The Origins of Christmas ~PART 1

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PART 1 OF 2 PARTS DUE TO TOO MANY CHARACTERS.

This is an article from Grace Centered Magazine.


Please note the author of this is a member here, Ben Abraham. You can read his posts right here.

The Origin of Christmas​

Ben Avraham origins of Christmas was Jesus born on December 25where did Christmas come from
We are in the Christmas season now, and everyone is going about like busy bees, getting gifts, putting up Christmas trees, decorating the house with lights and other seasonal ornaments. Well, that’s tradition. However, have you ever thought about where all this tradition comes from? Why the date December 25th? Why the tree? Why the jolly old fat man dressed in red and white who comes through the fireplace to leave presents for kids?
While I don’t desire to dampen the holiday spirit, I feel I must tell the truth about this, and divide as one can say; “truth from tradition.” The truth may hurt, toes may be stepped on, but no matter. The truth of the matter should be told, shared, and what you do with the truth is your decision. But let’s investigate. Yes, Jesus/Yeshua (his Hebrew name) is celebrated during this time, his birth in a manger in Bethlehem, but was it December 25th?
December 25th has been considered the time of the “Winter Solstice” in accordance to pagan tradition. It was the time when the so-called “sun gods” were created. The sun gods had their origin with “Baal Nimrod”. He was the great-grandson of Noah. The names differ in different countries.
In Persia, it was “Mithras” ; in Egypt, it was “Amun-Ra”; in Rome, it was “Attis”. In Rome this time was celebrated during the 12 day period known as “Saturnalia.” Does that sound familiar? The 12 days of Christmas compared to the 12 days of Saturnalia? The Chaldeans called the 25th of December “Yule Day” or the “Day of the infant.” This was not the Christ child, it was the infant “Tammuz” who was the son of Nimrod. The so-called “halo” around the head was the “sun-disk” indicating his relationship with the sun.
In ancient Rome, the 12 days of Saturnalia were celebrated with drunken parties, orgies, and they decorated their homes with all kinds of greenery, “mistletoe” etc. Any time we mix the profane with the holy, we get “profanity.” You can mix good apples in a barrel of bad, rotten apples, and the good apples will never correct the bad ones, it is always the opposite.
During the time of the Roman emperor Constantine, he decided that “Christianity” was the way to go, Yet there were still many pagans and pagan beliefs in Rome, so, in order to accommodate pagan idolatry, Constantine decided to move the true time of the birth of Messiah Yeshua/Jesus to December 25th. So, more or less around 350 C.E. the so-called “December 25th Christmas time” was begun.
Yet many still ask, if not the 25th of December, then when was Messiah Yeshua/Jesus born? Does anyone really know? We have a general idea although know one knows the exact date and time.
In Second Chronicles, it talks about when King David divided the service time of the priests into 24 periods of two-week service commitments. Therefore, each priest would serve in the temple for two weeks.
In the New Testament, it says that Zachariah’s turn to serve in the temple for two weeks. He was of the division of “Abijah” (Read Luke chapter 1) . He was to offer incense. The division of Abijah was the 8th division. The divisions started on the Hebraic new year which was and still is on the 1st of Nissan. (14 days before Passover). This correlates to the month of Abril in the Gregorian calendar. The Hebrew calendar is based on the phases of the moon while the Gregorian calendar is based on the sun.
This means that Zachariah’s turn came 4 months into the Hebrew calendar, which means that his serve was during the end of July or mid August. He was promised by the Angel Gabriel that his wife Elizabeth would have a baby, whose name would be “Yochanan” (John) He was also Yeshua’s cousin. Yochanan was 6 months older than Yeshua. It is believed that Yochanan was born during the time of Passover, 9 months from August.
Six months from August, Mary was overshadowed by the Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) and our LORD Jesus, Yeshua HaMashiach was conceived. This was probably in the end of January or early February. Nine months including February end with October. In October we have the “Feast of Tabernacles” or “Sukkot” which was one of the major Biblical festivals, or “Moedim” (appointed times). All males had to go to Jerusalem to celebrate this festivity from all over Israel, no wonder that “no room was found in Bethlehem” it was very crowded. Bethlehem is a fitting name for the birthplace of Messiah Yeshua. It means “House of Bread” (Beit-Lechem) it is fitting that the “Bread of Life” be born in the “House of Bread.”
Caesar Augustus took advantage of this and ordered a census, since everyone was on the move during that time. Mary and Joseph went to Bethlehem to respond to that census, and there our Messiah was born during this time. When Jesus was born, his official and registered name was most likely “Yeshua Ben Yosef” (Yeshua, Son of Joseph). So, there we have it, Yeshua was probably born during the end of September or early in October. Remember that the lunar calendar changes by the phases of the moon. This year, Sukkot came early, on September 24th.
In December, it is cold and damp in Israel and the shepherds would not have had their herds of sheep outside. Also, there are not major “moedim” in December, only Hanukkah, which is not a major festival, yet still important, important enough so that Yeshua even attended the celebration (John 10)

