Was Mary Magdalene the sister of Lazarus?

[Sabé]

So exactly how do you drink cyanide laced water without getting the cyanide?

You can't....

So no thank you. We don't have anything in common. No basis of faith to discuss anything.

How would you know that the water is laced with cyanide to begin with? You'll die of thirst for believing every cup of water has cyanide. What Maria Valtorta's writings, and your allegorical cup of water have in common, is that these things can be investigated and tested.

 

[Sabé]

Been there..done that too many times......

How could you have "been there and done that too many times" with me when we've never discussed the topic of Mary the Magdalene before?

There are so many flaws in your arguments [...]

It is so to the untrained eye.

 

[JohnDB]

How would you know that the water is laced with cyanide to begin with? You'll die of thirst for believing every cup of water has cyanide. What Maria Valtorta's writings, and your allegorical cup of water have in common, is that these things can be investigated and tested.

But they were tested and found to be false, wrong, and nothing worth investing into.
However you uphold her as primary....and that makes YOUR god very different from mine.

 

[Sabé]

But they were tested and found to be false, wrong, and nothing worth investing into.

What kind of tests? Found to be false and not worth investing in by whom? Where did you read about this? Some of the tests done, and proof in support of Maria Valtorta having been a true spokesperson of Jesus, and her writings having a supernatural origin, that I know about are mentioned in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work.

However you uphold her as primary....

I believe that Maria Valtorta was God's spokesperson, and thus what she wrote came from God, and other heavenly persons, so why wouldn't I reference what He and they said in those writings? How is that upholding her as primary?

 

[JohnDB]

What kind of tests? Found to be false and not worth investing in by whom? Where did you read about this? Some of the tests done, and proof in support of Maria Valtorta having been a true spokesperson of Jesus, and her writings having a supernatural origin, that I know about are mentioned in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work.



I believe that Maria Valtorta was God's spokesperson, and thus what she wrote came from God, and other heavenly persons, so why wouldn't I reference what He and they said in those writings? How is that upholding her as primary?

She may because spokesman for YOUR god,
She is not a spokesperson from mine.....mine is very very different.

 

[Sabé]

She may because spokesman for YOUR god,
She is not a spokesperson from mine.....mine is very very different.

The only God is God. And, since you didn't answer my questions, my advice to you is, don't make baseless assertions, and if you're going to, at least be honest and admit that's what they are.

 

[JohnDB]

The only God is God. And, since you didn't answer my questions, my advice to you is, don't make baseless assertions, and if you're going to, at least be honest and admit that's what they are.

My God is all about truth....
Each individual matters....including all 6 Mary....He doesn't confuse and lump them into one person.

Your god?
Nope. Could care less about truth and glosses over people. Gets confused....easily. meaning not omniscient or Sovereign, or Holy, holy holy.

 

[Sabé]

My God is all about truth....
Each individual matters....including all 6 Mary....He doesn't confuse and lump them into one person.

Your god?
Nope. Could care less about truth and glosses over people. Gets confused....easily. meaning not omniscient or Sovereign, or Holy, holy holy.

The only God is God. Apparently, you don't believe that.

 

[JohnDB]

The only God is God. Apparently, you don't believe that.

Oh I believe that you think that you are following my God....you just aren't

 

[Sabé]

Oh I believe that you think that you are following my God....you just aren't

That's not what you said. You spoke of God and another god. Did you misspeak?

 

[JohnDB]

That's not what you said. You spoke of God and another god. Did you misspeak?

Nope....
Many people worship false gods. It's nothing new. People regularly worship gods of their own or someone else's creation.

You worshipping some dame, now dead, who lied extensively.
The test for a prophet is 100% accuracy....
Even a minor mistake is proof of not being a prophet of God but instead a false prophet....

But people don't want to stop following false prophets either.

Mohammed claimed Israel will never exist again....it does. But moslems around the world continue to follow Mohammed anyway even though he is a false prophet and they supposedly have the same standard for a prophet as Jews and Christians.

There's been several "Christian" prophets running around telling the future. And their groupies claim that a 40% accuracy rate is good.

People do dumb stuff all the time....doesn't make them unique or truthfully Christian either. Hypocrisy is normal. I seek to be different and extremely discriminating.

 

[Sabé]

Nope....

You've been speaking of God and another god as if the latter exists. So, I asked if you misspoke, and you answered "nope". The only God is God.

 

[Grailhunter]

Nope....
Many people worship false gods. It's nothing new. People regularly worship gods of their own or someone else's creation.

You worshipping some dame, now dead, who lied extensively.
The test for a prophet is 100% accuracy....
Even a minor mistake is proof of not being a prophet of God but instead a false prophet....

But people don't want to stop following false prophets either.

Mohammed claimed Israel will never exist again....it does. But moslems around the world continue to follow Mohammed anyway even though he is a false prophet and they supposedly have the same standard for a prophet as Jews and Christians.

There's been several "Christian" prophets running around telling the future. And their groupies claim that a 40% accuracy rate is good.

People do dumb stuff all the time....doesn't make them unique or truthfully Christian either. Hypocrisy is normal. I seek to be different and extremely discriminating.

It is ridiculous to think that the Catholics do not worship the same God.
And it is wrong to be so rude to a lady. Try getting with the Christian Spirit.

 

[Aunty Jane]

How could you have "been there and done that too many times" with me when we've never discussed the topic of Mary the Magdalene before?

I meant discussing this subject with those of your faith who cannot see what the Bible clearly says.
For those firmly indoctrinated into the RCC, nothing presented in Scripture supersedes the teachings of your church, no matter how badly they clash with Scripture. It’s a waste of time when you know the truth and have tried in vain to expose the travesty of the false doctrines they keep promoting.

