religious aspects....AND have a very extensive Library (hall of records), that few “of the population at large have had ACCESS to view, read, study).
* Some claim, A Catholic man, reviewed information in texts speaking of Jesus’ Birth being the First day, in the Hebrew month of Nisan.
Apparently this Catholic man, believe that possible, as well it possible Jesus was born in December, according to the Julian...and Following Georgian calendar month....
So goes the suspicion is...this same man, Had text according to the Hebrew Lunar Calendar, but added a notation of his suspicion of possibly December.
Who or Why December was “established” the Catholic Churches’ official position....IDK...never attended “their” exclusive “Councils”.

* Supposedly WHEN the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, and examined at length, A Jewish Calendar appears within the Text, in their historical native language....and verifies, the Jewish month of Nisan as the time of Jesus’ Birth.
* The Scrolls first discovered by a Shepherd in 1947...and discovery of more up to 1956....at various times...were offered for sale, were also under authority of Jordan’s gov’.,...and without doubt of great interest to all high ranking religious leaders to see, inspect, study....and became under Israel’s authority, in 1967 (Palestinian/Israel 6 day war).
* Israel maintains the Scrolls, which are:
** Old, fragile, fragments.
** Painstakingly studied.
** being translated into other languages and posted online.
** Maintained in an Israeli Museum.

Glory to God,
Taken







 
  • Like
Reactions: WalterandDebbie

WalterandDebbie

Well-Known Member
Dec 14, 2009
4,531
3,166
113
77
USA
firstthings1sttab.tripod.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Hi W & D~

Jesus Birth “clues”, are scriptural, but not plain.

in brief...
* Knowing historically “shepherds” stayed out all Night in the fields, with their “sheep” flocks during “birthing” season...ie Spring/ according to Hebrew lunar calendar, Nisan, Georgian Calendar...April/March....
(Shepherds in the fields were first told of Jesus’ Birth...(The Lamb OF God).
Luke 2:...background.
Luke 2: 7 & 8....Jesus’ birth was at night, and Shepards were told (by Angels) at night of Jesus’ birth.

* Pryor to Ex 40, God is telling Moses, what and how to Build a structure unto God.
Ex 40: 1 & 2, Moses is told to gather the congregation to the Tabernacle.
A “Tabernacle” is notice of Gods Presence “WITH” men gathered together to Praise God.
(First Day of the First Month...again, Nisan.)
. (Later, all such Structures call “Gods House of Prayer”.)
Isa 56:7
Matt 21:13

* Exodus....mans sacrificing of Lambs, (BLOOD and BODY) (unblemished and One Year Old)...At Passover. (Other specific animals also accepted).
God knows a mans circumstances AND EFFORT.
Ex 12:3
(Full animal offered for For the mans forgiveness, called a Sin Offering. Lev. 4
“BLOOD, FLESH, DUNG of animal “not burned or eaten.

* Jesus (Gods presence) sent and dwelt among men.
John 1:14

* Prelude... The “unexpected” is revealed with “authority” higher than “earthly kings”....
Dan 2:46 - 49

* Maji...(early star gazers recognizing Scriptural prophecy revealed in the Stars). (not modern day astrology).
*
His “Star” prophecy.
Num 24:17

( Was literally a lining up of plants in such a fashion to light the sky as a huge bright star, and has not by any notable record been recorded again.)
* Maji....traveled from the East and presented Gifts to Jesus, Befitting gifts reserved to be given TO a King.)

Isa 60:6
(I think once they saw the “Star” and began their travels, it was approx. a 2 Year journey)

* Other texts that have to do with Rabbi’s...and Jesus’ birth during particular appointed “godly men”...(Preacher/Rabbi)
* Jesus being buried in an unused Cave/Tomb, having been “prepared” for a High Priest...(Joseph Of Arimathaea, a Jewish Sanhedrin, offered his personal burial Cave for Jesus’ burial.) (Joseph being the same Joseph who solicited and received permission to Collect Jesus’ body and bury it.)
In Brief...Hebrew Tradition and Custom...bury dead body’s before sundown...
Wash the body, shroud the body, strips of fabric wound around the body to secure the shroud, pounds of flowers and spices tucked in about the strips of fabric, and a napkin (small piece of fabric to cover the face) The face would be washed, anointed with oil and covered with the napkin.
Custom “etiquette” historically...A “napkin” when “dining”. If a person “dining” must leave the table temporarily, and INTENDS to RETURN .... (that his plate, food, should NOT be gathered up off the table)....that person LEAVES his “napkin FOLDED” and setting beside his plate.

*
The face cloth Napkin Jesus was buried with was NOT within his burial shroud, but set to the side.
John 20:7
(Indicating His intent to RETURN....rise up to Life in his Body.....)?

* Jesus’ burial was rushed....Evening was approaching...It was a Preparation Day FOR the Holy Day....Holy Day was approaching whereby no work was to be done....Putting spices/flowers, had to be gathered, taken to the tomb...and was not accomplished at the time Jesus was placed in the tomb.
* After the Holy Day passed, women brought spices and set off to put spices about the shroud on Jesus’ Body....but when they arrived at the tomb...
Jesus’ body had risen, his burial shroud lay where His Body was laid, and the Napkin folded/tied setting aside.

* Some claim, and I agree, Gentile men calling themselves “catholics”, have had great (ancient and historical) interest in searching and gathering any and all TEXTS, from ancient and historical days, OF scribes, recorders, scrolls, etc. that pertains to ancient history, particularly regarding God, Jesus, Religious aspects....AND have a very extensive Library (hall of records), that few “of the population at large have had ACCESS to view, read, study).
* Some claim, A Catholic man, reviewed information in texts speaking of Jesus’ Birth being the First day, in the Hebrew month of Nisan.
Apparently this Catholic man, believe that possible, as well it possible Jesus was born in December, according to the Julian...and Following Georgian calendar month....
So goes the suspicion is...this same man, Had text according to the Hebrew Lunar Calendar, but added a notation of his suspicion of possibly December.
Who or Why December was “established” the Catholic Churches’ official position....IDK...never attended “their” exclusive “Councils”.

* Supposedly WHEN the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, and examined at length, A Jewish Calendar appears within the Text, in their historical native language....and verifies, the Jewish month of Nisan as the time of Jesus’ Birth.
* The Scrolls first discovered by a Shepherd in 1947...and discovery of more up to 1956....at various times...were offered for sale, were also under authority of Jordan’s gov’.,...and without doubt of great interest to all high ranking religious leaders to see, inspect, study....and became under Israel’s authority, in 1967 (Palestinian/Israel 6 day war).
* Israel maintains the Scrolls, which are:
** Old, fragile, fragments.
** Painstakingly studied.
** being translated into other languages and posted online.
** Maintained in an Israeli Museum.

Glory to God,
Taken
Interesting

Walter