WAS PETER TALKING TO YOU ?

[Davy]

I too think that Christ will return post-trib
I think scripture upholds pre-trib rapture 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Position in heaven Ephesians 1:3
Paul our apostle in this dispensation Colossians 1:25

You are obviously confused, because the post-trib belief is about the time after the tribulation when Jesus gathers His Church. So you cannot be both pre-trib and post-trib at the same time.

And you cannot just quote 1 verse out of 1 Thess.5 where Paul was teaching about the 'final day' of this present world with the 'day of the Lord'. You have to keep to the flow of the chapter, which is about signs of the end leading up to the "day of the Lord" (last day).

You obviously need to do your own Bible study.

 

[Doug]

I realize you've been lied to about that, their telling you that Christ's Olivet discourse isn't for Gentiles believers, but that's a lie that was developed by Darby's theories and those after him.

In Matthew 5:2 just as an example Jesus is speaking of the kingdom on earth....the body of Christ does not get the kingdom on earth.

 

[Davy]

No... I am in the body of Christ

If so, then why aren't you keeping to The Word of God as written? Did you ever bother to go back to the Old Testament Book of Hosea and read where Apostle Paul quoted from in Romans 9:25-26? Paul spoke that to believing Gentiles when he was captive in Rome. But that Hosea passage was originally written only to the northern ten tribes of Israel.

 

[Davy]

In Matthew 5:2 just as an example Jesus is speaking of the kingdom on earth....the body of Christ does not get the kingdom on earth.

Like I said, you've been lied to and you apparently don't care, because that idea is nowhere written.

 

[Doug]

You are obviously confused, because the post-trib belief is about the time after the tribulation when Jesus gathers His Church. So you cannot be both pre-trib and post-trib at the same time.

He gathers his elect of Israel Matthew 24:31

 

[Doug]

If so, then why aren't you keeping to The Word of God as written? Did you ever bother to go back to the Old Testament Book of Hosea and read where Apostle Paul quoted from in Romans 9:25-26? Paul spoke that to believing Gentiles when he was captive in Rome. But that Hosea passage was originally written only to the northern ten tribes of Israel.

I just posted on this A VERY SMALL REMNANThttps://www.christianityboard.com/threads/a-very-small-remnant.35060/

 

[Davy]

Peter was writing to the scattered Jews in the remnant....Gentiles could also believe and become part of the remnant

The whole... New Testament Scriptures are written for Christ's Church, all inclusive. The events that happened in their days are STILL to serve as a WITNESS for ALL Christ's Church of both believing Israel and believing Gentiles. And not only The New Testament Scriptures, but The Old Testament Scriptures also!

1 Cor 10:5-12
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
KJV

That's 1 Corinthians 10, an Epistle by Apostle Paul. Was Paul speaking that to Israel, or to Christ's Church (which includes both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles)???

 

[Doug]

Like I said, you've been lied to and you apparently don't care, because that idea is nowhere written.

Everything taught is supported by scripture.

 

[Davy]

He gathers his elect of Israel Matthew 24:31

You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

 

[Davy]

Everything taught is supported by scripture.

Not what you teach isn't. You are here to push lies against God's Word.

 

[Doug]

The whole... New Testament Scriptures are written for Christ's Church, all inclusive. The events that happened in their days are STILL to serve as a WITNESS for ALL Christ's Church of both believing Israel and believing Gentiles. And not only The New Testament Scriptures, but The Old Testament Scriptures also!

1 Cor 10:5-12
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
KJV

That's 1 Corinthians 10, an Epistle by Apostle Paul. Was Paul speaking that to Israel, or to Christ's Church (which includes both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles)???

All scripture is for learning

 

[FollowHim]

Peter was writing to the scattered Jews in the remnant....Gentiles could also believe and become part of the remnant

I appreciate your definitive statement of faith, but that is not Peter's words.
If everything Peter writes is inclusive of all believers then that is his target audience.

16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.
1 Peter 4:16

Peter talks about suffering for being a follower of Jesus, a Christian, which is the generic term for the Jew and Gentile church. If everything Peter writes refers to all believers, then even if the audience were largely jewish by original conviction, it is addressed to believers in Christ, jews and gentiles.