It is so to the untrained eye.

I think what you mean is the ‘unindoctrinated’ eye…..those who are “trained“ and know what the entirety of Scripture really teaches…..just shake their heads and wonder how you all could be induced to swallow that stuff….if you want a definition of indoctrination….the RCC is outstanding.

The adoration and veneration of Mary is found nowhere else, especially not in Scripture.
In the Bible there is no approval for making images for use in worship… “idolatry” was forbidden…..there was no “immaculate conception”….no “purgatory”….no “immortal soul”…no lobbying God to make someone a “saint”….no infant baptism…..no liturgy….no repetitive prayer or rosary beads…..no priests or monks or nuns in religious garb….no funny hats or expensive robes of a certain color….no pope….or exalted heirarchy….no titles…in fact nothing associated with the Catholic Church has its origins in Scripture.…even though a weak attempt is made to pretend that they are.


How on earth do you not see the idolatry?

In the Catholic Church Jesus is presented as either a helpless baby or a dead man hanging from a cross……
What is this…?



Is this the way Jesus wanted to be remembered?
God told his people not to “make any image” to be used in a religious way……where is the depiction of him as a conquering King? Hrist is not either of those things and hasn’t been for almost 2000 years!

Have you been raised in the RCC? Or did you convert?

 

[JohnDB]

You've been speaking of God and another god as if the latter exists. So, I asked if you misspoke, and you answered "nope". The only God is God.

As I have said before,
We have zero in common in regards to beliefs and faith. You don't know what I'm saying or have said due to your involvement with this "lady" that claims to be a prophet.
.
You don't know my God. You don't know scriptures. We do not believe the same things.

 

[JohnDB]

It is ridiculous to think that the Catholics do not worship the same God.
And it is wrong to be so rude to a lady. Try getting with the Christian Spirit.

If only she was catholic....she is not. I have no problem with Catholics as a general rule even though many other Protestants do. The Catholics, however, have renounced the prophet she follows exclusively. Excommunicado!

This poster makes a lot of claims that simply are not congruent with the truth. You cannot be an atheist Christian....these two labels are incongruent with each other. (If you will pardon the over-simplified analogy)

The things this poster has claimed are just as incongruous with Catholocism and Christianity as any atheist.

Just because a false god has a similar name.and similar story does not mean that they are following the same God I am following. And scriptures make this point very very clear.

Despite the wild claims of the Charismatics I would love to see a real prophet....I know the real from phoney....looking for the genuine article for a long time. I am jaded....but have cause to be.

 

[Sabé]

As I have said before,
We have zero in common in regards to beliefs and faith. You don't know what I'm saying or have said due to your involvement with this "lady" that claims to be a prophet.
.
You don't know my God. You don't know scriptures. We do not believe the same things.

As I've said before, my advice to you is, don't make baseless assertions, and if you're going to, at least be honest and admit that's what they are.

 

[Grailhunter]

If only she was catholic....she is not. I have no problem with Catholics as a general rule even though many other Protestants do. The Catholics, however, have renounced the prophet she follows exclusively. Excommunicado!

This poster makes a lot of claims that simply are not congruent with the truth. You cannot be an atheist Christian....these two labels are incongruent with each other. (If you will pardon the over-simplified analogy)

The things this poster has claimed are just as incongruous with Catholocism and Christianity as any atheist.

Just because a false god has a similar name.and similar story does not mean that they are following the same God I am following. And scriptures make this point very very clear.

Despite the wild claims of the Charismatics I would love to see a real prophet....I know the real from phoney....looking for the genuine article for a long time. I am jaded....but have cause to be.

You seem to know a lot about this lady…..she is not a Catholic an atheist….worships a different god….
As far as charismatics go it might do you some good to experience the charismatic side of Christianity.
As far as posters posting outlandish things…..a lot of that goes on here. Best not to let them pull out the hateful side of your character. I have no use for the Jehovah’s Witnesses…..I just do not talk to them.

 

[JohnDB]

You seem to know a lot about this lady…..she is not a Catholic an atheist….worships a different god….
As far as charismatics go it might do you some good to experience the charismatic side of Christianity.
As far as posters posting outlandish things…..a lot of that goes on here. Best not to let them pull out the hateful side of your character. I have no use for the Jehovah’s Witnesses…..I just do not talk to them.

I'm going by the things she has directly said AND the Catholic Church has said....

Yet somehow I'm wrong?

Exactly how does that work?

If I were to tell a JW or a Mormon we do not have anything in common to have a religion based conversation even if they had directly asked me a question I'm now somehow guilty of something? (Which is precisely what I have done)

I dont mind Catholics as I find they usually are simply ignorant of their customs and traditions as to meanings and importance for their faith....they do them but just have no real clue as to why they say them or perform them....and half the time their understanding is coming out as a fractured half truth....
The "Hail Mary" said as a prayer is just scripture said by Elizabeth from a translation unused anymore. And the meaning is usually something different than what most Catholics think it is. (Poor, incorrect, theologies arent anything new)

I think you just want to throw mud around at anyone but non-Christians....which is a concerning thing....gives me pause at least.


But when someone puts a false prophet as more important than scriptures....as the false prophet is right and scriptures are wrong?
That's worship of the wrong god right there....not gonna have anything to do with that person except to tell them that.

 

[Sabé]

But when someone puts a false prophet as more important than scriptures....as the false prophet is right and scriptures are wrong?
That's worship of the wrong god right there....not gonna have anything to do with that person except to tell them that.

That's one of your baseless assertions about me, because when I asked you, "How so?, you didn't say anything. Nor did you say anything in response to the link to proof in support of Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin.