Was the death on the cross necessary?

[bbyrd009]

I feel ya bro! Lol.. Some folks just bring out the jerk in us. A few deserve it. Lol.

ah well yall have my permission to dog me on that stuff k

True. There are a few "Christians" who substitute their theories for Christianity. And you are right, the fact Christian faith goes beyond our personal convictions, that it is focused on Christ and not traditions, makes many uncomfortable.

hey, i was forty years a Mithraist myself; changing your mind is not easy

 

[bbyrd009]

None of your posts are on this topic. If you expect a response make an attempt to address directly what is posted.

no offense ok, but if i addressed that with the pertinent Scriptures you would prolly cry sir
No son of man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins, dies

 

[justbyfaith]

That the OP question was even asked and that the controversy over that question has gone on for fifteen pages indicates to me that there are unbelievers present.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

no offense ok, but if i addressed that with the pertinent Scriptures you would prolly cry sir
No son of man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins, dies

I can handle anything you have to offer my friend, are you quoting Ezk 18 as if it overthrows the eternal purpose of God as a direct contradiction??? Think again;
Isaiah 46:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

That the OP question was even asked and that the controversy over that question has gone on for fifteen pages indicates to me that there are unbelievers present.

It is indeed a strange thing that happens on message boards. We cannot see a persons heart, what motivates the posts but we can see the posts.
My children have explained to me that there are people who are known as internet TROLLS.
They just post to sow discord. Thankfully others see through their agenda.

 

[bbyrd009]

I can handle anything you have to offer my friend, are you quoting Ezk 18 as if it overthrows the eternal purpose of God as a direct contradiction??? Think again;
Isaiah 46:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

not sure your point there, sorry?
But i suggest that Jesus did not die for our sins, in the manner we are taught anyway
Bible Search: Jesus died for our sins

 

[John Caldwell]

ah well yall have my permission to dog me on that stuff k

hey, i was forty years a Mithraist myself; changing your mind is not easy

The issue is they need to desire to repent and turn from their religion and to Christ. This desire, I believe, comes from God Himself. Otherwise we are content in the humanistic philosophies we have created (or other men have handed down) because they make no demands of us and suit a worldly view. Until they accept God's revelation of Himself on God's terms, not theirs, they will never move spiritually.

 

[justbyfaith]

not sure your point there, sorry?
But i suggest that Jesus did not die for our sins, in the manner we are taught anyway
Bible Search: Jesus died for our sins

Jesus is not the Christ in your opinion?

Try a Bible Search on "Christ died for our sins."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 should come right up.

 

[bbyrd009]

The issue is they need to desire to repent and turn from their religion and to Christ. This desire, I believe, comes from God Himself. Otherwise we are content in the humanistic philosophies we have created (or other men have handed down) because they make no demands of us and suit a worldly view. Until they accept God's revelation of Himself on God's terms, not theirs, they will never move spiritually.

word

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus is not the Christ in your opinion?

well i guess the Caesars were, first, and the Pharaohs before them; "Christ, Messiah, Son of God, King of Kings, Lord of lords" these were all Caesar's titles. Of course we hear that diff than they would have, and place a special significance on the titles now, bc preachers, not realizing the blatant ripoff was for a reason i guess
Jesus of Nazareth
"John Doe from Nowhere"
I said "you are elohim"
Pick up your cross and follow Me

Try a Bible Search on "Christ died for our sins."

try changing your mind, imo; and see that maybe you cannot Quote
"Jesus died for our sins," not one single time, in the whole Bible, simply bc it is not true!
No son of man may die for another's sins

 

[bbyrd009]

Now, Jesus as my High Priest i am down with all day long, dont misunderstand me; but i bet even that is more Christ's office than Jesus'? dunno for sure, cant really check right now. Almost surely Christ

but imo the bottom line is, no, i will not worship Jesus, esp after He told me Whom to worship ("alone") already!

 

[justbyfaith]

try changing your mind, imo; and see that maybe you cannot Quote
"Jesus died for our sins,"

Jesus is the Christ, 1 John 5:1, and the Bible clearly tells us that Christ died for our sins.

You don't believe this, and you are not born of God.

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus is the Christ, 1 John 5:1, and the Bible clearly tells us that Christ died for our sins.

so whats wrong with that? i totally agree ok
Christ died when you killed Him

You don't believe this, and you are not born of God.

i believe it more than you do, nyah, bc i have a High Priest that i dont worship and you dont
hey, that was cool, "dont and you dont"
narf
anyway, so there

you are a son of man too, elohim, and you should not have condemnation in you right