Was Paul Right About Women In Church?

[DNB]

Wrong guy to do that to. I am not talking about "diverse denominations" I am talking about the truth about Calvinists.

Well the point was that I picked a random, but reputable, teacher, to demonstrate where complementarianism exists. If you don't agree with one particular example, it doesn't necessarily negate or undermine my point.
Why you are making this out to be about Calvinism, is beyond me?

 

[DNB]

The problem with terms like "complementarianism" is that it has, at least, two common meanings,

1. Biblical (or Pauline) complementarianism is when we seek to be faithful to gender-specific Scripture that applies to ourselves.
2. Complementarianism is also used as a euphemism for Patriarchy [& Matriarchy] where a person takes it upon themselves to compel their spouse to abide by gender-specific Scriptures (to the former's standards, no less).

When I use the term, I mean #1.
#2 violates the Word on so many fronts.

Complementarianism, by definition, has a basic and fundamental meaning - specific and distinct roles complement each other, and do not compete nor confuse the distinction.

A man is not a women, nor is a women a man, for intrinsically both, physiological and emotional reasons. One is best suited for certain roles, and the other for different purposes and functionalities. Respect God's design in His creation, and abide by the standards that He set out for both - A woman is not to teach nor have authority over a man, for Adam came before Eve. A man must protect unto death, that which was put under his care (women and children)

 

[DNB]

Public nakedness isn't something I see as appropriate no matter the implied meaning....

So you don't like Michelangelo's David, either?

 

[Grailhunter]

Well the point was that I picked a random, but reputable, teacher, to demonstrate where complementarianism exists. If you don't agree with one particular example, it doesn't necessarily negate or undermine my point.
Why you are making this out to be about Calvinism, is beyond me?

Wellll...the discussion about women in the Church and people that want to think of them as something less...something less.
And you picked an example of a person that belongs to a denomination that has issues with understanding the correct status and role of women in Christianity.

 

[Sabertooth]

A man is not a women, nor is a women a man, for intrinsically both, physiological and emotional reasons...

True, but neither one can replace the Holy Spirit for the other, either,

for receiving Scripture, generally,
nor for receiving gender-specific Scripture, particularly.​

 

[DNB]

Wellll...the discussion about women in the Church and people that want to think of them as something less...something less.
And you picked an example of a person that belongs to a denomination that has issues with understanding the correct status and role of women in Christianity.

Grailhunter, someone made the remark that Complementarianism was an archaic belief that no one holds to today. I rebutted with that there are many that consider it to be a valid Christian tenet, and gave 1 or two examples. You said that Calvinists are unreliable, I said then forget John MacArthur or any other Calvinist, it is easy enough to find people in other denominations that don't allow women leaders in the Church. You said Calvinists are bad people (or, something like that), ... now what?

 

[Sabertooth]

So you don't like Michelangelo's David, either?

(Apparently, Mike didn't know what circumcision was...)

 

[DNB]

True, but neither one can replace the Holy Spirit for the other, either,

for receiving Scripture, generally,
nor for receiving gender-specific Scripture, particularly.​

It is what they do, with what that they have received from God that matters. A woman does not get up on a podium and direct men as how they should comport themselves in the Church, regardless from where her 'inspiration' is derived. Nor does she establish doctrine, or define the Statement of Faith for the Church, or delegate responsibilities, no matter what she claims that her impetus is based on.

These are extremely hypothetical examples, as God would not divulge such authoritative information to a woman in the first place, if He has clearly disallowed them to have leadership roles.

 

[DNB]

(Apparently, Mike didn't know what circumcision was...)

...yeah, that was a laugh.
Even Da Vinci's last supper is predominantly anachronistic, too .

 

[dev553344]

Sorry this is off topic but educational.


THE ROLE OF WOMEN IN WORLD WAR II
American women were instrumental in the war effort during World War II. With ever-growing orders for war materials combined with so many men overseas fighting the war, women were called upon to work in ways previously reserved only for men. While the most famous image of female patriotism during World War II is Rosie the Riveter, women were involved in other aspects of the war effort outside of factories. More than six million women took wartime jobs in factories, three million volunteered with the Red Cross, and over 200,000 served in the military. Women’s auxiliary branches were created for every branch of the military, including the Women’s Army Corps (WAC), Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service (WAVES), and Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP). Women were restricted from combat zones; however, many became nurses to help the men injured in combat.