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Christians were putting manger scenes up in the 1st century on December 25th. This is documented. Don't forget Mary was alive and talking in Ephesus, where Apostle John and Mary were., that's how Luke got the birth of Christ in his gospel. Mary conveyed the birth of Jesus many times in the church. The early Christians knew the day Christ was born.

Theophilus Bishop of Caesarea (115-181)wrote: "We ought to celebrate the birthday of our Lord on what day so ever the 25th of December shall happen." (Magdeburgenses, Cent. 2. c. 6. Hospinian, de orign Festorum Chirstianorum)

Hippolytus (ca. 165 – 235 C.E.), in his commentary on Daniel 4:23 wrote: “The first coming of our Lord, that is in the flesh, in which he was born at Bethlehem, took place eight days before the Kalends of January …”Eight days before the Kalends of January is December 25.


Theophilus of Antioch (ca. 171 – 183 C.E.), in his discussion about the proper time to observe Easter state that the Gauls contended that just as they celebrated the birth of the Lord on December 25, regardless of what day of the week that fell on, so too Christians ought to celebrate Easter on March 25, regardless of what day of the week that fell on.
 

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PART 1 OF 2 PARTS DUE TO TOO MANY CHARACTERS.

This is an article from Grace Centered Magazine.


Please note the author of this is a member here, Ben Abraham. You can read his posts right here.

The Origin of Christmas​

Ben Avraham origins of Christmas was Jesus born on December 25where did Christmas come from
We are in the Christmas season now, and everyone is going about like busy bees, getting gifts, putting up Christmas trees, decorating the house with lights and other seasonal ornaments. Well, that’s tradition. However, have you ever thought about where all this tradition comes from? Why the date December 25th? Why the tree? Why the jolly old fat man dressed in red and white who comes through the fireplace to leave presents for kids?
While I don’t desire to dampen the holiday spirit, I feel I must tell the truth about this, and divide as one can say; “truth from tradition.” The truth may hurt, toes may be stepped on, but no matter. The truth of the matter should be told, shared, and what you do with the truth is your decision. But let’s investigate. Yes, Jesus/Yeshua (his Hebrew name) is celebrated during this time, his birth in a manger in Bethlehem, but was it December 25th?
December 25th has been considered the time of the “Winter Solstice” in accordance to pagan tradition. It was the time when the so-called “sun gods” were created. The sun gods had their origin with “Baal Nimrod”. He was the great-grandson of Noah. The names differ in different countries.
In Persia, it was “Mithras” ; in Egypt, it was “Amun-Ra”; in Rome, it was “Attis”. In Rome this time was celebrated during the 12 day period known as “Saturnalia.” Does that sound familiar? The 12 days of Christmas compared to the 12 days of Saturnalia? The Chaldeans called the 25th of December “Yule Day” or the “Day of the infant.” This was not the Christ child, it was the infant “Tammuz” who was the son of Nimrod. The so-called “halo” around the head was the “sun-disk” indicating his relationship with the sun.
In ancient Rome, the 12 days of Saturnalia were celebrated with drunken parties, orgies, and they decorated their homes with all kinds of greenery, “mistletoe” etc. Any time we mix the profane with the holy, we get “profanity.” You can mix good apples in a barrel of bad, rotten apples, and the good apples will never correct the bad ones, it is always the opposite.
During the time of the Roman emperor Constantine, he decided that “Christianity” was the way to go, Yet there were still many pagans and pagan beliefs in Rome, so, in order to accommodate pagan idolatry, Constantine decided to move the true time of the birth of Messiah Yeshua/Jesus to December 25th. So, more or less around 350 C.E. the so-called “December 25th Christmas time” was begun.
Yet many still ask, if not the 25th of December, then when was Messiah Yeshua/Jesus born? Does anyone really know? We have a general idea although know one knows the exact date and time.
Wrong. Saturnalia was originally a season to mark the end of autumn planting, it was not any fixed date. Any farmer will tell you planting or harvesting is not done on a fixed date. The emperor Aurelian made Saturnalia a fixed date by law in 274 A.D., to detract from the Christians who were ALREADY celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25. Christians did not borrow Dec. 25 from paganism. We had it first.

More myths about Constantine. He was only 2 years old at the time Aurelian made Saturnalia a fixed date; do the math.
I agree know one knows the exact date and time, but Dec. 25 is the day chosen by the Church, to celebrate His birth.
 

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Wrong. Saturnalia was originally a season to mark the end of autumn planting, it was not any fixed date. Any farmer will tell you planting or harvesting is not done on a fixed date. The emperor Aurelian made Saturnalia a fixed date by law in 274 A.D., to detract from the Christians who were ALREADY celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25. Christians did not borrow Dec. 25 from paganism. We had it first.

More myths about Constantine. He was only 2 years old at the time Aurelian made Saturnalia a fixed date; do the math.
I agree know one knows the exact date and time, but Dec. 25 is the day chosen by the Church, to celebrate His birth.
I agree that 12-25 is the date chosen to celebrate Christmas.

so your suggesting the Pagans came to play after the Christians celebrated on that date?

FYI, I really don't care who did what first. It seems that so much of the calendar years traces back to something Pagan.

Now.... Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25? | HISTORY

We read from history.com ...

Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25?​

Church officials wanted the date to coincide with existing pagan festivals.

The first official mention of December 25 as a holiday honoring Jesus’ birthday appears in an early Roman calendar from AD 336.


The earliest mention of December 25 as Jesus’ birthday comes from a mid-fourth-century Roman almanac that lists the death dates of various Christian bishops and martyrs. The first date listed, December 25, is marked: natus Christus in Betleem Judeae: “Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea.”3 In about 400 C.E.,

There are many more assorted dates of first using Dec 25.

I just showed these two for diversity sake.


Can you provide a link for them celebrating Dec 25 before AD274?
 

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I agree that 12-25 is the date chosen to celebrate Christmas.

so your suggesting the Pagans came to play after the Christians celebrated on that date?

FYI, I really don't care who did what first. It seems that so much of the calendar years traces back to something Pagan.

Now.... Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25? | HISTORY

We read from history.com ...

Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25?​

Church officials wanted the date to coincide with existing pagan festivals.

The first official mention of December 25 as a holiday honoring Jesus’ birthday appears in an early Roman calendar from AD 336.


The earliest mention of December 25 as Jesus’ birthday comes from a mid-fourth-century Roman almanac that lists the death dates of various Christian bishops and martyrs. The first date listed, December 25, is marked: natus Christus in Betleem Judeae: “Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea.”3 In about 400 C.E.,

There are many more assorted dates of first using Dec 25.

I just showed these two for diversity sake.


Can you provide a link for them celebrating Dec 25 before AD274?
Read post #2
 

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I agree that 12-25 is the date chosen to celebrate Christmas.

so your suggesting the Pagans came to play after the Christians celebrated on that date?

FYI, I really don't care who did what first. It seems that so much of the calendar years traces back to something Pagan.

Now.... Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25? | HISTORY

We read from history.com ...

Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25?​

Church officials wanted the date to coincide with existing pagan festivals.

The first official mention of December 25 as a holiday honoring Jesus’ birthday appears in an early Roman calendar from AD 336.


The earliest mention of December 25 as Jesus’ birthday comes from a mid-fourth-century Roman almanac that lists the death dates of various Christian bishops and martyrs. The first date listed, December 25, is marked: natus Christus in Betleem Judeae: “Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea.”3 In about 400 C.E.,

There are many more assorted dates of first using Dec 25.