Because of the fall of Jerusalem in AD70 and the church being spread because of this, as well as persecution which caused believers to go throughout the roman empire, the term scattered could well refer to these people who originated in Jerusalem and the first community they established their at Pentecost.

God bless you

 

[bbyrd009]

The body of Christ is never said to be priests.

we arent a kingdom of priests, you dont think? hmm

 

[DPMartin]

Sorry, but per God's Word, the 'Church' always ultimately mean's Christ's spiritual Church of Ephesians 2.

What you are referring to are simply 'men's organizations', as those are NOT the real Church.

The real Church is not any organization or building of men. The real Church is the congregation of The LORD, and you cannot change that.

so was Israel wasn't it. didn't God call them the children of Israel? what did Jesus find when He was with them? didn't John the Baptist tell them God can make sons of Abraham from a stone, because they though themselves entitled like the churches do today?

and in revelations the Lord has exceptions with, and warnings for the "Churches" didn't He? so no, church is and organization of people not necessarily the children of God because they are called the church or call themselves the church, even then. Israel was a nation (and organization of peoples) and the church is an organization of peoples not a nation with no worldly authority until given it by worldly authority.

the children are given the Life of Christ with the power to become sons of God, to have the same Life Jesus has in relationship to the Father through the Son, in sonship. guys like Peter and Paul were organizers and administrators of organizations known as churches to accommodate the needs of the ministry of Grace, but the "church" isn't the ministry of Grace, it accommodates it or at the least is suppose to.

the church here the church there is not an entitlement to Holy Spirit birth. the church doesn't save a soul, the bible doesn't save a soul, the Presence of God saves souls via the Word of God in the Presence of God (Holy Spirit).

 

[Doug]

If so, then why aren't you keeping to The Word of God as written? Did you ever bother to go back to the Old Testament Book of Hosea and read where Apostle Paul quoted from in Romans 9:25-26? Paul spoke that to believing Gentiles when he was captive in Rome. But that Hosea passage was originally written only to the northern ten tribes of Israel.

I meant to link this post in response:
NOT A PEOPLE

 

[theefaith]

The faithful are the royal priesthood but Christ is the high priest of the order of Melchisedec. so there must be low priests of the same order?

heb 8:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings andpriests: and we shall reign on the earth.

reign is reference to kingdom authority (keys) and power (bind loose) matt 16:18

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
you can have no unity of the spirit in obedience to the faith! Rom 1:5 eph 4:3

Matt 28 I am with you (the apostles)

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18

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Without a central authority there can be no unity of the spirit, no obedience to the faith!
God - Christ - Peter - the apostles - the apostles successors - the people

The nature of authority is hierarchy!

 

[Davy]

so was Israel wasn't it. didn't God call them the children of Israel? what did Jesus find when He was with them? didn't John the Baptist tell them God can make sons of Abraham from a stone, because they though themselves entitled like the churches do today?

and in revelations the Lord has exceptions with, and warnings for the "Churches" didn't He? so no, church is and organization of people not necessarily the children of God because they are called the church or call themselves the church, even then. Israel was a nation (and organization of peoples) and the church is an organization of peoples not a nation with no worldly authority until given it by worldly authority.

the children are given the Life of Christ with the power to become sons of God, to have the same Life Jesus has in relationship to the Father through the Son, in sonship. guys like Peter and Paul were organizers and administrators of organizations known as churches to accommodate the needs of the ministry of Grace, but the "church" isn't the ministry of Grace, it accommodates it or at the least is suppose to.

the church here the church there is not an entitlement to Holy Spirit birth. the church doesn't save a soul, the bible doesn't save a soul, the Presence of God saves souls via the Word of God in the Presence of God (Holy Spirit).

I was raised in a certain Protestant Christian denomination that claimed it was the true Church simply because of the organizational title they used. That's not Christ's true Church. Christ's true Church is sort of like the U.S. Constitutional declaration of who the real government is, i.e., the people. No organizational system by men can replace the true Church. So any argument about flesh birth being a qualification is just silliness also.