My grandfather died in WWII in Germany. My great aunt was a US Marine somewhere around that time. She was also a school teacher. I had the fun of being able to spend a little time with my great aunt before she passed away. Amazing woman and always carried her weight. She married once but never had children. Could play the piano like you were at a professional concert. She was an inspiration to me.

History At a Glance: Women in World War II | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

 

[Sabertooth]

A woman does not get up on a podium and direct men as how they should comport themselves in the Church, regardless from where her 'inspiration' is derived.

If you would neglect

• "...Your sons and daughters will prophesy,..." [Acts of the Apostles 2:17]
  
• that Paul's friend, Priscilla, taught Apollos [Acts of the Apostles 18:26],
• and certainly more...

 

[DNB]

If you would neglect

• "...Your sons and daughters will prophesy,..." [Acts of the Apostles 2:17]
  
• that Paul's friend, Priscilla, taught Apollos [Acts of the Apostles 18:26],
• and certainly more...

Yes, there are definite and valid women prophets, ...not sure if this is necessarily a leadership position, or one of authority? Barak and Deborah is a good example of God being displeased with Barak's decision to allow Deborah to lead him into battle.
Both, Aquila and Priscila taught Apollos, ...I assume that Aquila presided.

 

[dev553344]

Both, Aquila and Priscila taught Apollos, ...I assume that Aquila presided.

I'm not making fun of you, but found that hilarious. You made me laugh just then, lol... had to share this, hahaha...

 

[TLHKAJ]

So you don't like Michelangelo's David, either?

Not in the least....

 

[Sabertooth]

Yes, there are definite and valid women prophets, ...not sure if this is necessarily a leadership position, or one of authority?

Prophecy = authority, at least at the moment.

 

[DNB]

Prophecy = authority, at least at the moment.

Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied (Acts 21:8-9), we assume that they did not have authority over other men.

 

[Sabertooth]

...we assume that they did not have authority over other men.

Why do we assume that, while they were prophesying?
I would agree that the gift of prophecy does not confer full-time authority,
but the gift by definition, imposes momentary authority.

 

[Heart2Soul]

It is what they do, with what that they have received from God that matters. A woman does not get up on a podium and direct men as how they should comport themselves in the Church, regardless from where her 'inspiration' is derived. Nor does she establish doctrine, or define the Statement of Faith for the Church, or delegate responsibilities, no matter what she claims that her impetus is based on.

These are extremely hypothetical examples, as God would not divulge such authoritative information to a woman in the first place, if He has clearly disallowed them to have leadership roles.

When you can open your eyes to see that God will use anyone He chooses to speak through then you begin to realize He is not concerned with a man's status or a women's status but rather He is more interested in who will be an obedient vessel and allow Him to speak through them....a servant who will honor His Truth in ministering to the needs of others. A good Samaritan who tends to the one who is wounded and gives them shelter and care.
Church is not just an assembly of believers who come together in a building and worship God....
Church is on a street corner ministering to the prostitute who has been crying out for someone to save her.
Church is in the backyard of Grandma's house with family members who have gathered to comfort each other and honor her life. Sharing testimony with one another about when she would teach them scriptures and such.
Church is everywhere and every chance and every place....until the gospel has been preached to every corner of the world.
And if God needs to speak to someone through the mouth of a donkey, a man, a woman or whatever and whoever is matters not to Him.
All He wants is willing and obedient vessels.

 

[marksman]

Accredited scholars like Augustine who was the 'great man of God' who decided to cancel out women's participation because they are not made in God's image - only men are.

 

[marksman]

Accredited scholars like Augustine who was the 'great man of God' who decided to cancel out women's participation because they are not made in God's image - only men are.

Sorry but I do not remember mentioning Augustine. Is he a friend of yours?