I just showed these two for diversity sake.


Can you provide a link for them celebrating Dec 25 before AD274?
Ummmmm, NOT exactly . . .

The Christian historian, Hippolytus of Rome, explains in his Commentary on the book of Daniel (c. A.D. 204) that the birth of Jesus was believed to have taken place on December 25th:

“For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls.”

The date of this document is AD204, which predates the Roman Calendar reference from AD336 by 1342 years
 
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PART 1 OF 2 PARTS DUE TO TOO MANY CHARACTERS.

This is an article from Grace Centered Magazine.


Please note the author of this is a member here, Ben Abraham. You can read his posts right here.

The Origin of Christmas​

Ben Avraham origins of Christmas was Jesus born on December 25where did Christmas come from
We are in the Christmas season now, and everyone is going about like busy bees, getting gifts, putting up Christmas trees, decorating the house with lights and other seasonal ornaments. Well, that’s tradition. However, have you ever thought about where all this tradition comes from? Why the date December 25th? Why the tree? Why the jolly old fat man dressed in red and white who comes through the fireplace to leave presents for kids?
While I don’t desire to dampen the holiday spirit, I feel I must tell the truth about this, and divide as one can say; “truth from tradition.” The truth may hurt, toes may be stepped on, but no matter. The truth of the matter should be told, shared, and what you do with the truth is your decision. But let’s investigate. Yes, Jesus/Yeshua (his Hebrew name) is celebrated during this time, his birth in a manger in Bethlehem, but was it December 25th?
December 25th has been considered the time of the “Winter Solstice” in accordance to pagan tradition. It was the time when the so-called “sun gods” were created. The sun gods had their origin with “Baal Nimrod”. He was the great-grandson of Noah. The names differ in different countries.
In Persia, it was “Mithras” ; in Egypt, it was “Amun-Ra”; in Rome, it was “Attis”. In Rome this time was celebrated during the 12 day period known as “Saturnalia.” Does that sound familiar? The 12 days of Christmas compared to the 12 days of Saturnalia? The Chaldeans called the 25th of December “Yule Day” or the “Day of the infant.” This was not the Christ child, it was the infant “Tammuz” who was the son of Nimrod. The so-called “halo” around the head was the “sun-disk” indicating his relationship with the sun.
In ancient Rome, the 12 days of Saturnalia were celebrated with drunken parties, orgies, and they decorated their homes with all kinds of greenery, “mistletoe” etc. Any time we mix the profane with the holy, we get “profanity.” You can mix good apples in a barrel of bad, rotten apples, and the good apples will never correct the bad ones, it is always the opposite.
During the time of the Roman emperor Constantine, he decided that “Christianity” was the way to go, Yet there were still many pagans and pagan beliefs in Rome, so, in order to accommodate pagan idolatry, Constantine decided to move the true time of the birth of Messiah Yeshua/Jesus to December 25th. So, more or less around 350 C.E. the so-called “December 25th Christmas time” was begun.
Yet many still ask, if not the 25th of December, then when was Messiah Yeshua/Jesus born? Does anyone really know? We have a general idea although know one knows the exact date and time.
In Second Chronicles, it talks about when King David divided the service time of the priests into 24 periods of two-week service commitments. Therefore, each priest would serve in the temple for two weeks.
In the New Testament, it says that Zachariah’s turn to serve in the temple for two weeks. He was of the division of “Abijah” (Read Luke chapter 1) . He was to offer incense. The division of Abijah was the 8th division. The divisions started on the Hebraic new year which was and still is on the 1st of Nissan. (14 days before Passover). This correlates to the month of Abril in the Gregorian calendar. The Hebrew calendar is based on the phases of the moon while the Gregorian calendar is based on the sun.
This means that Zachariah’s turn came 4 months into the Hebrew calendar, which means that his serve was during the end of July or mid August. He was promised by the Angel Gabriel that his wife Elizabeth would have a baby, whose name would be “Yochanan” (John) He was also Yeshua’s cousin. Yochanan was 6 months older than Yeshua. It is believed that Yochanan was born during the time of Passover, 9 months from August.
Six months from August, Mary was overshadowed by the Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) and our LORD Jesus, Yeshua HaMashiach was conceived. This was probably in the end of January or early February. Nine months including February end with October. In October we have the “Feast of Tabernacles” or “Sukkot” which was one of the major Biblical festivals, or “Moedim” (appointed times). All males had to go to Jerusalem to celebrate this festivity from all over Israel, no wonder that “no room was found in Bethlehem” it was very crowded. Bethlehem is a fitting name for the birthplace of Messiah Yeshua. It means “House of Bread” (Beit-Lechem) it is fitting that the “Bread of Life” be born in the “House of Bread.”
Caesar Augustus took advantage of this and ordered a census, since everyone was on the move during that time. Mary and Joseph went to Bethlehem to respond to that census, and there our Messiah was born during this time. When Jesus was born, his official and registered name was most likely “Yeshua Ben Yosef” (Yeshua, Son of Joseph). So, there we have it, Yeshua was probably born during the end of September or early in October. Remember that the lunar calendar changes by the phases of the moon. This year, Sukkot came early, on September 24th.
In December, it is cold and damp in Israel and the shepherds would not have had their herds of sheep outside. Also, there are not major “moedim” in December, only Hanukkah, which is not a major festival, yet still important, important enough so that Yeshua even attended the celebration (John 10)

PART 2 continues next .
I probably would be shocked how much is connected to “pagan” beliefs or practices. I’d rather not know instead of being made to feel guilty. It’s not only celebrating days and times but so many aspects of daily life that it would be nearly impossible not to be unknowingly participating in something of unknown origin. All those things are nothing because at the end of the day (Imo) whether I celebrate Christmas on the 25th or in July …whether I dye eggs or scramble them…God isn’t a Father that has me tip-toeing around over egg shells afraid I’m going cause Him to not Love me anymore. He does (not) aim a pointed finger at me demanding “you better get the date right!” That is man’s deal.
1 Corinthians 10:25-26 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: [26] For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
 
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I probably would be shocked how much is connected to “pagan” beliefs or practices. I’d rather not know instead of being made to feel guilty. It’s not only celebrating days and times but so many aspects of daily life that it would be nearly impossible not to be unknowingly participating in something of unknown origin. All those things are nothing because at the end of the day (Imo) whether I celebrate Christmas on the 25th or in July …whether I dye eggs or scramble them…God isn’t a Father that has me tip-toeing around over egg shells afraid I’m going cause Him to not Love me anymore. He does (not) aim a pointed finger at me demanding “you better get the date right!” That is man’s deal.
1 Corinthians 10:25-26 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: [26] For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
Excellently stated.

I am not interested but I bet if someone did a deep search they would find Pagan stuff for every day of the year.

We all would be in trouble for living if we let that stop us
 

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PART 1 OF 2 PARTS DUE TO TOO MANY CHARACTERS.

This is an article from Grace Centered Magazine.


Please note the author of this is a member here, Ben Abraham. You can read his posts right here.

The Origin of Christmas​

Ben Avraham origins of Christmas was Jesus born on December 25where did Christmas come from
We are in the Christmas season now, and everyone is going about like busy bees, getting gifts, putting up Christmas trees, decorating the house with lights and other seasonal ornaments. Well, that’s tradition. However, have you ever thought about where all this tradition comes from? Why the date December 25th? Why the tree? Why the jolly old fat man dressed in red and white who comes through the fireplace to leave presents for kids?
While I don’t desire to dampen the holiday spirit, I feel I must tell the truth about this, and divide as one can say; “truth from tradition.” The truth may hurt, toes may be stepped on, but no matter. The truth of the matter should be told, shared, and what you do with the truth is your decision. But let’s investigate. Yes, Jesus/Yeshua (his Hebrew name) is celebrated during this time, his birth in a manger in Bethlehem, but was it December 25th?
December 25th has been considered the time of the “Winter Solstice” in accordance to pagan tradition. It was the time when the so-called “sun gods” were created. The sun gods had their origin with “Baal Nimrod”. He was the great-grandson of Noah. The names differ in different countries.
In Persia, it was “Mithras” ; in Egypt, it was “Amun-Ra”; in Rome, it was “Attis”. In Rome this time was celebrated during the 12 day period known as “Saturnalia.” Does that sound familiar? The 12 days of Christmas compared to the 12 days of Saturnalia? The Chaldeans called the 25th of December “Yule Day” or the “Day of the infant.” This was not the Christ child, it was the infant “Tammuz” who was the son of Nimrod. The so-called “halo” around the head was the “sun-disk” indicating his relationship with the sun.
In ancient Rome, the 12 days of Saturnalia were celebrated with drunken parties, orgies, and they decorated their homes with all kinds of greenery, “mistletoe” etc. Any time we mix the profane with the holy, we get “profanity.” You can mix good apples in a barrel of bad, rotten apples, and the good apples will never correct the bad ones, it is always the opposite.
During the time of the Roman emperor Constantine, he decided that “Christianity” was the way to go, Yet there were still many pagans and pagan beliefs in Rome, so, in order to accommodate pagan idolatry, Constantine decided to move the true time of the birth of Messiah Yeshua/Jesus to December 25th. So, more or less around 350 C.E. the so-called “December 25th Christmas time” was begun.
Yet many still ask, if not the 25th of December, then when was Messiah Yeshua/Jesus born? Does anyone really know? We have a general idea although know one knows the exact date and time.
In Second Chronicles, it talks about when King David divided the service time of the priests into 24 periods of two-week service commitments. Therefore, each priest would serve in the temple for two weeks.
In the New Testament, it says that Zachariah’s turn to serve in the temple for two weeks. He was of the division of “Abijah” (Read Luke chapter 1) . He was to offer incense. The division of Abijah was the 8th division. The divisions started on the Hebraic new year which was and still is on the 1st of Nissan. (14 days before Passover). This correlates to the month of Abril in the Gregorian calendar. The Hebrew calendar is based on the phases of the moon while the Gregorian calendar is based on the sun.
This means that Zachariah’s turn came 4 months into the Hebrew calendar, which means that his serve was during the end of July or mid August. He was promised by the Angel Gabriel that his wife Elizabeth would have a baby, whose name would be “Yochanan” (John) He was also Yeshua’s cousin. Yochanan was 6 months older than Yeshua. It is believed that Yochanan was born during the time of Passover, 9 months from August.
Six months from August, Mary was overshadowed by the Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) and our LORD Jesus, Yeshua HaMashiach was conceived. This was probably in the end of January or early February. Nine months including February end with October. In October we have the “Feast of Tabernacles” or “Sukkot” which was one of the major Biblical festivals, or “Moedim” (appointed times). All males had to go to Jerusalem to celebrate this festivity from all over Israel, no wonder that “no room was found in Bethlehem” it was very crowded. Bethlehem is a fitting name for the birthplace of Messiah Yeshua. It means “House of Bread” (Beit-Lechem) it is fitting that the “Bread of Life” be born in the “House of Bread.”
Caesar Augustus took advantage of this and ordered a census, since everyone was on the move during that time. Mary and Joseph went to Bethlehem to respond to that census, and there our Messiah was born during this time. When Jesus was born, his official and registered name was most likely “Yeshua Ben Yosef” (Yeshua, Son of Joseph). So, there we have it, Yeshua was probably born during the end of September or early in October. Remember that the lunar calendar changes by the phases of the moon. This year, Sukkot came early, on September 24th.
In December, it is cold and damp in Israel and the shepherds would not have had their herds of sheep outside. Also, there are not major “moedim” in December, only Hanukkah, which is not a major festival, yet still important, important enough so that Yeshua even attended the celebration (John 10)

PART 2 continues next .

That was nauseating! Those accounts of tradition origins may be good to know--but, was it ever stated In that painful exhortation why Christians and the church celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th?

The point is...those are not the reasons Christians and the church celebrate on December 25th. And no, I did not go on to read all the posts--and hopefully someone has already stated what was apparently not stated in Parts 1 and 2 of this thread, but here is the simple reason Christians and the church celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th:


To their credit, the fathers of the Catholic Church in Rome, Italy, began celebrating Christmas on December 25 in 336 AD to replace the pagan celebrations previously conducted during that season.